Cramps

Seems in my case, cramps are directly proportional to how effective my enema is going to be.

Is it possible I've become strong enema tolerant.

Like @reddevil , I need a strong soapsud mixture of Ivory to induce moderate cramping (which I prefer) for a real good clean out. I recognize that I have become soap tolerant over the last few years.

From my experiences giving enemas the more cramping you feel the better the enemas are working.

For those who have done enemas for a long time you may need the enemas to be larger and a stronger solution for them to be effective.

@Moms Egirl

I was reading only today that a person can actually become enema dependent since the natural action of the nerves of the colon and anus are to induce the urge to expell our waste matter. It's a matter of conditioning according to what I read so it's possible to retrain those same nerves to hold back our waste. I don't know if this adequately answers your question and please bear in mind that I'm NOT a professional.

I've often read about becoming enema dependent.... while I'm very soap tolerant, I'm not enema dependent; meaning I can take an enema every day for a week and then stop - in a day or two I'm as regular as if I never took the previous enemas... So, my being soap tolerant means I need a very strong enema to induce strong cramps and a good clean out.. The only dependency I've had is simply I love taking enemas so much, that I take them..

@Warm_and_Soapy You're right. I am 100 percent dependent on enemas to make my bowels move as well as being soap dependent I doubt it will ever happen naturally again.

@Warm_and_Soapy You're right. I am 100 percent dependent on enemas to make my bowels move as well as being soap dependent I doubt it will ever happen naturally again.

@Moms_Egirl

While you might become more soap tolerant in that your colon might not react as strongly to the same concentration of soap over a period of time, it does not change the chemical reaction of the soap on the contents in your colon. The combination of the liquid (water) and the soap to dissolve the fecal matter (or lining in the colon) does not change just because the colon muscles aren't as reactive to the irritation caused by soap.

Of course, it beats the other end of the scale where you are having to inject yourself with an EPI pen and getting yourself to a hospital because you've developed an extreme allergic reaction to soap that is well beyond colitis and are trying to save your life from anaphylaxis.

Hi @Enema_Runner, at this point I'm thankful that the Ivory soap irritates my colon enough to have a good clean out. And yes, it's a whole lot better than having an allergic reaction to the soap!

There are two caveats, though. I can take harsh laxatives to move my bowels but I literally hate them!! They are unpredictible, give me bloating, pain and nausea. I will sometimes resort to using Miralax to soften the poop but it also causes nausea and bloating. (And enemas give instaneous relief!)

And, at almost 70 years old, the only way I can have sexual filfillment and achieve a climax is with a soapy, crampy enema.

So it truly is a double-edged sword. I know that I alone, am responsible for creating this dependency. Though it may not happen with anyone else, I just took too many enemas, too often in my life.

...I've revealed alot in this post. I just hope that I'm not judged but accepted for things being the way they are.

@Moms_Egirl I value the Zity community because in my experience folk here don’t tend to judge. We are all on the fringe of “normal” society which is what brought many of us here in the first place. I applaud you for knowing and embracing what works for you and for being kind enough to share that with us. I believe the term folk use is “You go, girl”.

@Moms_Egirl

I do like the effect of Ivory soap in my enemas, particularly the "just churning and dissolve and softening effects" that it creates. I have mixed up some very strong soapy solutions and gotten quite a kick out of them. My strongest ones are soap and glycerin. I can get deeply cleaned out through using them.

Sometimes, though, my deep cleaning with either a strong soapy enema solution or a strong soapy glycerin enema can have residual effects like gassiness although a good sequence of rinses with water or baking soda enemas can reduce the risk. Although I don't require an enema to get me off, they do add to the excitement and eroticism. And sometimes the combination of the rolling waves of contractions moving around a relatively large nozzle deeply inserted is enough to get me off with little additional stimulation. I really like the sensation of the softened clumps moving down through my descending colon and eventually through my rectum.

All this writing and thinking about soapy enemas got me into the mood for a nice full one. By keeping it moderately soapy, I realize that I don't really want an enema to be so soapy that I can't take most of it or all of it before the contractions really get so strong that it is a real struggle just to hold the volume in without a blowout. This one I took on all fours. It only got difficult to hold when I pulled myself to a vertical position and all the enema weight was pressing against the double balloon nozzle inserted and inflated inside me.

One other feature that I notice more in these soapy enemas is that the initial surge of the enema will trigger some initial contractions in my rectum that gives me a temporary sense of fullness lower down. But the other thing that seems more noticeable is when the muscles relax, there's a sudden shift and volume rush past the muscle contractions and around whatever contents are in my colon. This surging "up" my descending colon and into my transverse colon is almost as much as a turn on as the rushing enema and softened/dissolved solids of the release.

Nice and cleaned out with a baking soda rinse, though.

It's was comforting to learn that there are others like myself who look to cramps as an integral part of their current enema play.

Why is it that the very sensations that we feared & hated in our youth, at the hands of moms & grandmothers we now savor?

My most recent experience reflects this somewhat strange need. My wife had been away visiting family for an entire week, leaving me to indulge my desire for multiple, soapy enemas. It wasn't long before, I ended up with an upset bowel and sore anus signaling that I had had enough! Nevertheless, I decided a soothing, warm, tap water enema might ease my discomfort. At least that was my intent.

There I was the following night , standing naked in the shower filling my clear, four liter Klystra bag from the shower head from which it hung. Despite my earlier intention I found myself picking up the fresh Ivory soap bar from the ledge, thrusting into the open top bag, where I continued to twist and shake the soap in and around until the solution had turned from frothy white to a gray slippery suds that spilled over the top of the quickly filling syringe.

