I May Make Some Guys Angry

Why don't you like jerking off while lubricated?

The guys I've been with overwhelmingly liked to be jerked off wet.

As you've said a lot of times, you've had circumcised guys as jerk-off partners (high school, right?) and little or no experience with an unaltered penis.

When the penis hasn't been surgically altered, there is simply no need for added lubrication. If there is no natural need for lubrication, then boys will start masturbating without any. Then they probably end up finding applying additional lubrication to be messy and unusual, not something they are used to. So they keep on masturbating without lube, force of habit.

The time I had the revelation that you could put some kind of cream or lotion on your penis was when i was quite old sexually speaking. And frankly while there was a certain element of fun involved, it was also a whole bother cleaning up afterwards and moreover produced different physical sensations that were not as intense or as satisfying. I think the first time I did this was years after I met my gf (which was when I was already 21). It just never occurred to me before. And it's not as if I hadn't read dozens and dozens of erotic novels and manuals. I just never saw the need to do so or any additional benefits.

Of course the last is my personal take on the subject. In any case even when my gf and I engaged in petting and masturbating, neither of us gave a moment's thought to needing lubrication. There was just no need.

Don't you "jerk-off dry guys" like fucking a wet pussy?

Why don't you like jerking off while lubricated?

The guys I've been with overwhelmingly liked to be jerked off wet.

Exactly. If the point of masturbating is to simulate sex, then lubrication is a must.

Exactly. If the point of masturbating is to simulate sex, then lubrication is a must.

@KC_Patient Who said the point of masturbation is to simulate sex? The point is to get sexual pleasure. Your definition would mean that women should not use vibrators for masturbation because nothing on a mans or woman’s body can move like a vibrator.

Don't you "jerk-off dry guys" like fucking a wet pussy?

Why don't you like jerking off while lubricated?

@SwitchableSusie Yes because fucking a dry pussy would be painful and irritating to the skin of both parties. Obviously men who jerk off dry have figured out how to do it without ripping their skin off, circumcised or not. And its also a different feeling, and most people don’t just have sex in one position and vaginally. Different things lead to different sensations, which is why people like different positions, anal, oral, fingering, hands, etc.

And if I don’t need it why would I use it? No towel is going to really clean you up. Any silicone or oil based lube is going to need soap. And even KY will leave a ‘film’ unless hot water is used to rinse it away. Why bother? Although like I said, I do every now and then for a change...

Exactly. If the point of masturbating is to simulate sex, then lubrication is a must.

The point of masturbating is to have fun, to have sexual fun, to feel good.

Simulating sex is one possible thing to do, but there are so many other ways of approaching masturbation. It's not only pretend intercourse, it is often sexual sensation for the sake of the sensation itself.

Consider if masturbation were to simulate sex: men (or boys) would then need to move their hips as in intercourse, assume the same positions, have something to hold onto or look at. Clearly most of these things are not really feasible when masturbating. And moreover when boys first start masturbating, they hardly know anything about the physical, down-to-earth, nuts & bolts mechanics of sex. They haven't had any experience yet. And yet they still like masturbating ...

So, a long roundabout way of saying that you don't need lubrication to masturbate pleasantly

And if I may point out, one of the drawbacks of being circumcised.

I'm one of the uncut guys who masturbate dry (for 50+ years) and always have. Any added lubricant would be somewhere between unnecessary and annoying, just getting in the way, feeling weird, and lessening the exquisite hand/penis control I have. My foreskin (FS), to my mind, is the perfect fit. It goes from pulled all the way back down the shaft so it almost disappears to pushed all the way forward to completely cover my glans, with little if any redundancy. My masturbation method is to gently hold the foreskin and slide it up and down mostly along the shaft up to just over the glans corona edge and back. Occasionally I'll push it farther up or also occasionally gently stimulate the glans for some added intensity. The FS produces what I'd call a gliding friction over the shaft or glans, as opposed to a rubbing friction as if I just rubbed it with my fingers without foreskin sliding. I think that type of sliding vs rubbing friction is why, at least for me, it feels perfect to masturbate without lube.

