I May Make Some Guys Angry

It’s a balance thing I suppose, I certainly believe that masturbation is wrong, at any age and so discouraging it by reducing the pleasure, and removing the sliding skin, whilst still leaving sufficient sensation to allow sex to be pleasurable is what I believe to be more gentlemanly and less animalistic

I do not think being just about able to feel it when having sex is more gentlemanly than a man who gets more pleasure. A lot of my friends like uncircumcised penises more than the circumcised ones, I really like playing with my husband's foreskin too. I like that it is all there.

I do not get why you do not like masturbation either, why is it wrong? What about if a man has not got any partner too? Do you really think men should not learn about what they like to feel? I do not think they would learn so much about their own bodies if they did not masturbate. I do not think it is healthy to just keep it all in either, ejaculating is good for men's health and I think penises have got to be used to keep working too. My husband is a gentleman and it does not mean he is an animal because he is not circumcised.

It’s a balance thing I suppose, I certainly believe that masturbation is wrong, at any age and so discouraging it by reducing the pleasure, and removing the sliding skin, whilst still leaving sufficient sensation to allow sex to be pleasurable is what I believe to be more gentlemanly and less animalistic

What's wrong with masturbation? It doesn't hurt anyone and feels great for the person or people doing it.

What do you mean "allowing sex to be more gentlemanly"?

Polite, gentlemanly sex may be fine for the first time a couple is together, but after that, and the woman doesn't feel like she is being raped, I love it when my husband and I fuck like farm animals. I actually DO NOT want him concentrating on me having my orgasm when we are fucking. I want him fucking me hard and wild and concentrating on HIS orgasm. I know I'll get mine. He doesn't have to be concerned about that. I know he isn't going to hurt me. I want him fucking me for all he is worth and having a great time. His having a great time will mean I am going to have a great time because all I need to be concerned about is MY orgasms and having a great time --- and that ISN'T being selfish. It is both people doing what they want or need to do to have a great time together.

I did codify my post by saying it was controversial, perchance what i should have made clearer is that it is my opinion, and that is formed from how i was raised and treated, i do not expect to impose my views on anyone, nor for everyone to to accept them as the final answer, however it is my opinion and i wanted to share it as this comunity has a wide and diverse range of interests that those outside of the fet life certainly can't comprehend, please accept that this is what i believe

I certainly believe that masturbation is wrong, at any age

That doesn't leave much leeway for circumstances beyond a person's ability to control. It also doesn't leave much leeway for practising the mechanics of simple sex either. My opinion would be that, if one isn't good or at least practised in masturbation, then the chances of being good at sex (gentlemanly or animalistic) with a partner, would tend to be less.

I did codify my post by saying it was controversial, perchance what i should have made clearer is that it is my opinion, and that is formed from how i was raised and treated, i do not expect to impose my views on anyone, nor for everyone to to accept them as the final answer, however it is my opinion and i wanted to share it as this comunity has a wide and diverse range of interests that those outside of the fet life certainly can't comprehend, please accept that this is what i believe

I don't think you offended anybody or pushed your beliefs on anyone.

I think those who responded felt if you lightened up an bit, YOU could have a better sexual time alone and with your partner.

@cutmedfanuk - it looks like you are new to zity.biz and you certainly did not offend me. You gave your beliefs - or reasons and a point of view that masturbation isn't a good thing. That's your belief - and thank you for giving us that bit of view of what you think. 😃 There are some of us - myself included, who think masturbation is a very good and healthy thing for a person to do. I do it often - and it is fun and give me pleasure and I love doing it.

I am going to believe - that you may hold to that belief as much as I am to mine, and more power to you. Just take what is written in reply to you - as suggestions as to how you might want to consider or reconsider your views.

All of what @SwitchableSusie said that lead up to this -

It is both people doing what they want or need to do to have a great time together.

Is something I strongly believe - you sound like you are a considerate lover and care about the other, but what she said is totally true. If you are with someone you care about - I would be willing to say that they want you to enjoy them and yourself as much as you want the same for them.

I really don't think you made anyone angry - 😃

I think it's been proven that masturbation does not cause blindness. And those who do "believe" that can be put in the same group as those who "believe" our 1969 Moon landing was faked. Otherwise I would like to see their empirical evidence.

