HPV Vaccine

You obviously don't understand the economics and politics of drug approval.

The economics are simple: The drug company spent a lot of $$ on R& D and FDA approval, and now they want to maximize their returns.

The politics are a bit different in the case of Gardisil. Much of the resistance is because of the perception of a tacit approval (or admission) of sexual activity when a girl receives it. If the sexual part of the equation were removed, I suspect the resistance would be MUCH less. After all, what could be bad about preventing [one or more causes of] cervical cancer?

Now that school is starting back, many children are required to be up-to-date on immunizations. The Centers for Disease Control is recommending that boys and girls, starting at 9-years-old, get the HVP vaccine. It stands for human papillomavirus.

Doctors say the vaccine is more effective the earlier it's given. According to the CDC, there are millions of new cases of human papillomavirus every year. It's important to know, HPV is not cancer, but it is related to a lot of cancers.

Well in germany many people already died from that injection so i dont recommend anyone to really get it

Well in germany many people already died from that injection so i dont recommend anyone to really get it

@DocV Really? Where is the reputable news source for this information? If 'many people" have died, wouldn't it be national news? World news? Wouldn't your entire country immediately STOP using it? Wouldn't there be billion dollar lawsuits? Wouldn't there be drug recalls?

Unless, of course its a conspiracy. The government... the media... the schools...the doctors... the drug companies... they, and their thousands of employees (many of whom are parents) are not only OK with covering this up, but they are OK with CHILDREN DYING!! Seriously??

Stop this anti-vax crap. Does everyone see how no kids get measles anymore? Mumps? Rhubella? Polio?? These things killed thousands or millions of children last century! You want to go back to that??

Apologize for the rant... I'm on a roll today!

Https://www.wsj.com/articles/less-than-half-of-u-s-teens-complete-hpv-vaccinations-1505141797

Doc made sure that my girls and myself as well as himself were vaccinated even though we were "too old" according to the national guidelines. None of us have HPV and he wanted to keep it that way. I'm thankful he felt as strongly about it as we did.

Just today one of my best friends called me crying because her husband has been diagnosed with cancer for the fourth time in the past ten years. This time he has been diagnosed with HPV.

It's my personal opinion that all of us should get vaccinated no matter how old we are. If you can prevent something you might as well do it.

Mashie

Bubster started to hit on an interesting though I had a while back. If you gave sugar pills to a large enough pool of people there is no doubt you would eventually run into a diabetic who would react badly to it. It is hard finding even a placebo that is safe for everybody. IMHO it is also way too early to call some things safe. In 30 years we will have a much better feel for the long term effects. And while I am not a UFO chaser, there are power blocks and big business who can buy a lot of science. I can supply you with audio clips of doctors encouraging people to smoke in the 1950's. Hell there was still contradictory research on that into the 1970's. Watch late night TV and hear all the lawyers ads for people who took last decades wonder drug.

You have to weigh the factors for yourself and make the best decision that you can.

... there are power blocks and big business who can buy a lot of science.

Well, @reggind , while that is true, I don't think vaccines are in the same boat as the next blood pressure or diabetes or pain killer or 'obesity' medicine out there. I don't have data, so I can absolutely be proved wrong with evidence, but I don't think any vaccine is a pharmaceutical company's cash cow. I also don't believe in the 'conspiracy' of vaccines due to the reason that 99% of conspiracies are utterly ridiculous! The amount of people that would have to be involved, their total lack of conscience, and willingness to hurt/kill their fellow man due to some payoff just defies logic. It would mean doctors, nurses, scientists, patients, statisticians, companies board of directors... ALL organizing to lie, disregarding any human compassion, and all in search of the almighty dollar, which when you consider the sheer NUMBER of people that would have to be involved, would be stretched pretty darn thin.

Doctors spent 8-12+ years beyond secondary school, delay their money-making chances, go way into debt, to devote themselves to helping people. I doubt many go into it just waiting for the opportunity to sell out to big pharma in a false study for a few $$$. If it never comes, boy was their plan a mistake and they wasted their lives!

Yes, big pharma has problems, and absolutely does some horrendous things - like that total dickhead that cornered the manufacturing market of a life saving drug and raised prices by 1000%!!! Capitalism, yes, but completely inhuman, immoral and unconscionable! And I just can't believe that that kind of total disregard for your fellow human beings is THAT prevalent in society. To maintain any faith in human society, I have to believe that he is, individually, just a total and complete dickhead!

