HPV Vaccine

SIMPLE ... EVERY WOMAN SHOULD GET THE HPV VACCINE!!! MANY SCHOOL SYSTEMS EVEN NOW REQUIRE IT FOR ENTRY INTO VARIOUS GRADES FROM 7TH AND UP, DEPENDING ON THE SYSTEM!

REPEAT ... GET THE VACCINE!

HAD SEX ALREADY? GET THE VACCINE!

BEEN DIAGNOSED BEFORE WITH HPV? GET THE VACCINE!

WANT TO LIVE? GET THE VACCINE!

(Note: While I emphasize the importance for women, guys within the eligible age range, won't kill you to get yours' either!)

Play safe!

SIMPLE ... EVERY WOMAN SHOULD GET THE HPV VACCINE!!! MANY SCHOOL SYSTEMS EVEN NOW REQUIRE IT FOR ENTRY INTO VARIOUS GRADES FROM 7TH AND UP, DEPENDING ON THE SYSTEM!

REPEAT ... GET THE VACCINE!

HAD SEX ALREADY? GET THE VACCINE!

BEEN DIAGNOSED BEFORE WITH HPV? GET THE VACCINE!

WANT TO LIVE? GET THE VACCINE!

(Note: While I emphasize the importance for women, guys within the eligible age range, won't kill you to get yours' either!

@beccarnmommy Whille I agree with your conclusion... I cant agree with much else you said. Schools require it?? Show me! Schools only care about publically COMMUNICABLE diseases!

And if someone already has HPV, its too late. The vaccine will NOT help them.

And of course boys should get the vaccine! Who wants to give their wife or GF a potentially deadly virus!?

There are a couple of commercials on TV that address this. I think they are very effective, especially when the 11 year old girl, who is now a woman with cervival cancer, looks at the camera and says “was there something that could you could have done? Mom? Dad?” I thought it was effective. Maybe they should have the same kind of ads for other diseases that people don’t like to vaccinate their kids for.

I tend to not believe the ads like the one you describe. They may say they are real people, but they are liars. The commercial is sponsored by drug companies and they lie. The people are actors even when they say they aren't.

DON'T READ INTO THIS. I am not saying the vaccine isn't helpful, but I object to how the information is portrayed.

I tend to not believe the ads like the one you describe. They may say they are real people, but they are liars. The commercial is sponsored by drug companies and they lie. The people are actors even when they say they aren't.

DON'T READ INTO THIS. I am not saying the vaccine isn't helpful, but I object to how the information is portrayed.

I was going to add that the commercial was sponsored by the drug company that makes the vaccine, but I didn’t since I didn’t post the ad.

Why do you object to how the information is being portrayed in the ad? I have no medical background at all, so I am curious to what you think about this ad.

I know the people in the ad are actors portraying real people, but that scenario of a woman, who now has cancer and is wondering why her parents never vaccinated her, seems accurate to me.

@SwitchableSusie You are so right!

Your not having posted the ad has nothing to do with the truth that a drug company or anyone else posted it with regard to people being actors.

I don't like scare tactics and questions like, "is there something you could have done, mom and dad," when the patient portrayed by the actor knows the answer to the question.

Besides, the parent may not have thought the vaccine was fully tested or safe especially since the woman is old enough to have been in the early phases of the vaccine use.

The vaccine protects against four of about 18 strains of HPV and has been licensed for only 12 years.

@SwitchableSusie re: advertising which I agree has been over the top at times for the vaccine, but, et. al. let's get the facts clear and straight ...

All 3 "major brand" HPV vaccines actually only protect against 2 types of HP Viruses, type 16 and type 18. HOWEVER.... Those TWO types account for over 70% of reported cervical cancers!

GARDISIL in particular has been approved to state that it is effective against type 6 and type 11, which are responsible for, I believe without checking around 90% of all recurring genital warts.

LAST POINT ... I do not know where the geniuses at the FDA had their heads when stating that the vaccines should not be administered to women over 26 "because they have probably had enough sex to have already encountered the virus". WHAAAAAAAAAAT???? Talk about assumptions in distorted thinking! GET THE VACCINE!!! End of story!

Play safe!

I mean these sort of advertisements make people uncomfortable which is a good thing if it leads to less people dying needlessly of cancer. I've heard that in some countries people object to the hpv-vaccine because of religious reasons, which is so fucking ridiculous. Because they fear that their daughters will become promiscuous if they are vaccinated against hpv. Even if that was true (which it obviously isn't) that sounds to me like they rather have a dead daughter then one that is promiscuous. Sorry I went of on a tangent there.

So 3 doses means like Meningitis you need to come back 2 weeks later or so? I don't mind. I just feel like it would be more effective to get them all in one appointment.

