Bisacodyl added to large enema

I find that soaking in hot water doesn't work (I think bisacodyl might be sensitive to temperature), and grinding doesn't prove as effective as it should be. What REALLY works for me is putting the tablets in a bottle overnight (or longer) with a good squirt of Bronner's mint (I suppose another soap might work too). After a while the tablets break down to a very fine powder suspended in the soap.

I had a Clayton enema as prep for a colonoscopy and barium enema. I was already quite familiar with enemas having been giving them to myself for a number of years. The combination of bisacodyl and soap ensures a good cleanout. The balloon catheter and slightly larger than usual; volume of the enema makes it even more certain. I was given the plastic enema bag when I left the hospital that day and used it until it wore out.

I just tried this enema again, i really like it. 20 mg bisacodyl, 1 tbls Dr. Bronners peppermint, 5 pints of 112 degree water, 8 minutes to run it all in, hold for 5 minutes, nice manageable cramps. Does a great job of cleaning the colon, all expelled in 15 minutes, a rinse enema is very clear. I think this enema is best used, maybe every 6 weeks or so, do them too close together and my bowel is upset for a day.

@trw428

Good for you, having the gumption to try the Bisacodyl and soap enema. I do note you retain it for a relatively short time. I think this enema really takes longer than 5 minutes to reach it's full poo power, and for the cramping to spread all over your colon. To be really effective, I'd expect a minimum hold time of about 15 minutes, or more.

@ Sean,

ok, i will give it a try, obviously with a double balloon rectal catheter. I will also reduce the volume to 4 pints and change the soap to ivory. 15 minutes might be a little testy with 20 mg. bisacodyl

@trw428

You wrote "a little testy". Of course. That's exactly the point. In the solution, I've read the soap is included to bring the bisacodyl into better contact with your bowel wall, but the full effect takes a while to build. Bisacodyl, given rectally, doesn't really start to work for about 20 minutes. Consider, a Fleet Bisacodyl enema takes 15 or 20 minutes to act. Oh, you may well feel a burning sensation sooner, but it takes a while to really get the cramping going. And, that's what you really want... strong muscle cramps throughout your bowel.

You can get an idea of the cramping to be expected when this enema really gets going from the original patent, which includes a nozzle with inflatable retention balloon, but also a special harness designed to hold the recipient's butt cheeks together and prevent nozzle expulsion during retention. This implies that the urge may be strong enough to expel a balloon retention nozzle.

https://img.techpowerup.org/200529/clayton-harness.jpg

The recipient has the nozzle inserted and the retention harness applied and strapped tightly, compressing the butt cheeks, then the balloon is inflated to seal and the enema started. The recipient is moved through several positions while being filled to ensure the solution reaches all areas of the colon. Note that while there are many straps behind, there is but one in front, allowing very quick release at poo time.

I find that a pair of old slip joint pliers do a good enough job of crushing Bisacodyl tabs. Drop that in organic coffee while it is brewing and it's ready to go.

Dan

@Sean

ok, i tried the "clayton" enema again, 2 quarts soapy (ivory), and 20 mg of bisacodyl. I used a latex 250/250 double balloon rectal catheter, 5 pumps each balloon after wrapping a 12 foot piece of elastic bandage tight around my butt to simulate the "cheek squeezer". All in in 6 minutes, then 15 minutes retention time. Cramps came and went, and a strong urge feeling low in bowel. When i unwrapped the elastic bandage, i started to leak around the internal balloon. It didn't take long for every thing to be evacuated. i took a small water only enema to see how clear the return would be, very clear, indeed, so i suspect a full strength clayton enema would clean the colon quite well with just 1 enema. I will try this again and retain for 20-25 minutes.

If you want a real "kick-ass" enema with a lot of bisacodyl, soap, glycerine and peppermint extract that will require a balloon catheter to keep it inside your guts, you have to do Susie's Very Rough Ride Enema.

See the recipe here:

https://en.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;topic=102932

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TAKE THE CHALLENGE IF YOU DARE!

@ SwitchableSusie

I will pass on the dare, that enema is out of my league. My hat is off to you for giving that formulation a go, got to be gut wrenching!!

@trw428

Congratulations on your trial. Your idea for a cheek squeezer is clever. I would be inclined to use something like a gauze bandage that has less stretch.

Out of curiosity, do you think the cheek squeezer aids in holding the solution in you? Did you move into different positions once the solution was all in you?

It sure sounds like the Clayton solution really does clean someone out well with a single enema.

I can but wonder how any patients would opt for such a prep as an alternative to the fasting, Dulcolax pills, and gallon of GoLytely used for a more traditional pre-exam prep.

It would likely not be popular with the medical profession, because of the nurse time required, compared to just handing the person a 'script for the laxatives.