I got both my son and daughter vaccinated. Men are much less affected by HPV and many never know they have it nor have any symptoms. But I'd never want to look at my 'future-maybe-to-be' daughter in law when my son accidentally gives her HPV which caused her cervical cancer and say 'oops!'

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No points for guessing where you and your girls got those vaccinations, Mashie!

Nick

Yes. My daughter was 15 I think. Military clinic.

I'm sure you are right Nicky. You know I never take shots in my arms unless I absolutely have to, not even sub-q's.

Mashie

We all got it in school when we were about 16, free from charge of course.

Parents had to sign a permission slip, but with it went a note that put the sentiment 'You're an idiot and an asshole and a BAD PARENT if you say no to this for no good reason' in a polite way.

That's funny JR. I wish more people would be that blunt. It would get the point across and I wouldn't seem like such a bitch sometimes, lol.

Mashie

@Mashie You a bitch???? I am shocked....

BTW, vaccines are profitable for the Pharma companies.... but that doesn't mean that they are selling them in callous disregard of the risks. I have a friend who spent her entire career as a Board Certified Pediatrician working on vaccine research for children and I know she didn't turn a blind eye to any untoward reactions... and she sure wasn't part of a conspiracy.

I know you take all your shots in the "bucket", Mashie, as do I. I keep all my travel inoculations up-to-date by going for boosters every six months. When they all expire at once, I get eight injections (four in each cheek) and sometimes can't sit down for a day or so, but I don't mind that. I only wish I could get them from you because I know it would turn us both on!

Nick

I'd heard too many stories from parents of it having adverse affects on their personality, so my ex and I agreed not to get it for my daughter or sons. If they are raised right by their mom they will not sleep around and get the virus in the first place. Given that I was my wife's first, and my sons and daughter are a mini-me of her personality, I doubt they'll have a problem.

Joe, your views on this topic is, and I'm sorry as I am not trying to come across as bitchy or condescending, but your thinking is very naive at best and very old fashioned. I just read an article the other day saying that 78 percent of Americans have had a one night stand. So to think, and or hope that your kids will only have one life partner is ridiculous. And you need to remember that just because your kids have only had one partner doesn't mean the partner they have picked has done the same.

At one point in this country Polio was all but eradicated. That isn't the case any more. Thanks to an idiot who published a paper on the dangers of vaccinations that claimed they caused Autisum, which was a complete lie. He lost his license because he basically single handedly created issues with our country and others.

As far as parenting goes again in my opinion you are being naive. No matter how good of a parent you try to be or think you are, if you do a good job at raising them you will have raised them to be independent thinkers, people who are good people, honest. But your views and your morals no matter how you raise them shy of being in a cult might not be theirs. And just because you all don't share the same morals doesn't make them bad people or you a bad parent. I personally think you are raising your kids to be failures in your eyes which isn't fair to them. I also know that you are raising petri dishes of germs for the rest of us which isn't fair nor is it doing the responsible thing for the community and the world in which you are raising them.

Mashie

Mashie, there's no way to say this without coming across as bitchy or condescending, people, listen to the real medical experts, get every vaccination you can, especially the shingles and pneumonia ones.

Amen to that brother. Thanks for the support Ford. You are such a good boy.

Mashie

@Mashie Thank you for stepping up with a dose of reality. To expect your children, and obviously their future partners to ALL BE VIRGINS and then get married and be happy with each other for 50+ years is downright ludicrous. That's rare enough for one couple these days, but ALL of these people being in the same family?? The odds are better that the Cubs will win 10 World Series in a row!

And vaccines now change personalities? Because some friend said they heard from someone that somewhere... Even IF someone noticed their child behaving differently, considering these vaccines are given at the end of adolescence, you don't think it's really PUBERTY that causes these personality changes?? I mean your kids are turning into adults - isn't that a BIG change in their lives??

As a parent you only have one chance to do this. And if you don't, because of some debunked piece of garbage hearsay paper from unscientific, unsubstantiated sources, I hope you don't have to watch your daughter or DIL get cervical cancer and have surgery, become sterile, or die. You will REALLY hate yourself then.

As with all vaccines that are ultimately approved, I think it is important to get it. Just my two cents.

Sorry to see it different from some of you.

My daugther won't get this vaccin, at least not until she decides that she needs it at majority. There are so many questions about effects and the recent found that the testing was not honest (prooven, not a rumor) doesn't make it difficult to decide.

In any case the HPV vaccin does NOT prevent from all risk even with the shot done the PAP is still recommanded. So there is no use in making people refusing this vaccin feel guilty.