The reason for three separate appointments that are weeks apart is due to how the immune system works. The first dose is to sensitize the body, the second dose is for a stronger reaction of the immune system to produce antibodies and the third dose causes the body to develop the anamnestic antibody response to the antigen.

This is the same reason why the Hep B vaccine is given in three doses. For some people, the anamnestic response and sufficient titers isn't reached until a fourth dose.

@SwitchableSusie Oh that makes sense. Thank you!😃

The reason for three separate appointments that are weeks apart is due to how the immune system works. The first dose is to sensitize the body, the second dose is for a stronger reaction of the immune system and the third dose causes the body to develop the anamnestic response to the antigen.

What a pain in the ass. That is not just like getting a flu shot for sure.

What a pain in the ass. That is not just like getting a flu shot for sure.

That's because the flu shot is worthless so they don't even bother trying to get a really good immune response, while this at least has a good history of successful immunization.

I always have to chuckle at the "bottom third" (text on the bottom third of the TV screen) statement, "Real people, not actors." Gee whiz, are actors NOT "real people"? Besides, usually, they really ARE actors! I am SO tired of the loudmouthed anti-vaccines crowd. God only knows how many people they have killed with their baseless, science-less BS!

@Moppys_jalopy , “ what a pain in the ass “ Sorry but I would gladly take the 3 appts over what I am going thru right now and it will NEVER be completely over for me. Even if the cancer cells were successfully removed that still means many, many more re-checks and screening to go.

@TheDr I totally agree that some religious people still have their head in the sand (or perhaps up their own asses) and some still think putting their daughters on birth control will make them go out and have sex.

It's not even birth control in this example. I can sorta belive that some teens might refrain from sex because they fear pregnancy but I don't think the same goes for hpv

Even if it encouraged them to have sex earlier than they otherwise would, isn't it better that they be protected?

I am SO tired of the loudmouthed anti-vaccines crowd. God only knows how many people they have killed with their baseless, science-less BS!

There are definite risks with all vaccines and some people who are sensitive to infectious and immune insults may develop severe injury from vaccines.

Many people would rather play the odds against the disease than risk injury from vaccines. Several years ago when the swine flu/H1N1 was "popularized in the media," but never materialized in real life, a lot of people refused vaccination against the virus and preferred to risk getting swine flu, which very few people actually contracted, so I understand the reluctance of many people to get vaccinated. At the time, I recall many nurses and hospital personnel struck and picketed when they were told they had to be vaccinated. Eventaully the nurses and doctors won and were not vaccinated. In return for not being vaccinated, they had to wear masks at all times on the clinic floor during the flu season, which was a small reconciliation to those people. I would never try to convince anyone to do a prophylactic immune procedure.

@Moppys_jalopy , “ what a pain in the ass “ Sorry but I would gladly take the 3 appts over what I am going thru right now and it will NEVER be completely over for me. Even if the cancer cells were successfully removed that still means many, many more re-checks and screening to go.

Yes, I understand that, I was merely commenting that it isn't like getting a flu shot and takes multiple visits. It is definitely worth doing for a lady.

>I am SO tired of the loudmouthed anti-vaccines crowd. God only knows how many people they have killed >with their baseless, science-less BS!

Brought to you by the same people who recommended tobacco smoking in the 1950's, unless you had a really serious condition. Than you smoked menthols.

We like to think we live in an age of science. So did many before us. We are not the first, nor will we be the last. Hell look at global warming. Does the RF radiation from cell phones cause cancer? What about the magnetic fields from 60 cycle household current? Diesel fumes? The list goes on.

Some issues are just science, but a lot of them get political as unspeakably huge amounts of money get involved. To a large extent, sadly, science is political.

Ask a someone who would vote for Al Gore about global warming, now go ask someone who voted for Donald Trump. And both sides can point to "science" to support their claim. Hell it only took 40+ years to get tobacco on the shit list.

As I said before, in perhaps 30 years we will know if this vaccine was a step in the right direction or a horrible mistake, or something more likely, something in the middle.

@bridgette I am truly sorry for what you are going through, but to some extent that may be bluring your vision.

Think about this.

Would you stand in front of a someone with a gun if you had a relatively new and untested bullet proof vest on and encourage them to pull the trigger? Or do you think it would be safer to just avoid that entire scenario?

Perhaps instead of lamenting not having had vaccine that may or may not be effective in you, and may or may not have unintended side effects, if you really want to lament something, go right for the real root cause and lament putting the dick in you that carried the virus in the first place, or not using a rubber.

Both of these approaches have been time tested and work very well and as long as you are not allergic to the rubber, there are no medically negative side effects.

My dear nurse friends, do condoms prevent against HPV? I think not.

