How Much Soap is Too Much

Bronners is the choice I have made. One capful per quart. Seems to have the desired affect. Sometimes add some glycerine. It’s a tough enema to hold but a good cleanout. How much do you use?

I'm very sensitive to chemical irritation and cramping, so I need to carefully measure my Castile soap, usually keeping it to 1-1.5 tsp/ quart. It sounds like that's about what you use by utilizing the cap. it gives me a very slight irritation/stimulation that I enjoy and occasionally some cramping. Like you, occasionally I add low dose glycerin as well, 5-8%. 10% one time was too irritating for me.

Eric

Funny, and I wish I could be more original, but the Dr Bronners dilution rate I use on myself and others is just about the same; I measure out 1-tsp per quart. That dilution rate seems to be perfect—helps prevent cramping, gives a reasonable urgency to go (creating mild pressure on the prostate), and just plain smells nice. I like the Peppermint Castile flavor the best.

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I'd like the answer to this question. I enjoy cramping. Some individuals like to spank themselves to make up for any transgressions that they may have committed. I can't do that because of noise issues; therefore, I take most of my enemas as punishment enemas.

Yesterday I took 3/4 of an Ivory bath sized bar of soap and grated it with a fine rotary grater and put the grinds into a one liter measuring cup. I live in a travel trailer and there is no control over how hot the water is that comes out of the hot water faucet. I did measure it with a thermometer, and it comes out at about 150° F. I ran the hot water until it was at that temperature and filled the liter measure to the one quart line. Using a rubber spatula I stirred the contents until the soap was all turned into liquid. I then poured the contents into a recycled heavy gallon sized container. I then added two more quarts of cool water. This morning the liquid was quite thick. I then took two cups of the soap and added two room temperature (about 70° F) into a one liter container that is marked in quarts and liters. I then added enough water and two teaspoons of salt to make two quarts of enema solution. That gave a lovely enema with lots of cramps. That amount of soap equaled approximately 1/6 of the Ivory bar if my arithmatic is correct. I have heard some people say that they use 1/4 of a bar to two quarts of water.

Are there any MD's, nurses or others that can answer this question with lerned knowledge?

I also use two or three tablespoons of Dr. Bronner's liquid Peppermint soap in three quarts of water. Is this amount too much for the intestines to bear?

Soap can get to be caustic at a certain point and it will attack the lining of your intestines so be careful. I like giving a soapy enema myself but stay safe.

EnemaGuy4344,

Funny, and I wish I could be more original, but the Dr Bronners dilution rate I use on myself and others is just about the same; I measure out 1-tsp per quart. That dilution rate seems to be perfect—helps prevent cramping, gives a reasonable urgency to go (creating mild pressure on the prostate), and just plain smells nice. I like the Peppermint Castile flavor the best.

I get about the same results, which is why I use that amount. Very slight colon irritation more than saline, which feels like a little bit of enjoyable stimulation from the soap rather than real irritation. And just a few mild cramps sometimes without strong rectal urges to expel. I don't mind upper colon (rather than low, rectal) cramping so much and sometimes enjoy it. However, the really low rectal strong urges to push out the balloon and water have resulted in some occasional mishaps on the way to the commode, which I really detest. This is even with a DBC inflated, so I try for a satisfactory mix of mild irritation and cramping without the strong low rectal pushing urges.

Frank01:

I never use bar soap since I can't control the soap concentration at all well, so I can't address your question on that. 3TBSP of Castile liquid in 3 quarts of water is 3 tsp/quart, 2-3x the amount I use and described above. It would certainly be too irritating for me, but I've read of others here reportedly using that much. I'd use the minimum amount that produces the cramping you want. You can also produce more cramping by mixing lower concentrations of two or more substances, like Castile plus glycerin. Hopefully others here who use stronger solutions than me can advise you more. If you do use heavily cramping solutions, you might do your colon a favor by doing a water or saline rinse or two after your deep cramping enema.

As Moppys points out, too-concentrated soap or other things can be damaging to colonic mucosa. And, I've heard of patients requiring surgery or worse for colon damage from enemas, at least some which was reportedly from scalding from hot solutions. Have fun but be play safe.

Eric

What I understand is that we really don't know. I'd love to see something authoritative, but I haven't found it yet.

What we do know is that most damage is caused by too hot solutions, nozzles or hoses puncturing the rectum/colon, or detergents/enzymes or other additives (antibacteral stuff a MAJOR player here) causing chemical colitis. In some individuals soap has been reported to cause chemical colitis.

What we also do know is that soapy enemas do cause inflammation of the bowel mucosa. I don't know what the long-term effects of that will be, but we also do know that continued inflammation can be a cancer risk. No studies that I have found draw any conclusions beyond stating that many enemas (including tap water and soapsuds) cause an inflammatory response that can be identified on biopsies for generally over a day.

What I understand is that we really don't know. I'd love to see something authoritative, but I haven't found it yet.

What we do know is that most damage is caused by too hot solutions, nozzles or hoses puncturing the rectum/colon, or detergents/enzymes or other additives (antibacteral stuff a MAJOR player here) causing chemical colitis. In some individuals soap has been reported to cause chemical colitis.

What we also do know is that soapy enemas do cause inflammation of the bowel mucosa. I don't know what the long-term effects of that will be, but we also do know that continued inflammation can be a cancer risk. No studies that I have found draw any conclusions beyond stating that many enemas (including tap water and soapsuds) cause an inflammatory response that can be identified on biopsies for generally over a day.

Thank you. Accurate and nicely written.

Eric

Doctors sometimes have trouble getting patients to believe is that every body is different. Work up to find what is safe for you, because it can be different for other people.

