Forms for Schools, Summer Camps, and Pediatrics

I disagree that PE is intended to prepare students for the military.

It's been my theory for the last 40 years that the P.E. classes that I endured in high school WAS intended to prepare the boys for their inevitable military service. At least that is my theory -- without any proof. This was in the early to mid 1970's and the draft had just ended in '73. But our ex-military P.E. teachers still seemed to have it in their thick skulls that most of the boys were going to end up in the military. That explanation is really the only way I can make some sense of the way we were treated in class. Everything about the class clearly had a military feel to it.

Liquidsky: I was not referring specifically to the US, but to the general imposition, in the Western World, of compulsory physical education in schools. It seems to me it arose from a mixture of "hygienic" feelings (forcing people to do sport for their own good) and, for the boys, preparation to military service.

"Dear Parent or Guardian:

Each school district is mandated by law (section 904) to provide an examination by the school physician of those pupils whose

parents do not provide these reports from their family physician. Consequently, a parent does have the right to have their

child examined by either their own family physician (at their own cost) or by the school’s physician. Christopher LaPoint,

Physician’s Assistant, does all the physical exams that are done within the schoolsetting. Physicals are required by New York

State on all pupils attending grades Kindergarten, 2, 4, 7, and 10. Physicals are also required for any pupil playing sports,

for Special Education Students, for all referrals to the Committee on Special Education, for all CSE students who are having

a triennial evaluation, for all BOCES first year students who are attending the Health Occupations class, for all entrants from

out of state, for all new students attending our school (including Pre-Kindergarten students), and for those requiring working

papers.

During the required examination, the FNP checks the skin, eyes, nose, throat, heart, lungs, checks for structural deformities,

abdomen, and external genitalia (all males). This examination does not include a vaginal exam nor a breast exam. Height,

weight, BMI, blood pressure, pulse, vision, and hearing are done by the school nurse prior to the physical exam. A urine

check is also done on all athletes.

A parent has the right to be present for any physical examination given at the school. If a parent desires to be present, they

must notify the school nurse."

http://www.ekcsk12.org/cms/lib07/NY01913389/Centricity/Domain/209/Enrollment%20Packet.pdf

Vivian Bien: One wonders again why they need to examine male external genitalia, but not female. Is it because of risks of injuries during sports? Or because examining females would surely rouse the parents' anger?

It is the same case every time on these physicals for schools--the boys genitals get examined and the girls get off without having their vaginas inspected.

Oh c'mon. I've done literally hundreds of these exams for PE sports, camp or pre employment physicals and they're all lax. No examination of genitals in either sex.

Liquidsky: Do you think these forms are fake? They come from legit school or government organizations...

I simply don't know. I've sure seen a lot of them and few were concerned with genitals. Never in any form have a seen circumcision mentioned. That's totally ridiculous.

The one form with circumcision sounds fishy, but the other ones seem to come from legit government or school domains... So this means it does happen.

A similar thing occurred to me for a medical exam for joining the military - only males got their genitals examined (apparently a rule says you cannot join the military if you have only one testicle, believe it or not).

A similar thing occurred to me for a medical exam for joining the military - only males got their genitals examined (apparently a rule says you cannot join the military if you have only one testicle, believe it or not).

I guess that's like saying you lack Balls

I guess that's like saying you lack Balls

LOL Nice one, That Aussie.

While I think it is fair to have some medical checks before certain activities, personally I have always felt that any examination should be matched to the actual risks raised by the activity. For some things, asking a series of questions might be sufficient rather than subjecting people to unnecessarily intrusive inspections. I am glad Liquidsky agrees that noting circumcision status is unnecessary and excessive, as it seems to have nothing to do with camps, PE or whatever. It is surely none of a school's business.

PE in the USA is geared towards preparing students for the military? Oh, puhleeze. I was one of those kids who hated attending PE and took every opportunity I could to get excused. More often than not I ditched PE and I enlisted in The USAF practically right after High School. Maybe attending PE may have helped to some degree as I barely made minimum weight and had a tough time with PT because of it. I perservered and made it through BMT regardless. Physical fitness is just one component of being in the military and certainly important but there is so much more to it. It is about personal integrity, attention to detail, learning about respect, responsibility and so many more-personal attributes you don't learn from a half crazed gym teacher.

A similar thing occurred to me for a medical exam for joining the military - only males got their genitals examined (apparently a rule says you cannot join the military if you have only one testicle, believe it or not).

In historical terms, rejecting a recruit for physical deformities is a fairly recent development. Let's say that people with missing or deformed limbs or blind in one eye would be refused, or someone obviously suffering from some debilitating disease (syphilis, tuberculosis, goiters and other hideous outward afflictions) would never be taken. But even until the American Civil War, there are many proven cases of women joining up in the ranks of combat soldiers, so from that it's easy to deduce that physical requirements weren't examined very closely. If you looked reasonably fit, then off you went as cannon fodder or else a delusional but proud hero.

It's quite considerate that governments have become more discerning about whom they send off to fight and be killed - only the best for the battlefield! That is a recent, 20th century development.

Agracier: I think here the rationale is that they don't want to deal with a soldier rendered infertile by an accident on its single working testicle.

