Be carefull with large volume enemas

Emom, have you ever tried or thought of trying a relatively large (within your comfort tolerance) butt plug (I have one solid one that is very good at helping me retain), or inflatable catheter to help you hold? Or are you good enough at sphincter control that you don't want/need these? I'm with you in not liking cramps, but I do enjoy large long retentions of mild solutions like saline.

The solid large butt plug or inflatable catheter just help me hold longer, and I love the feelings of them filling my rectum while doing so. I take enough to be enjoyably filled so both my filling and retention can produce intense but comfortable distentions for me. I also like the idea of holding it as long as possible to not only enjoy the distention (I'm also a part-time submissive) but help it work best for cleaning. For some unknown reason, I'm just built in a way that big fillings and long retentions are the most pleasurable as opposed to multiple fillings.

Unfortunately I have a very sensitive anus and as much as I'd love to do them, I rarely do multiple fillings/releases so I don't irritate it too much and still enjoy it. Sometimes with a partner who wants to have fun with me as her sub, I'll occasionally let her fill me several times in a row, but my bottom has to be "in the fight mood" so I can enjoy her making me do multiple challenging enemas as she demands me to satisfy her while being full several times. I hope you keep enjoying yourself for a long time.

Eric

Emom--let me add to what I said a day ago. I think that having an enema should be a pleasurable experience. If you find that taking and holding a soap or other enema instead of plain water, which is all that I use, perhaps you should switch to plain water and multiple fillings. You will find that you can take more and hold it longer. Also, if you take more than one, perhaps two or three, or even more, you will clean yourself out better than if you use a single filling of soap, and it will be more enjoyable.

I have trouble keeping my sphincter closed and will leak even though I do not want to. A plain butt plug, regardless of its size ( I have gone as big as 1-3/4") may not hold the water back, so I use an inflatable butt plug and pump it up until it does not leak and has no danger of coming out. Give it a try.

hankb

I usually always do at least 4 quarts and try for 6 quarts. I can't always get to 6 quarts, but I usually try for this. I like the full feeling. Adding salt and/or soda does seem to help stop the frequent and lasting peeing after a large volume enema.

Bill

Four quarts is my minimum. I will go to six, even more, once in a while, depending on how I am feeling about it and how much time I have. My bag is a 4 qt, so I have to have a container of water handy to top it off after the bag is half-way empty. Alternatively, I have a 5 gallon camp shower bag on which I have made 2 qt increment calibration marks. When I use it, I do not have to worry about running out of water even if I do two or three enemas, which can be a nice way of doing things.

hankb

Going beyond "pleasantly full" is simply not a good idea.

These submissions have given me a lot of food for thought. Having been a fan of large volume enemas since my teens, I almost always take multiple four quart enemas without any ill effects. However, my most recent episode of self indulgence may have exceeded good sense. The other day I was rummaging around in my collection of tubes and hoses when I discovered a section of wash machine hose compete with brass coupling. Once attached to the threaded faucet on my basement deep sink, I forced the 3/8" connector from my fr32 colon tube to the open end.

I could hardly contain my excitement as I pulled down my underpants, stepped up on the step stool in front of the high sink tub, and perched myself over the towel covered rim. No doubt, I had set the flow both too hot & too high as I pushed the greased, spurting tube high into my bum. To be sure, it was the mother of all enemas. I must have infused five or more gallons high up into my colon as the water squirted in and gushed out into the sink. And while I did not experience any long term ill effects, I suffered from cramps, and dizziness for some time afterwards. So, I promised myself to be more cautious in the future.

. . . . I must have infused five or more gallons high up into my colon as the water squirted in and gushed out into the sink. . . . .

Surely a great exaggeration.

And after even one large retained enema (often plain water) or certainly multiple enemas, if you start feeling woozy, lightheaded, have altered vision or feel like you're about to pass out or have a seizure (some people get pre-seizure "auras"), stop the enema(s) and get some salt, salty food or salty liquid (what would that be?) into yourself. You may have over-diluted out a lot of your body's critical sodium (the Na in NaCl table salt) via your colon by absorbing water from the enema fluid. If it gets too low you can pass out or have seizures until it goes up again. If you do actually pass out and wake up again, after you clean yourself up and evacuate, go see your friendly personal or ER doctor right away so you can get your electrolytes checked.

Eric

I always use salt in my solution, even when I use baking soda I use salt also. 😃

The OP's axiom is timeless -- everything in moderation.