If I want extra stimulation for some reason, not usually needed, I can gently pull and hold the FS down at the shaft base, and run my other hand over the shaft or glans without the FS moving, much like it would be done if I were circumcised. But even doing that briefly I have no need for lube. I'm just guessing, but if I were circumcised and did it that way all the time, I might decide to use lube, depending on the friction with my hand.

Having said that, the answer is yes I love to fuck a beautiful feeling wet pussy. Trying it dry would last about one single time as the dry on dry friction would make it either literally impossible or very uncomfortable. As others have noted, masturbation is a delightful separate sexual activity but it's not PIV.

Eric

Ahh Susie you just don't understand.

"Don't you "jerk-off dry guys" like fucking a wet pussy?

Why don't you like jerking off while lubricated?

The guys I've been with overwhelmingly liked to be jerked off wet."

A warm, wet pussy is the absolute best. I have had to teach a girl how to dry rub me then she is terrific but any way a girl wants to do it for me is fine with me. The feel of a girl's hand doing it can't be beat by anything I can do for myself. However when doing it myself , dry and skun back tight is the most fun I can have alone.

If I were to do you would you have me do it exactly the way you do it for yourself?

Susie says:

"I have jerked off cut and uncut guys and none of them preferred to be jerked off dry.

Cut or uncut, lube is good. It makes your hand wet and wild, more like my wet pussy."

This reminded me of when I was a preteen. I was introduced to masturbation at 10 by a cousin in NYC when we went there on vacation. I had to sleep with him and he showed me what to do. After getting home several of my friends used to get together to do it. We did each other in what was called a "circle jerk" and the intact guys like me simply got our foreskins slid up and down while the cut guys got their bare dry johnsons rubbed. I remember the first time I rubbed a cut guy and he didn't even flinch when I rubbed his glans. My glans was so sensitive I would have hit the ceiling if someone rubbed it like that. It was a real surprise to me. Now that I have been dry rubbing it bare for over 40 years I can't even think of doing it any other way. It ruins the feeling if I put any lube on it and doing it wet in the shower is no better and I certainly don't want to slide the foreskin up and down, that's almost like not even rubbing it. The feeling of a wool sock rubbing over my dry glans is really nice.

Have you ever tried rubbing your dry clit or cleaning it with rubbing alcohol before rubbing it? I have talked with a girl on another forum who joined me when she read about the alcohol and dry rubbing. She said she did the alcohol thing too and liked dry rubbing hers. Then she told me her brother used to snap her clit with a rubber band when they were kids so it was probably one tough little bugger.

The point of jerking it yourself is to get the release and relieve the blue balls. A couple minutes of intense pumping, eyes tightly shut with some thoughts of that slutty girl in accounting, and you're back to perusing the latest edition of Fish & Wildlife in no time.

Done in solo mode, agree with others lube is nice on occasion, but it leaves you sticky and in need of a shower. Generally not worth it when you can dry rub and clean up with bathroom tissue or hell, a fresh sock...

That said, if someone else is doing the heavy lifting (i.e. a massage "happy ending"), then lube is both essential to prevent chafing and exquisitely slick and vagina-like if she knows what she's doing. And the best ones always clean you up with a nice warm wash cloth, which is almost as good as the act itself.

Susie says:

Here's the observation: You uncircumcised guys who think you have such sensitive glans (for better or worse), much more so than circumcised guys are full of crap. You are all about the same.

I have related my experiences with the guys when I was a kid but I'd like to add my personal observations and opinions for you Susie. I don't think my glans is and better than a cut guys but I do feel they lose a lot of really good sensations due to the way doctors or whomever does the job do the trim. I know I get a lot of pleasure from the stretch sensitive inner foreskin which those cutters never seem to make any effort to preserve. The cut is usually high because that's about the only way they can do a baby. If the subject is older they don't usually get any information about different styles because they don't know any better and they just trust the doctor to "do it". I feel it's important to preserve as much inner foreskin as possible for the owners pleasure. After all isn't circumcision done for the owners pleasure? Of course it wasn't always that way. It began in the US as Dr. Kellogg's (of cereal fame) method of preventing masturbation in young boys ---- and girls but that didn't seem to get much traction. Maybe women of the 1800s were more interested in doing something hurtful/hateful to boys. I don't think it was very successful anyway as boys continued to masturbate or we wouldn't be talking about it now. The cut guys I associated with liked it every bit as much as I did in our mutual pumping sessions.