Perhaps instead of lamenting not having had vaccine that may or may not be effective in you, and may or may not have unintended side effects, if you really want to lament something, go right for the real root cause and lament putting the dick in you that carried the virus in the first place, or not using a rubber.

This happened decades ago and calling someone out for something they might have done differently is shortsighted. You owe her an apology.

@reggind , you are truly talking out of your ass on this one! Did you not recently TRY to chastise caresabouthealth for opining her views on something you claimed she should not have ?

Now let me enlighten you. Your comparrison is absolutely ridiculous! Do you even have a clue what a drug must go throught before making it on the market ? Especially a drug used on adolescents? It has been on the market for over a decade.

Have you been vaccinated against polio? Measles? Mumps? Etc? Were your parents? These were also relatively new drugs at one time too.

By the way , condoms do not prevent HPV, the virus can live on the scrotum and genitals and be passed partner to partner. It can also be passed orally and anally.

Now are you also toting abstinence? Be for real ! I take full responsibility and lay the blame on no one but myself. However I do wish I had gotten the vaccine. End of story.

I shared my story, in this thread as I also commented on prior, answering the original question which I did have my daughters vaccinated.

I am not looking for a pity party but if you read my response I urged people to do their own research from reputable sources.

Speaking of dicks .....

@bridgette I'm with you babe. Full support. What you said @reggind was despicable. She is fighting a battle and you have the nerve to say that and pull me down too. @Moppys_jalopy is right. Reggind you owe 2 ladies an apology especially to @bridgette who is amazing. We girls have each other's backs.

As I said, you are way to near to this to really see the root. Do you even know that strain of the virus you have? Is it definitely one of the ones the vaccine even addresses? And nothing is 100% safe but keeping rubber between the cock and your parts is helpful. Look up condoms and HPV, they are effective for the areas that are covered. Don't trust me, take it from the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/condomeffectiveness/latex.html

If you are lamenting getting HPV, lamenting the lack of getting the vaccine over not playing with the infected dick is like wishing your car had an airbag after an accident instead of wishing the accident could have been avoided in the first place.

FWIW I am indifferent to the vaccine. I am one of the ones who thinks the jury is still out on it.

BTW, regardless of how a drug is testes, the true test is time. And 12 years is not a lot of time especially for something that has political connotations.

I have a big problem with the studies and statistics.

What percentage of HPV exposure and/or infection actually turns into cancer?

High-risk HPVs cause several types of cancer. Cervical cancer: Virtually all cases of cervical cancer are caused by HPV, and just two HPV types, 16 and 18, are responsible for about 70% of all cases (7, 😎. Anal cancer: About 95% of anal cancers are caused by HPV. Most of these are caused by HPV type 16.

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But if the HPV doesn't go away on its own, it can cause changes in the cervix cells. ... There's no treatment for the types of HPV that cause changes in cervix cells, but most HPV infections go away without treatment.

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HPV may remain dormant (“hidden”) in the cervical cells for months or even many years. While dormant, the virus is inactive; it won't be detected by testing and will not spread or cause any problems. However, the infection may then “re-emerge,” perhaps due to changes in the body's immune system.

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Although cases of HPV are not formally reported in the United States, available data from the CDC indicate that at least 75 percent of the reproductive-age population has been exposed to the sexually transmitted HPV. Fifteen percent of Americans ages 15 to 49 are estimated to be infected.

The problem I have with the statistics when I searched the question, "What percentage of HPV exposure and/or infection actually converts to cancer" is NOBODY ANSWERS THAT QUESTION. They all cite the above statistics. Which does NOT answer the question. HPV can have severe consequences but it is NOT the ubiquitous problem some would like you to believe.

So now I ask, "how many people do you personally know that have cervical cancer?"

If you don't know anybody or just one person and fifteen percent of Americans ages 15 to 49 are estimated to be infected and 75% of the population has been exposed, it obviously isn't that big a problem in the population. It's only a problem if you are the unlucky one where the infection converts to cancer.

I know a lot of people like to read into things, so don't read into this. I am not saying not to get the vaccine. I am just cleaning up the statistics.

I wish that vaccine had been available when I was a girl.

@reggind

What is wrong with you? I mean really, what is misfiring in your brain that tells you it's a good idea to throw your hat in the ring over an issue you are indifferent to in such a crass way to someone whom is personally affected by said issue?

Anyway, your analogies are both dumb. Sex isn't a car accident or standing in front of a loaded gun. You're talking about an infection that 80% of sexually active people have and you don't even need to have sex to get. What your ass really needs to be lamenting is having zero tact and zero self-awareness.

Weren't you the joker t hat raised the issue about why we need mods or something like that a while back? Well. this is why. Somebody needs to delete your shit.