My daugther won't get this vaccin, at least not until she decides that she needs it at majority. There are so many questions about effects and the recent found that the testing was not honest (prooven, not a rumor) doesn't make it difficult to decide.

In any case the HPV vaccin does NOT prevent from all risk even with the shot done the PAP is still recommanded. So there is no use in making people refusing this vaccin feel guilty.

@Anita_P "Proven"? Please post a link here with this scientifically proven and verified story that something was faked or dishonest. And what questions about the effect? Who has these questions, besides the anti-vax group's propaganda? We've had vaccines for 100 yrs, and hundreds of studies that SHOW the effects before it is FDA approved.

Waiting til you need the HPV vaccine is like a policeman waiting to put on a bullet proof vest until he needs it. By the time bullets are flying, it's too late. Any sexual contact (doesn't even have to be penetration), can spread this virus.

True, it does not prevent all risk. Nothing but living in a hazmat suit can do that. But if this vaccine could only help 1 in a billion people, the research wouldn't have been done and it wouldn't exist. It CAN prevent cancer in MANY people.

C'mon people! MODERN MEDICINE is WHY human life expectancy (and population) has risen dramatically over the last 200 years! Women generally don't die in childbirth, children don't die of measles, mumps, or diarrhea! Why do you want to turn your back and ignore the science that allowed you to be born in the first place!?!?

@Anita_P said

Sorry to see it different from some of you.

My daugther won't get this vaccin, at least not until she decides that she needs it at majority. There are so many questions about effects and the recent found that the testing was not honest (prooven, not a rumor) doesn't make it difficult to decide.

In any case the HPV vaccin does NOT prevent from all risk even with the shot done the PAP is still recommanded. So there is no use in making people refusing this vaccin feel guilty.

Proven? No. However, I think you'll find there is a great deal of unfounded rumour mongering and myth.

If you actually read around the subject, you'll tend to find the effects of this vaccine have been well studied. To show but three -

http://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f5906

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23027469

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26107345

Of course having the vaccine doesn't remove all risk, but the risks of the vaccine need to be weighed against the risks of not having it.

It wouldn't be a good idea to leave it too late either. See the posts from last year by @Amethyst and @RN1993 -

https://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;msg=744944

https://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;msg=744949

At some point my children wanted to go and play in the street but as a parent I loved them enough to not allow them to do so. As a parent I had to make choices for my children because they were not old enough to make the best choices for themselves. Getting your children vaccinated falls into the same category. No child wants to get a shot, but it is what's best for them and everyone else around them.

If my children got HPV, mumps, measles, or anything else in their lives when there was a vaccination to prevent it but I just chose not to give that to them, well, I would feel like a really bad parent and a real piece of shit. I don't think I would ever be able to forgive myself.

Parenting isn't easy ever. We as parents always have to make the hard decisions and do what is best for them whether they agree with you or not. Doing the right thing isn't always easy either, but sometimes it is what is needed and best. We make these decisions because we love them. Our kids depend on us to protect them. I sure wouldn't want to have to look at my child in the face and tell them that they have cancer because I made the decision to not vaccinate them when I had the chance to. No way in hell would I ever want to do that, no way in hell.

Mashie

I hear you Mashie!!!!!!

There it a comercial that is exactly like that

Randy

There is proof that these vaccines cause problems, such as autism, the same way there is proof the earth is flat. I mean, we're walking on flat ground, looks flat, doesn't it? Show me a peer reviewed and published paper and I'll listen.

I remember in the 60's, some politicians claimed that fluoride was a Communist conspiracy and voted to keep it out of their city's water supply.

... the same way there is proof the earth is flat. I mean, we're walking on flat ground, looks flat, doesn't it?

@JR3 LOL! Did you see the flat earth people all PROVING their theory because of the recent eclipse!! They had videos pointing out that with a light bulb as the sun, and a ping pong ball as the moon, that the shadow made from the moon on a further distant object (basketball earth) is ALWAYS LARGER than the object (moon) itself! So how come the eclipse path was only 73 miles wide?!?!? HHHmmmm???? All you Mr. Smarty Pants astronomists and astrophysicists!??!?!?

I believe it... I mean the sun is exactly like a light bulb and 93 million miles can be simulated in a basement

The scary part is these people not only can vote, but they can procreate!

I remember in the 60's, some politicians claimed that fluoride was a Communist conspiracy and voted to keep it out of their city's water supply.

@jimmyt44 Are you recalling the movie Dr Strangelove?? Although I don't doubt what you claim could have happened IRL.

"I can no longer sit back and allow ... the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids."

And perhaps the greatest line in movie history "Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"