After I learned how to masturbate it was a lot of fun until the dry years slowly became the wet years and wet dreams began. When it was dry there was no mess to deal with when finished. I found that if I had the wet dream before going to sleep I hardly ever woke up with a mess on me and the bed. I began masturbating every night before I went to sleep and often my foreskin would get stuck behind the glans as the tip was a little tight. I could either try to slide a finger under it and pull it forward using my thumb and finger or just leave it there. If I decided the pain of pulling it forward was worse than the pain of leaving my very sensitive glans exposed it would usually be back in place when I awoke. However sometimes it was still fully exposed in the morning and I discovered I could touch it with minimal discomfort at that time. I also found it was fun to play with when it was dry and less sensitive. By sensitive I mean painful not sexually less sensitive because when the pain was gone touching it made me horny as hell. So right there I think I debunked the idea that I at least, think cut guys have less sexual pleasure. The pain we refer to as sensitivity when touched correlates more to the feeling you get when touching your finger under the torn off nail if you've ever had that happen. I got sick of that pain in my late 20s and decided to do something about it. We had no internet to go to for instructions so I was on my own. I reasoned that the cut guys had no pain because there glans had been exposed all their lives and getting rubbed against everything. Also they were dry so it didn't stick to whatever touched it. I figured I had to find a way to clean it well and dry it so my fingers could slide over it without sticking. We use rubbing alcohol to clean electronic stuff like that so I used that. It can't be bad for your skin, after all it IS rubbing alcohol. That was a great choice as the alcohol feels cold at first then it feels hot then it tingles. A great combination to make you horny so gently sliding fingers over it was fun. I kept that up as often as I had the chance and soon it was making me so horny I made more time to do it. It made me so horny I decided to force myself to masturbate dry. That was soooo good I have never wanted to masturbate any other way since desensitizing it. So I guess I have to say that a bare knob has really great sexual sensations but I wish the cut guys could also have the sensations produced by the inner foreskin being stretched. To me lube just dulls the experience of the feeling of fingers or cloth polishing my rocket. After I "desensitized" my glans I enjoy touching and rubbing it much more than before. My first experience pumping a cut guy was when I was the new guy in the group and we all went over to visit a sick pal. The others got his penis out and hard then we all lined up to take turns pumping him. At first I was careful not to rub his bare knob but I had noticed the others were not so I began to rub on it too. It felt strange to be rubbing a bare knob but he liked it just as well as I liked having mine done with the foreskin over it. He came in about the same time any of the rest of us did so I think you are right about there not being any difference.

Maybe women of the 1800s were more interested in doing something hurtful/hateful to boys

Maybe not only women, but also people struggling with their sense of sexuality, with their sense of moral rectitude and propriety. I'm certain that clergy fall under this last category. Those with a vow or expectation of celibacy even more. It could be a wonderful way of transferring guilt to other (younger and helpless) subjects and in doing so deal with their own sexual contradictions and sanctimonious behavior. It could have been a way of working things out by proxy.

Also consider: if they themselves were cut and so - in theory at least - punished for presumed future sexual misbehavior, it's not that easy to forego the pleasure of passing the punishment on to the next generation. That is another way of looking at the 'like father, like son' argument in favor of circumcision. It could very well be more like 'if I got a raw deal, then my male progeny will get it as well. A sort of 'school of hard knocks' philosophy: 'I got over it, so can my kid.'

AGracier: This is not directly related to circumcision, but I recall several mentions of behaviors and remarks from nuns about girls who were no longer virgins, or even married women who were giving birth ("you were not crying so much when he was over you") that arise from the will to punish them for sexual pleasure.