In the first enema from my new 4-qt silicone last week, I filled it to the top and kept my eye on the water level. I began a gradual fill and shut the clamp at about every liter to stretch, breathe, and rub. At approximately 2 liters, I paused to expel a good amount, though it all didn't leave. After a quick idle, I slowly took the rest of the bag comfortably and ended with a great release - probably 2.5L in me altogether; definitely more than I've been used to holding.

Later that same evening, I began another round of 4 qts. This time I was relaxed enough to turn my bathroom light off (no visual on the bag), lay back and fill by letting my body feel & determine when to stop. To my amazement, when I stopped and flipped the light back on, about 3/4 of the bag was gone. This time though, with that much more in me i took significantly less time holding it (while trying to keep my growing erection maintained). Still was able to get up and move easily but cautiously to the bowl -- and while seated, what a rush; releasing under me, raging erection in front, and a sense of relief everywhere else all at once! ?

After that, the final 1L seemed like an afterthought - an exquisite digestif!

My takeaway here is good; knowing that I apparently can take & hold upwards of a 3L fill, I'll keep myself trained to stay closer to 2L. Not trying to be a volume queen here. Sometimes less really is more!

An excellent night's sleep followed....

BTB,

Great description. I love the idea of turning off the lights, not seeing the bag, and letting the filling tell you when things are getting interesting. That's really elegant. I'm going up try that as soon as possible. Thanks,

Eric

Dick

Actually have hernia now, eventually need surgery. Not sure was from enemas, think hereditary, Dad had double. Now have diabetes drugs that solved constipation issues so few small herbal bulbs on occasion but love give large volume 2qt punishment enemas. Be careful know your own body.

The Modern Medical Counselor (c1952) states an enema can be anywhere from 2-4 quarts. An enema of less than a quart is described as a "small" enema and enemas of 4-quarts or more is described as a "large" enema. Four quart enemas are also mentioned in the book Back to Eden and mentions that this capacity can rarely be done on the first attempt and mentions to not worry if you are unable to take an entire 4-quart enema because of individual limits in colon capacity. Best rule of thumb is, if it hurts, stop!

Also, what I do if I am planning of taking several enemas of large volume I drink a couple of liters of Pedia Lyte over a period of 8-12 hours to help maintain my electrolytes.

I like to weigh on scales before, during and after receiving a squirt. Figuring just a tiny bit over 2 pounds per quart of enema will let you know what you are holding in there. If you gallon your gal, she will pick up 8.5 pounds. An when emptying she will lose a pound or more after all, and feel enlightened as well. With the extra weight in there, we need move about as safely as possible and appreciate those moments. (don't take them lightly)

~ Buster

Thank you buster for the insight and sharing your expirence

Being very cautious during a recent session an enema mate was able to slowly give fill me to 4 quarts without any problems. while enjoying the bliss of the 4 quarts i suggested to him to give a little bit more water with baking soda and salt at the end he got 6 quarts in and i was lucky enough to still be comfortable and no nausea it was a very slow fill and the expulsion was great.

I am on the other side of that coin. Typicly when Im taking a bag, it stops flowing. 1/2 way through, John, 49, New Hope, MN.

Large volume enemas will not give you a hernia. Let me repeat that statement, Large volume enemas will NOT give you a hernia. Hernias are caused by a weakness in the abdominal wall allowing a small section of colon to squeeze out and become pinched. If you are prone to hernias, the enema could contribute to it, but it is not the cause.

Any ideas on the relationship between diverticuli and large enemas?

Any ideas on the relationship between diverticuli and large enemas?

Probably not a good idea to push things if they're significant or you have diverticulitis (because they can break - bad news), but everything I've read indicates that they're most likely caused by a weak area and high peristaltic pressures. While I haven't seen it fully proven it's likely that a good diet for a softer stool is the best way to lower risks.

I was able to take nearly 5 quart a while back. I think the main help was the addition of a little wine to begin with, I think it relaxed my colon muscles as well as relaxed me. I also had a friend there for encouragement and some distraction from any discomfort. It was very good.