Then, inserting my favorite, black, six inch, flexible nozzle, I knelt down into the shower, with warm water cascading over my back as I released the clip sending a stream of hot, irritating soap suds deep up my already inflamed gut.

And, while I could not retain the entire amount, there was ample suds left in my colon to produce spasms of cramping pain that left me lying in pain on the shower floor, wondering....why do I need to feel like this????

@Electra "And, while I could not retain the entire amount, there was ample suds left in my colon to produce spasms of cramping pain that left me lying in pain on the shower floor, wondering....why do I need to feel like this????"

It's a question I've asked myself many times! I can relate to all you wrote so well.

Which cramps will be more effective and more long lasting: taking a soapy enema or swallowing a good dose castor oil?

Electra asked "why do I need to feel like this?" about cramps during an enema. I'll just reiterate what I said earlier here:

https://en.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;msg=1031580

You don't need to feel that way unless the actual cramping itself is 1) inherently enjoyable (e.g., masochism, D/s enema?) or 2) absolutely necessary for effective cleaning. Unless you have essentially a well-conducted clinical trial on yourself proving that significant or severe cramping actually has some beneficial effect on cleaning (which I seriously doubt), you don't need it. I've been taking enemas for >50 years and go out of my way to avoid cramping and any cleanout I've attempted still worked just fine.

Eric

I need the cramps for certain types of enema play. The cramps are trying to make me give up control of my bowels which I was bowel trained never to do.The person giving me my enema reps filling me to gain that control finally it happens I release my bowels copiously and my partner has completed their desire to control me. I am emotionally and physically drained after my expulsion. I have to be spoken to and held to assure me it's ok. This is one of many SCENARIO for my love of enemas

I need the cramps for certain types of enema play. The cramps are trying to make me give up control of my bowels which I was bowel trained never to do.The person giving me my enema reps filling me to gain that control finally it happens I release my bowels copiously and my partner has completed their desire to control me. I am emotionally and physically drained after my expulsion. I have to be spoken to and held to assure me it's ok. This is one of many SCENARIO for my love of enemas

Ginnie,

Makes good sense. If you enjoy the cramping, especially because it makes you feel controlled and your giver powerful and controlling, I might go for it as well. For me, with the right solutions, cramps pretty easily get so intense that I can't enjoy them and they get way past just my feeling submissive and controlled to being extremely uncomfortable or painful. So ginnie and others here may aim for this effect, but it's usually past submission and enjoyment for me. Have fun cramping!

Eric

Cramps are a must for me. It needs to hurt badly. I feel like every enema I take needs to feel like a punishment. I think it comes from my childhood. My dad's enemas were always very soapy. It seems like I got addicted to something I once thought horrible.

@may_the_lion, do you get your cramps from volume? From soapiness? From too cold or too hot? From the rate you take your enemas? Or do you like the cramps that come from a partner who administers to you?

@may_the_lion, do you get your cramps from volume? From soapiness? From too cold or too hot? From the rate you take your enemas? Or do you like the cramps that come from a partner who administers to you?

I prefer cramps from soap but volume can be fun too. I like fast enemas were the bag is held high. It's more fun when someone else gives them. I love it when someone forces make to accept the pain and I don't have much say in it.

I prefer cramps from soap but volume can be fun to....I love it when someone forces make to accept the pain and I don't have much say in it.

Haha agreed, the person can either be supportive and encouraging or other times fun to be little my reactions to cramps and fast filling. Don't be a baby it's only half the bag you can and will take the rest.

@may_the_lion Cramps are a must for me. It needs to hurt badly. I feel like every enema I take needs to feel like a punishment. I think it comes from my childhood. My dad's enemas were always very soapy. It seems like I got addicted to something I once thought horrible.

Wow! What you wrote is like a page right out my past - I've written elsewhere about my bulb enemas being made from allot of Ivory Snow dissolved in pot of heated water on the stove - so much so It was like getting a soap syrup suppository. It produce unbelievable cramps and clean out! I hated them when young, and then as adult that's what I seek. I was a poor eater and perhaps this was a way for my dad to take out frustration over that. Wonder if you father would stay in the bathroom with you while the enema worked, like mine did...

Cramps are a must for me. It needs to hurt badly. I feel like every enema I take needs to feel like a punishment. I think it comes from my childhood. My dad's enemas were always very soapy. It seems like I got addicted to something I once thought horrible.

May,

How do you mean? Bad cramps must be there for what exactly? To orgasm? To feel like it's a successful enema? To enjoy it? Thanks,

Eric

@may_the_lion, you sound like my "mirror image." I've given MANY enemas, and as a Dom, I love to give to someone who "fusses" "whimpers," has to be encouraged, told "it's time for your enema," made to "take it all so you can have a good enema," "forced," (in roleplay, no rape or harm here ever). I enjoy giving large, hot, soapy enemas to submissive women. I like to give to a woman who knows she "has to let me do it," and to a woman who loves them but won't admit it. I met with a woman years ago who needed that. First enema was usually pretty undramatic (smaller), second there was always a lot of begging, "I can't take any more," etc. We met quite a few times, but it was hard for both of us time wise and distance wise.

I also like to give in the opposite scenario--long, slow, gentle, erotic with her mastubating herself to climax as she fills. And I like to give when there is a genuine need. My favorite, though, is as you and @molliewhite have described.

Reciprocation is good, too. I enjoy receiving from a woman, especially if she is aroused by giving (and I don't mind the cramps). I think those of us who do enemas do them for multiple reasons (and some for only one reason), whether it's got an element of "re-living," as an expression of submission, anal eroticism, actual heed for cleansing, or just a desire to please our partner. I have never been able to fully analyze all this, but I have had multiple reasons for giving / receiving ever since I gave to my first girlfriend in high school, and since I began giving them to myself as either an early teen or preteen.