I am circumcised but have been doing foreskin restoration using a DTR device. I have been able to restore enough foreskin to completely cover my cock while flaccid and it does make me more sensitive. I definitely feel those with their foreskin in tack have more sensations than those who do not. My advantage is being able to determine how much coverage I want. Some woman do not like the look of a lot of foreskin covering the penis so for me I am getting the best of both worlds.

OH for goodness sake. snipped, un-snipped! to jerk off or not to jerk off! Good God Almighty. I'm snipped, the only thing that grinds my grapes is that I think they cut a little too much skin off. Every time I get a hard on I can't blink! If the Good Lord didn't want us to masturbate then he would have made our arms shorter! Same reason we can't perform oral sex on ourselves. OH HELL! if we were able to lick our genitals no one would be getting married! As far as going blind.......I don't care if I do I do I DO go blind! ? and I have it on very good authority that's why the orgasm was created! So stupid people would know when to stop! ?

@ImDoug said

Seems to me like evolution elected to cover the glans for some reason . . . .

Evolution has left many useless remnants of anatomy that may have been valuable at some time, but not any longer. The foreskin seems to be one of them for humans. The foreskin has been around MUCH longer than humans, so to attribute the presence of the foreskin to be a beneficial piece of anatomy specifically for humans would be an error. It is quite obvious that BILLIONS of people have lived well and reproduced without foreskins being present.

The foreskin cold have been beneficial in helping to keep the penis clean prior to mating with the female in the course of evolution because for the last few hundred million years since the development of internal fertilization, there have not been antibiotics to take care of STIs and UTIs from bacteria that may have been picked up while the animal was lying on the ground sleeping or resting. Also remember that the human is the only primate that does not have a penis bone (the os penis) to aid with intromission. Mating/intercourse with most animals lasts LESS THAN ONE SECOND to a few seconds, so pleasure obviously was not a concern in evolution--fertilizing the female was.

See this on evolutionary remnants:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzIXF6zy7hg

Any one who has ran thru the sagebrush naked will be a big supporter of UN-circumcised.

Evolution has left many useless remnants of anatomy that may have been valuable at some time, but not any longer.

Tonsils were once thought to be useless organs, recent studies find that not so much. The appendix also has been considered a vestigial organ. But current research is challenging that assertion. There's a whole lot more evidence if you're interested.

Evolution via exaptation often grabs biological cast offs for, up to then, unheard of beneficial uses. Who can really say it's a relict to be unceremoniously tossed aside?

Those that try to change or control mother nature often lose in the long run via the rule of unintended consequences.

Susie said: Mating/intercourse with most animals lasts LESS THAN ONE SECOND to a few seconds, so pleasure obviously was not a concern in evolution--fertilizing the female was.

Aren't you glad we're special? 😎

Does our group have it's own evolutionary remnant?

Hmmmm "Joined 12 years ago" would seem to come close.

Suzie said: In my experience with boys and men from 15 to 60 ... there was no difference in how ... long it took them to have an orgasm and ejaculate ...

I don't accept that your criteria is the only or even the best criteria for evaluating the quality of the male orgasm and I described why in my post 84. Would most women prefer or accept limiting their sexual experience solely to their glans clitoris? Do some women enjoy stimulation to areas not just their glans clitoris? I'm taking a guess but would say of course there's at least some. Sure there are many who are completely statisfied with just a glans penis or glans clitoris orgasm. I may be going out on a limb here, but I don't think that would include you. So why are you so quick to withhold that pleasure from males?

You can't just go by anecdotal evidence from someone jerking off 100 guys or just getting an adult circumcision saying it's just as good and maybe even better. The proof lies in one's lifetime, a series of orgasms extending into senior years. What starts out as perfectly fine may not age as well. ED in 60+ year olds is more prevalent in the circumcised vs those not. But I've also said this before, given the sad state of SNF health care, it's best to go into a nursing home circumcised because it's likely you won't get the appropriate hygiene a foreskin requires.

ED in 60+ year olds is more prevalent in the circumcised vs those not.

Do you have a reference for this? Definitely not true in my case!

Me, neither!

ED in 60+ year olds is more prevalent in the circumcised vs those not.

I have heard/read so many different rationalisations for circumcision, social/medical/psychological/familial/sexual, but this particular reason is new to me. I have yet to encounter it anywhere so far.

I cannot figure out in what way a foreskin would or would not cause ED. My honest appraisal of the statement is that it simply sounds like scaremongering, that any and all wild or unsubstantiated statements are used when it comes to promoting and defending circumcision. And that naturally, those in favor will invariably believe it, whether based in fact and statistics or simply just something thrown out there because it sounds good.