I think that, until recently, genitals, both male and female, were considered by medicine almost exclusively from the point of view of reproduction — thus rendering somebody infertile was considered horrible.

I think that, until recently, genitals, both male and female, were considered by medicine almost exclusively from the point of view of reproduction — thus rendering somebody infertile was considered horrible.

I'd say that governments wouldn't really care about the 'horrible' aspect. But not being able to make any more new little soldiers after your service, well, that was far worse for the Mother/Fatherland or la Patrie.

I'm certain that this concern was especially prevalent in France, which after the 1870 war against Prussia and allies, was worried about the population disparity between France and new Imperial Germany. After the Great War this concern was even more in the minds of (French/Belgian) statesmen. So large a proportion of young (fertile) Frenchmen were killed between 1914-1918 (50% males outright killed between ages of 21 and 30) that repopulating the country was a huge worry. It wasn't until 1953 that French population reached 1913 levels again.

So governments took measures to ensure increased fertility - subsidies and monthly payments to families with children on a per child basis (still exists in France/Belgium), restricting sale of contraceptives (which had previously been easily available). I would suppose that freeing up males with only one testicle from military service, would also have fallen under such steps to increase birthrates. A minor step perhaps, but all little bits help.

Docisin4u...

yes I did design the form. I decided since the guys were athletic and many of them worked out, and they were doing a job that was quite physical in nature... that they did need to have a physical. Many of the college age guys tend to put things like a physical exam off. So I made it a requirement and designed the form myself. They would either go to their own doctor or I would make an appointment with my personal doctor. and my personal doctor would not skip a beat! I even got to be in the room with a couple of them.

I even got to be in the room with a couple of them.

Ah, fun times for all! That's the privilege of being their employer.

That's hot, djboy. Would have enjoyed bein a fly on the wall during those exams.

I never had to have a physical for camp, just proof of immunization which we always had up to date.

I feel like it's a little too detailed, to be real.

The form for the New York State School district is correct. I graduated from the New York School District and I assure you and guarantee I had physicals from the school doctor. I don't remember the ones from 2nd grade or 4th grade...but I do remember the 7th grade physical which was in middle school an in 10th grade in High School. I don't remember my Mother or Father signing any documents...but perhaps when they registered me in school these are the documents they signed when I entered the 1st grade.

Girls were treated different then the boys. I only remember the boys would be called down to the nurses office. In middle school the doctor and his nurse would be standing behind a screen. We were called down by last names in groups of 10 boys at a time. When we entered the nurses office we were told to remove our shoes and pants and just keep our undies on and t-shirt. The school nurse had us stand on the scale and she took our weight and height and then she passed our paperwork to the nurse that took us behind the screen.

The doctor would be sitting on a stool and the nurse would be standing behind me or just to the side. He had us remove our shirt and listen to our heart and lungs. Looked into our throats...felt our neck and had us spread our arms. He told the nurse to remove our undies...and prepare for the genital exam. He place his rubber gloves on and she would take the fingers and place them underneath the waist band of our undies and bring them down to our knees. She would then have us spread our legs and hold our shoulders and hands behind our back and he would roll the stool over and feel the base of our dicks....palpate the shaft from the base to the tip. Have us turn our heads and cough. Then turn around, bend over...they would check our spine and then told to pull up our undies...get dressed and leave and go back to the class.

In 10th grade it was the same exact exam expect the doctor took out the tanner stage and measured our testicles and when we turned around and check our anus.

I went to high school in NYS and I recall being called to the nurses office in batches of perhaps 5. I recall stripping down to underthings, and the nurse taking vitals than being going back out and waiting for the doctor to call. The doctor would listen to your heart and lungs and reach in your underwear and do a quick hernia check and that was it. Sorry, no total groping of the penis, no looking at your ass, not really even much feeling of your balls except the hernia check. The whole thing took just a few minutes. Perhaps you went to a more erotic school than I did.

I didn't claim it was erotic and/or enjoyable. The physical was also completed rather quickly...I was just more detailed in my description of what happen 😃

I live in upstate New York and our physicals always included the stuff on that form. The weird thing is how it says males only for stuff.

This is the form on our school site

http://www.rcsdk12.org/site/handlers/filedownload.ashx?moduleinstanceid=631&dataid=30844&FileName=Health_Certificate_Appraisal_R06081%20%2006-24-09.doc

And this is the consent form that needs to be signed

http://www.rcsdk12.org/site/handlers/filedownload.ashx?moduleinstanceid=631&dataid=30944&FileName=Parent%20informed%20consent%20health%20exam.%202013-2014.doc

@CassieR How were your physicals in/for school? Did they really include an exam of breasts and vagina, and if yes how extensive?

Just curious, since there aren't so many non-fictional accounts of girls being examined like that in school physicals in the US.

CassieR,

Did you have one of these examinations or was it for a child of yours? That sounds really detailed, I would have loved to have a physical at a school like that.

Yea it did include that stuff but it was more just looking than anything else

CassieR, that's one serious parental waiver. I don't think I've ever seen anything like that.

That is quite an extensive exam form to be filled out that is amazing