Whatever your condition(s), be modest in your volume adventures, at least to start with. If you ever start feeling sharp shooting pain(s), stop and evacuate and be cautious about approaching that volume the next time. I'm 65, have done enemas for 50+ years and never had a problem but once or twice over that time, did feel some sharp abdominal pain mid-enema so stopped immediately and emptied ASAP. So far, no injury. I routinely did 2-2.5 (drugstore bags) for decades and enjoyed them. I still do. Over a year or so of slowly reading and learning from Zity I gradually increased to where I can easily take 4 quarts of a benign solution and hold it enjoyably for 30-60 minutes. If I stop taking enemas for a few weeks, I have to build back up slowly from 2.5 to 4 q again. One single time as a cautious experiment I took 5 quarts after a couple of days of pleasant 4 quarters. 5 was interesting, felt definitely larger than 4 (pressure and distention) and I'm glad I did it, but probably won't do it again. 5 felt "massively comfortable" (my terms) but it also felt like any more would have started giving me warning pain so I won't exceed it and I really have no interest in doing 5 again.

These days, depending on my mood, need for an orgasm, general feeling of my abdomen and other things, I'll very enjoyably do 2-4 quarts. I'm not really a size queen/king, but due to a very sensitive LGI tract, I do enjoy large volumes with long retentions rather than several in a row. Having said that, bigger isn't always better, and I'm doing this for me only (until I find another partner) and not anyone's record book. I'm going to be around I hope for another couple of decades and I want the option of pleasant sexually stimulating enemas until my last week here.

Eric

Thanks Buster, and i want to add that very warm enema will encourage too much of a good thing. The warmth also encourages poor discharge and may need something cooler to get it all to fall out.

Lately i go for a temperature between 95 and 85 Fahrenheit and weigh before each purposeful treatment to be sure i am not retaining much over 2 cups. Water at sea level is 2.2 pounds, but less at higher altitudes. When i am showing yet more weight than before treatment, i know more encouragement is necessary. I am happy when i have lost at least half a pound.

~ Lzrd

Lzrd---Because water is a liquid, water does not change its density as you increase altitude. Only gasses change.

hankb

My normal limit of 2 quarts started around age 9 or 10. A few years later when my RN grandmother taught me at age 12 to do solo ememas she also told me not to exceed 2 quarts. However, at the time, the 2 quart limit may have been due to my age. Best I recall, my grandmother had three douche/enema bags. One of the three was a 3 quart pumpkin bag and it was off limits to my brother, sister, and me. My brother tested that limit around age 14 and got caught by grandma. She and her hairbrush had a nice long talk with his bare bottom. He couldn’t sit down for a day or so without saying “ouch” each time he would sit down. Over the years my limit has gone up to between 2.5 to 3.5 quarts. The upper limit of 3.5 quarts is rarely reached, just once in a while.

Lzrd - The weigh of one gallon of water is the same at 50,000 feet, as it is at sea level, unless the laws of physics have changed.

Rick6981 said

Lzrd - The weigh of one gallon of water is the same at 50,000 feet, as it is at sea level, unless the laws of physics have changed.

Actually, the weight of one gallon of water at 50,000 feet is NOT the same as at sea level.

The laws of physics have NOT changed. I no longer have my Halliday and Resnick, so I can't give you the equation, but things do weigh less at 50,000 feet than at sea level.

The farther you go from the center of the earth, the less things weigh.

Which is why you usually use the mass of an object in science. Mass doesn't change with the force of gravity. Outside of science most people use weight when they mean mass.

Which is why you usually use the mass of an object in science. Mass doesn't change with the force of gravity. Outside of science most people use weight when they mean mass.

Correct. And the English system of measure tends to compound this issue because a pound mass at the standard mean gravity at the Earth's surface is equivalent to a pound force. We use the term interchangeably.

OTOH, in the metric system mass is measured in grams. The acceleration of gravity in meters per second per second and the resulting force is measured in Newtons. Therefore, a given mass of water moved to 50,000 feet (15.24 kilometers) has the same mass regardless. However, the force (in Newton's) is less because the distance from the "gravity well" center of the earth is further than it is at the surface of the earth. The curvature of spacetime which we sense as gravity is greater at the Earth's surface than it is high up in the atmosphere.

Time is also "slower" at the earth's surface than at altitude and distance also changes though we are unable to perceive it because relativistic effects are so small compared to our macro perception of space and time.

Susie - Yes, there is a weight difference between 50,000 feet and sea level, but the difference is so small for 1 gallon of water that it’s not worth mentioning. The equation is:

g = G * m earth / (d earth)^2

The weight W, or gravitational force, is then just the mass of an object times the gravitational acceleration.

W = m * g

Since the gravitational constant (g) depends on the square of the distance from the center of the earth, the weight of an object decreases with altitude.

See:

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/wteq.html

I'm fairly certain most of us have seen this, but I'll add it anyway for your enjoyment, and apologies if this belongs somewhere else.

http://www.health-information-fitness.com/fourquart.html