I feel bad for the girls who DID fall victim to his torture. I think the idea was to remove the hood so the clitoris would get the same desensitization as the boys glans and if there was still something left that might cover it such as inner lips or portions of outer lips that might close around it they would be trimmed to make sure the clit was fully exposed never to be protected again. That's pretty close to a form of FGM in my mind. I think we're reasonably sure it didn't stop boys from masturbating as they still got pleasure anyway but I do wonder how that would affect a girls pleasure. Of course there is a whole lot more to the clit than that little button which my wife does not have. I have never been able to find/feel/see any sort of clit on her. Thinking it was buried we asked her doctor to make a cut to find it inside there when she went back for some repairs to her vagina after childbirth since she would be numbed up for that. His reply was "we don't do that kind of stuff". However the clit is a large organ that has roots like a tooth running down both sides of the vulva so any manipulation of the sides or rubbing/licking of the vulva does a fantastic job. I can give her multiple leg shaking orgasms by rubbing, rolling the sides between my thumb and fingers and licking so I don't think his torture would have been too effective except psychologically. Some girls are so sensitive they don't like the button touched anyway.

Done in solo mode, agree with others lube is nice on occasion, but it leaves you sticky and in need of a shower.

You don't need a shower.

All you need is a sink and washcloth or paper towels.

You are going to wash you hands aren't you?

I never thought about there being a sensitivity difference. Since I have a loose circumcision I'm not sure which category I would fall in. Nonetheless, I can say this with certainty. I know the sensitivity of my glans and don't know the sensitivity of anybody else's whether circumcised or not. How can anyone declare one is more sensitive than the other?

How can anyone declare one is more sensitive than the other?

Usually this is done by comparing the reaction to physical stimuli. Subjects with different types of circumcision or not and then apply the same stimuli. Observe and also ask about the various experiences.

Naturally you have to take self reporting with a grain of salt. But even so, not being able to stand touching on the glans of an uncircumcised penis is obviously and clearly an indication of high sensitivity. Since circumcised men usually can stand rubbing and touching of their glans, it pretty well follows that the first is more sensitive than the latter.

Note that this may mean nothing when t comes to being sexually aroused, Arousal is mostly in the mind anyway.

I never thought about there being a sensitivity difference. Since I have a loose circumcision I'm not sure which category I would fall in. Nonetheless, I can say this with certainty. I know the sensitivity of my glans and don't know the sensitivity of anybody else's whether circumcised or not. How can anyone declare one is more sensitive than the other?

I grant you that sensation is largely subjective, but it stands to reason that if a man is uncircumcised, his glans is protected from constant friction with clothing. The lack of friction would undoubtedly result in the glans being more sensitive than a glans which is exposed and subjected to constant friction. It would be difficult to say whether a loose circumcision would lead to greater glans sensitivity than the glans of a very tightly circumcised penis.

Since circumcised men usually can stand rubbing and touching of their glans, it pretty well follows that the first is more sensitive than the latter.

Note that this may mean nothing when t comes to being sexually aroused, Arousal is mostly in the mind anyway.

I agree. I do not think the degree or sensitivity adversely impacts the quality of the stimulation. Also with the glans exposed in both directions of thrusting there may be some greater quality of stimulation from penetrative sex as well.

Just speaking for myself here, I'm intact and in the lifestyle-[swinger]- when a women gives me oral I get goose bumps and some have commented on it. It's not always but some women have great techniques but on the other hand I last at least as long or longer then average. This is the question what's average, normal? We will never agree what's best.

I'm really rushed right now---Holidays and that---but what an interesting thread. One I'll need to come back to and read through a bit more. I'll just say now that I am 42, and am glad that I was cut. I have no recollection of the procedure, so obviously whatever pain was involved had no lasting effect on me. As well, I kind of feel like it could be more hygenic, though I have nothing riht now to back that up. I have spina bifida, a disability that requires many patients to cath (though I do not). I feel like having a foreskin might make cathing problematic. But who knows.