I’ve tried half a dozen of the suppos melted in 3 quarts or so of warm water and ended up in the bathroom off and on all night. If you enjoy being doubled-over with cramps and seeing stars I guess it’s fun, but I probably won’t repeat this soon. It may have been particularly harsh because of a similar volume of soap suds before that. I’m not in a hurry to find out what the “extremely rough ride” feels like...I’m personally more into the sensations from larger volumes and depth play with some cramping vs lower volume with very intense cramping.

I’d say start with 1-2 suppos to get a feel for what it’s like before moving up in dosage or mixing with other things, especially peppermint soap!

I’ve tried half a dozen of the suppos melted in 3 quarts or so of warm water and ended up in the bathroom off and on all night. If you enjoy being doubled-over with cramps and seeing stars I guess it’s fun, but I probably won’t repeat this soon. It may have been particularly harsh because of a similar volume of soap suds before that. I’m not in a hurry to find out what the “extremely rough ride” feels like...I’m personally more into the sensations from larger volumes and depth play with some cramping vs lower volume with very intense cramping.

I’d say start with 1-2 suppos to get a feel for what it’s like before moving up in dosage or mixing with other things, especially peppermint soap!

BE A MAN.

You have to try it.

BTW, You forgot the 16 ounces of glycerine in Susie's Very Rough Ride enema. 😎

@wutdis

"Half a dozen suppositories" is a significant overdose. Two Magic Bullets in a couple of quarts of warm water is plenty to clean someone out. Usually, even one dissolved in a bag has a lot of poo power, if retained for a few minutes. You don't need more.

You must keep your objective in mind. There are plenty of things that can make someone miserable, but are you really trying to punish yourself?

YMMV

@Sean said

"Half a dozen suppositories" is a significant overdose. Two Magic Bullets in a couple of quarts of warm water is plenty to clean someone out. Usually, even one dissolved in a bag has a lot of poo power, if retained for a few minutes. You don't need more.

You must keep your objective in mind. There are plenty of things that can make someone miserable, but are you really trying to punish yourself?

YMMV

Susie's Very Rough Ride Enema recipe uses six Magic Bullet Suppositories---60 mg bisacodyl in roughly 72 ounces of solution.

It gives a strong reaction but you can't call it an overdose. You get a very strong urge to shit/push for several hours even after you are empty.

@Sean

My improvised "cheek squeezer " seemed to offer a degree of additional security. It may not help keeping solution in, but it goes a long ways it keeping the balloon in your rectum. When if first got a double balloon rectal catheter, i only pumped it up with 3, maybe 4 pumps, and had a few expel, big mess every time. That's why i use 5 pumps now, stays in place even during a big sneeze!! I did roll around after all the solution was in, cramps after every turn. 20 mg is not a killer amount of bisacodyl, can't imagine the 60 mg. in Susie's rough ride, i tried 40 mg. one time, never again. Need to work on how you wrap the elastic bandage around your butt, do it wrong, doesn't work very well and impedes moving around.

@trw428

Thank you. Your idea for the cheek squeezer is very clever as I said before. It's clear that the balloon inside and the cheek squeezer are designed to work together to ensure retention. As the water pressure is applied to the balloon, it tends to be squeezed out of one's anus, dilating the anal ring. The cheek squeezer helps hold the ring closed. My guess is that one has to be strapped in pretty tight for best effect.

I'm actually not certain that the outer balloon helps that much. In fact, it may make retention more difficult because the cheek squeezer may not fully hold you closed. In fact, the original Clayton patent uses only a single balloon on the inside.

Also, I would consider filling the balloon with warm water, rather than air. IMO, water filled catheter balloons retain better than air filled ones.

I'm not in the least surprised you got cramps after each turn. The purpose of the turns is to bring the laxative solution in contact with new areas of the your colon. I'd take the cramps as a sign the enema is actually working as intended. You want every area to be stimulated for best cleansing effect.

All in all, it sounds like this procedure is very, very effective, without being brutal.

I am a huge fan of doing things the easy way.

The best way to add Bisacodyl to an enema is to buy the bisacodyl mini enema. After you are in position, but before you insert the main enema. Take that bisacodyl mini-enema out of the package, shake it up well, THEN pull the shield and use it just like you would a Fleet enema. Difference being that you can proceed with the regular enema after a wait of as little as 10 minutes before insertion. Do not "go" in between, even if it now feels like you can.

I also take a high dose of oral bisacodyl about 2 hours before starting the enema.

I fast as long as is practical. At least 8 hours, 12+ if at all possible.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU EVER RESORT TO FORCED VOMITING !!!!!