Logically, outside of the Muslim/Jewish world and the US, that would mean that virtually the whole of the rest of the world should see high rates for ED in 60+ males, in every country.

This is something that would surely stand out and be noticed by the medical/scientific community.

So far as I know, this is definitely not the case.

Do you have a reference for this? Definitely not true in my case!

Of course your mileage may vary.

The research does assume that if you are taking an ED drug that you in fact have ED. That may not hold true for all. But at 4.53 the times the uncut, it's not reasonable that cohort predominates the sample. It is a statistically significant correlation.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130831161657/http://www.mensstudies.com/content/2772r13175400432/?p=a7068101fbdd48819f10dd04dc1e19fb&pi=4

I had no phimosis but quite a long prepuce. Plus, as a shower there was 1/2 inch foreskin overhang when flaccid.

After my circumcision (last october), wife says It's much better.

Honestly, I don't find much difference, except in handjobs, because I can't go all the way up without lube.

Wife says before circ "sometimes foreskin pinched her vagina walls when doggy style". Normally, my foreskin kept retracted in PIV, but in this position sometimes it moved. In fact, I remember her complaining and asking me to stop in this position. Then I retracted my foreskin and continued. But she didn't like at all the interrumptions.

I haven't found any similar comment.

I've to say this started many be a couple of years ago.

It's something "real" I mean (i.e. she says blowjobs are much better because now there isn't the bulge of the retracted foreskin and the thick frenulum, but these are more mind issues than physical ones).

Neither of us have much experience outside our relationship, so may be you have some idea if this was a real issue or more a emotional one.

By the way my actual circumcision is low and loose style (of course, in erection, 0 glans coverage).

Thanks for the anwers.

For BMJ. I think it's something the two of you have to work out between you. There is nothing wrong with being cut or not cut. I am not and I have tried holding the foreskin back to see how it feels that way. I liked the feeling of my bare glans sliding in and out but she did not. She said the knob rubbing against her vaginal wall was not pleasant for her so we did it the way she liked. I can't comment on blow jobs as she refused to do that.

As for hand jobs I much prefer the bare knob. When I was in my late 20s I got tired of the sensitivity of my bare knob. I knew from playing with other guys in my early teens that the cut guys had no issues with that and didn't mind having their bare, dry, glans rubbed until reaching a climax. Some even liked it rubbed quite hard and\or held tight while doing that. I reasoned that must be because their glans had been bare for years and was no longer sensitive to being touched. so I figured all I had to do was force myself to endure the bare knob experience until the sensitivity went away. I was lucky that my frenulum had disappeared long before then so I was able to pull my foreskin way back completely baring my glans and the inner foreskin is fully exposed along the whole length of the shaft. I cleaned it with rubbing alcohol which left it super clean and non sticky when dry so my fingers could slide over it easily. As the sensitivity went away it began to feel so good I rubbed it to ejaculation which felt wonderful. Ever since then I have preferred to masturbate by holding the foreskin back as tight as possible and dry rubbing every exposed bit of inner foreskin and glans. That was over 50 years ago and I have tried masturbating by rolling the foreskin only twice and didn't like it. Rubbing that dry, bare knob is the only way I will do it, which is the only thing I do now anyway as my wife want's nothing inside her and won't do it for me 😢 .

I tell you about this because I think if you keep trying you will eventually be able to dry rub your glans too. It's only been 5 months since you bared it so it's still not used to it yet, keep trying. 😃

For BMJ. I think it's something the two of you have to work out between you. ....I tell you about this because I think if you keep trying you will eventually be able to dry rub your glans too. It's only been 5 months since you bared it so it's still not used to it yet, keep trying. 😃

Interesting. You're right. I'm still adapting.... more than my wife !!

Before circ, sometmes I've played with the bare glans (with lube) but not inner skin. Because my frenulum and long foreskin, when retracted it stayed folded behind gland rims,, but couldn't go further. Inner skin wasn't exposed. And now, with low circ, not much inner skin left.

I also have problems with wife, not the same that yours. She likes very much PIV, although sometimes complains when I get mad specially in doggy style, (I'm 200lbs and she's barely 130, and I'm still regularly squatting +300 and bech pressing +200). But I get mad in doggy. Can't avoid it. The other problem is that she doesn't like handjobs. Fortunately, enjoy very much blowjobs, but that's not my fantasy. I have to wait to my next trip to practice your advice.

Thanks!!