I'll come back when I have more time.

I can only speak based on my own experience. When I was a teen/preteen a few of us guys used to get together on occasion to play with each other and ourselves. The first time I pumped a guy who was cut I was astounded that he didn't mind his glans being touched or rubbed. The surface of it seemed to be about as sensitive as my fingers. Now what I'm talking about is the type of sensitivity you have in a non sexual way. The pumping/rubbing had just as much effect sexually as doing the same to my uncut penis by rolling the foreskin over it with my fingers holding it tightly. I eventually got tired of having that painful sensitivity when being touched so I decided to do something about it. I figured I could replicate what the cut guys had by forcing myself to endure baring it and touching it until it was no longer painfully sensitive. Recalling the times when I used to masturbate at night to prevent wet dreams when my foreskin would get stuck behind the glans and I would leave it there and go to sleep. Usually it would be back in place in the morning but when it wasn't it was dry and much less sensitive. In fact it was even tolerable to touching and actually felt good touching my bare glans. I began by holding my foreskin back and cleaning the stickiness off using rubbing alcohol on a cotton ball. When it was dry I was able to slide my fingers over it smoothly with no sticking. Using a piece of soft flannel I was able to gently rub the whole exposed surface. That gave way to bare fingers on it and began to feel so good I was able to masturbate like that, so I had achieved the desired effect of being able to do it the way the cut guys did. I think we are talking about two different types of sensitivity, one is the painful touch and the other is the sexual arousal when the painful touch is eliminated. After I eliminated the painful touch part rubbing my bare glans became much more fun so I don't believe guys who have been cut have any less sexual enjoyment and may have more. I know I have never gone back to masturbating by rolling my foreskin up and down. The pleasure of dry rubbing my fully exposed penis is so great I don't want to allow my foreskin to interfere. However the rubbing and stretching of the inner foreskin provides a different type of pleasure that I never want to lose and most cut guys have lost that. I didn't get to have sex with my foreskin held back because my wife did not like the feeling of my bare glans rubbing in and out along her vaginal walls. However some girls say that's what they like so they prefer cut guys so everyone has their own preference.

This post doesn’t really make me angry as an uncut male I mean the whole point is sexual pleasure and what one person might enjoy another might not. Besides as long as the penis is getting some attention I mean who can complain right?

Angry?, why would I is no biggie.

I'm not circumcised and at this point in my life I kind of doubt that I'm more or less sensitive then someone who is. I'm pretty sure that when I was a kid I was more sensitive then my circumcised friends though. I would try doing things that my friends did when they masturbated and most of the time I wouldn't like it. I realize now that I didn't like how those things felt because I was too sensitive back then. I kind of thought I was a weirdo for a very long time until I realized we're all different and like different things.

I think that the sensitivity of a penis is no different then the sensitivity of any other part of our body. For someone who's circumsized the head will be rubbing against diapers and undies and everything else from the beginning and as a result should start losing some sensitivity. Not being circumsized your head is protected most of the time until you're older and should retain more sensitivity during those years. I think by the time we're adults our penises have all been used too many times for there to be any significant differences in how sensitive we are.

I personally don't think circumcision is a good thing for a couple reasons though. First off I couldn't handle being the one who said yes to cutting off part of my son's penis and second I think having a built in piece of skin that's purpose is to keep dirt out can't be a bad thing. With or without a foreskin we are all diligently keeping ourselves clean but why not have a little bit of extra protection.

Here’s my two cents on the cut/uncut discussion-debate.

First off, I personally am neutral on the issue. I was cut at birth with a low loose cut with frenulum intact. I have maybe a bit less than half inch of inside foreskin tissue just behind my corona and a small dollop of loose frenulum under my glans.

Regarding looks, I prefer the exposed glans. It’s much more sexually arousing just as the clitoris is sexually arousing. But in proper society - i.e. just walking around naked minding your own business - a covered glans is more polite in that it’s less sexually arousing than with the glans exposed. Just my opinion.