The best way to add Bisacodyl to an enema is to buy the bisacodyl mini enema. After you are in position, but before you insert the main enema. Take that bisacodyl mini-enema out of the package, shake it up well, THEN pull the shield and use it just like you would a Fleet enema. Difference being that you can proceed with the regular enema after a wait of as little as 10 minutes before insertion. Do not "go" in between, even if it now feels like you can.

The Bisacodyl mini enemas can be difficult to find. I've found what works great for me is dissolving 1.5 Magic Bullets in a small amount of very warm water and injecting it with a bulb syringe. Then I proceed to prepare a warm castile soap enema with about 1 fluid ounce of Dr. Bronner's in 3 qts of water. By the time the SSE is ready, I'm usually having urges to "go" from the bisacodyl; if not, I wait until I do. I then take the SSE and hold for as long as possible while massaging my sides and abdomen. Provides VERY strong but manageable urges to expel and an extremely thorough cleanout. I have tried adding bisacodyl to the enema but I think this either dilutes it too much to have a great effect or there's just not enough time for it to really kick in.

I really enjoy an enema which ha bisacodyl as one of its ingredients. The problem has always been obtaining th bisacodyl. Years ago you coud fin a bisacodyl solution to add to an enema but it was difficult to find. Bisacodyl suppositories on the other hand were always readily available (Good old Ducalax!) But a suppository just doesn't do to the entire large intestine what a soap/Bisacocdyl solution does! My solution? Take a suppository and put it in half a cup of very hot water that already contains the soap for your enema. ( I like about one and a half teaspoons of Dr. Bonner's castile myself. Nearly fill the fountain syringe bag with water at the temperature you prefer( I like about 105 F.) and add the bisacodyl/soap solution. Mix well. The result is an enema which has the extra kick of the bisacodyl added to the effect of the soap.

Herrdoktor, trying to dissolve the suppository in hot soapy water does kind of work, but I find it a bit of trouble and you still sometimes have the suppository base coating your enema stuff.

I do two approaches: one is to soak some bisacodyl pills in Bronner's soap for a day and they break down very nicely and can be added to the bag. The second approach is to take one or two bisacodyl suppositories and insert them. Then mix up a nice warm enema of about 105F and then the soapy water flowing through your rectum melts and mixes up the suppository while you take the enema.

Tried a new approach to the bisacodyl enema, 4 5mg tabs bisacodyl, 2 tbls water, 1/4 tsp baking soda , stirred for 3 minutes. that took the coating off , then 1 tsp castile soap added and stirred for 2 days. Take this mixture and pour it into an open top bag, have the hose and nozzle (i use 250/250 DBRC), clamp installed. The mixture will fill the tubing, then fill the bag with how much solution you want, i use 2 1/2 quarts of ivory soap water. Insert nozzle and start the enema, the entire dose of bisacodyl is in the bowel at the start of the enema. After 15 minutes of enema and retention, the cramps are there. This enema is a very cleansing enema, allbeit crampy. I took a 3 quart saline rinse enema afterwards, it was remarkably clear, but i had the "bisacodyl tummy" for the next 3 hours. The reason this enema is hard to take is the entire dose of bisacodyl is in at the start of the enema, no idea on the mixing fluid dynamics, but after 15 minutes, you know it's there.

I took 3 magic bullets last weekend and waited 5mins before taking 3qts of hot water and Dr Bronners Lavender soap with my tulip nozzle. I about didnt make it the 10mins hold time!!!! Took a 3qt colon tube cool rinse afterwards. Still had strong urges an hour later!!

Can anyone advise me on measurements, a lot of you are quoting ounces of ingredients, while everything here is sold in ML

Can anyone advise me on measurements, a lot of you are quoting ounces of ingredients, while everything here is sold in ML

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I have combined a cup of almost boiling water (stove, microwave, coffee/tea pot) and 2 or 3 Magic Bullet [more?] suppositories. Let stand to dissolve and cool to body temperature, then add to your planned solution. VERY effective!

Can anyone advise me on measurements, a lot of you are quoting ounces of ingredients, while everything here is sold in ML

Enemas can be pretty sloppy as far as tolerances. I'd stick with mg for mg with the bisacodyl, but for everything else you can use rough approximations. A liter is close enough to a quart, 5mL is a teaspoon, 15 mL is a tablespoon.

Wish we'd get off of this customary nonsense. Any system where you have to figure out which of 3 completely different ounces is appropriate ... well, the thing speaks for itself.

@ paula

Taking 30 mg bisacodyl with a 3 quart soapy water enema without a double balloon catheter, you are one brave soul!!!

Paula, I cannot imagine the urge after 3 magic bullets let alone with the large volume enema.

Trw428 and Jimmy 1, not a brave soul, JUST TIGHT!!! LMAO!!! And yes, the urge was something to not be reckoned with again!!!!