Regarding sensitivity, I believe there are considerable differences and preferences from man to man. The inner foreskin has many nerve endings that get removed with circumcision. However, many men report no difference in their orgasmic sensations. And the female OP on this thread reports anecdotal evidence that the time to ejaculate is essentially the same with her cut and uncut partners. She pines, “What’s the beef?”.

It’s hard for females to put themselves in the other’s shoes to understand any possible sensation differences to come with circumcision. One way to understand maybe is looking at how your genitals grew in the womb. Male and female genitalia grow from the same tissue in utero and thus male/female genital tissues/sensory nerves are analogous. So what males sense can be somewhat understood with the analogous female tissue.

The most obvious comparison is the analogous male glans vs the female clitoris but there’s more. There’s also the male scrotum vs the female labia major; penis shaft vs labia minor. The sensitive female vestibule tissue (inside the labia minor between the vaginal opening and the clitoris) is analogous to the male inside foreskin tissue with very similar nerve endings and sensations. So if you females want to experience what nerve sensations are lost with circumcisions they only need to touch themselves there.

Now back to my opinion. Everyone senses differently and gets to orgasm in different ways. Yes, cut and uncut both achieve satisfactory orgasm. And for some, their foreskins can legitimately be a nuisance. If you’re a slam-bang-thank-you-ma’am (this in not meant to demean those of this preference, just my characterization) kind of fucker, then you will not miss any foreskin sensations. Foreskin sensations would be insignificant against the more forceful thrusting.

However, if you are into soft touch arousal to slowly build to possibly a more intense orgasm you may become more attached to your foreskin and what sensations it can provide. For me, I savior that small bit of inside foreskin left and the loose frenulum for subtle sexual sensations I get. And going on age 68 (tomorrow) it helps me get the erection I need.

BTW, wife has promised me an especially intense orgasm as a birthday present tomorrow. I couldn’t think of anything else I needed. ☺

I am cut so I don't know any difference... but sometimes I wish I wasn't, I am really into natural ....

I haven't read through the entire comments here,but I do not agree with you.

I am uncircumcised and by observing other men definitely feel I'm more sensitive than circumcized men.

The foreskin covers glans and protects the nerve endings from sensations from rubbing with other objects, or body parts.

If I retract my foreskin, there is no way I can put my undies on. I would be screaming from the dry rubbing on the sensitive glans.

My views may be controversial too,

I was circumcised age 6 the predominant reason that I was to attend boarding school and it was recommended, also that my mother and grandmother approved, and that it would stop me playing with myself, there is a lot more to the background but that’s the basics,

Obviously as I was circumcised before puberty I cannot compare sexual activity before versus after, however I was aware of the difference, and the surgery together with the psychological aspects did indeed stop me from masturbating,

Although from my medical notes it is clear I had radical treatment designed to “reduce the hypersensitivity” the fact that circumcision reduces sensation is clear, and I believe a very good thing, yes you read that correctly, I agree that reducing the feelings a male experiences sexually by circumcising boys is the right thing to do, as well as all the other benefits, and I am glad it was done to me, and I believe it would be beneficial for a great many more lads

I agree that reducing the feelings a male experiences sexually by circumcising boys is the right thing to do, as well as all the other benefits, and I am glad it was done to me, and I believe it would be beneficial for a great many more lads

But I do not get why you think it is a good idea to circumcise boys to make them get less pleasure doing sexual things when they are older.

It’s a balance thing I suppose, I certainly believe that masturbation is wrong, at any age and so discouraging it by reducing the pleasure, and removing the sliding skin, whilst still leaving sufficient sensation to allow sex to be pleasurable is what I believe to be more gentlemanly and less animalistic

I certainly believe that masturbation is wrong, at any age and so discouraging it by reducing the pleasure, and removing the sliding skin, ... is what I believe to be more gentlemanly and less animalistic

This is an interesting personal hangup and unfortunate if made public policy given that the medical profession and psychologists agree that masturbation is part of a healthy sexual human being. Counseling may help you with this.