Most of the case reports of problems I have found have been with soap that has additives, detergents, or where what was in the enema was unspecified, but there are reports where just strong soap has caused problems (or what was very likely just strong soap). PLAY IT SAFE.

I've heard of people using Dawn dish detergent in a punishment enema. This seems like you are asking for trouble to me. The mucosa lining can become really irritated using this. Be careful. Stay safe

When it is so milky it causes vertigo, yikes...I put like 2 cup of gently soaped water into 2 quart bag.

When it is so milky it causes vertigo, yikes...I put like 2 cup of gently soaped water into 2 quart bag.

Since my colon is quite sensitive, I need to measure any enema solutions carefully so I know what I'm getting and it can be reproducible. It may work for many, but "gently soaped water" is far too vague for me to know what the strength is and I'd need a lot more information about how it was prepared. But that's just me.

Eric

If using Dr. Bronner's, a tsp per quart is just about right. That's also the measure that I use for my all-time favorite: a baking soda enema. Growing up I only got Ivory ones and have no idea how much my mother used per quart. Those things always worked like magic, too.

@Emom

Exactly the same for me.

The measurements given above are correct for most people but we are all different and you may find out that those proportions do not work for you and if that is the case you can adjust up or down depending on your needs. Those measurements should give you a good starting point though.

I have been using 1 TBS of Bronners lavender castile soap per quart. I do 2 quart enemas. Recently I did a combo of Bronners and Epson Salts. 2 quart enema with 2 TBS of Epson Salts and the Bronners. This was the first of three enemas. The second was a 2 quart enema with 2 TBS of Baking Soda- no soap. The third was a 2 quart enema with 2 TBS of salt- no soap.

This produced a very soothing and erotic enema session ending a huge orgasm while expelling the third enema.

So how much is too much soap? Well when it causes too much cramping. It's up to you to find the right amount. So experiment by starting with small amounts and work you way up until you find what you are looking for.

I have found my perfect recipe for super pleasurable enemas.

Recently I did a combo of Bronners and Epson Salts. 2 quart enema with 2 TBS of Epson Salts and the Bronners.

If you combine soap with Epsom salts you end up with less than you started with, because they react chemically and neutralise each other. Depending on how much of each you use, either the Epsom salts will consume all the soap or the soap will consume all the Epsom salts, or if you happen to get the proportions exactly right both will be consumed. What you get when you mix them is magnesium soap, which is insoluble and useless for anything.

It’s easy to imagine that because A makes an effective enema and B makes an effective enema, A + B will make some kind of supereffective enema. But in this case it’s not so.

For the record, I typically use a maximum of 10 grams of Ivory soap (shavings) per liter of water. Since each bar that I get is 90 grams, for a typical 3-liter soapy enema, that equates to about one-third of the bar. For a full big bag that is at least 4.5 liters, that equates to about one-half bar of soap. Since I grate a full bar at a time and place the shavings in storage containers I use a different method than so many scoops of soap (though I've gotten pretty good at judging how much I should add). That's what scales are for and they aren't expensive. I've done stronger concentrations but the soap begins to congeal in the hose at high concentrations. What I like about the soapy mixture is the softening dissolving action and the sensation of how easily everything tends to flow out after a nice holding time.

For a combined soap/glycerin mix, I'll cut the soap back to about half the strength of my normal soapy mix and add the glycerin to 10 percent strength. This gives me a nice 'kick' where the contractions can get stronger without nauseating cramps and the nice softening/cleaning action of the soap which I can feel well up in the descending colon. I usually use a DBC nozzle for this type of enema and with the longer and larger silicone style nozzle I can often get a very nice stimulating rhythm and pressure to the contractions such that they produce a very deep and satisfying orgasm from the stimulation of the prostate. Although the longest I've ever been able to hold this mixture is just over an hour (it was a 3-liter enema and not only was I thoroughly cleaned as evidenced by the rinse, I was thoroughly 'spent' by the constant stimulation from the experience), it is usually a challenge to hold this more 10-15 minutes because the first set of contractions tend to get pretty strong.

I have also used a colon tube to introduce this mixture way up the transverse and ascending colon. The experience feels very different to me by introducing it that deep. It also feels different because of the tube being in place while those contractions are occurring and squeezing down on a 1-inch tube.

Of course, the smartass answer answer to how much is too much is when soap bubbles appear at your nostrils and ears and when you speak you are a bubble machine.

Play safe.

Some or many combinations of enema solutions work very well together with no complications and just beneficial additive effects. I almost always use saline, but often mix the saline with Castile soap or glycerin or both depending on what kind of enema I want that day. The saline gives me a very smooth comfortable enema usually without cramping, and depending on the concentrations, the soap and glycerin give a nice added feeling of mild stimulation or mild cramping or grumbling which I enjoy sometimes. I've never used Epsom salts and don't need, want or plan to, but I've read so many reports of Epsom plus soap producing an insoluble precipitate that I don't see the point of doing it. What's the point of using Epsom plus soap, especially if you're likely to cause a seriously difficult mess to clean up and maybe even ruin some equipment?

Eric

If using Dr. Bronner's, a tsp per quart is just about right. That's also the measure that I use for my all-time favorite: a baking soda enema. Growing up I only got Ivory ones and have no idea how much my mother used per quart. Those things always worked like magic, too.

Exactly the same for me, too, Emom. My standard Castile recipe is 1 tsp/quart which just gives me enough very slight stimulation and cramping that it's very enjoyable. If I want a little more stimulation or excitement, I occasionally go up to 1.5-2 tsp/quart, but above that it's too chemically irritating for my rectum and colon tissues. Some here have been using a TBSP per quart (=3 tsp) but I've never tried that much so far. I'm glad they enjoy it. Sometimes I wish my colon wasn't so sensitive, but I get a great deal of enjoyment and arousal from the more dilute solutions, so I can't complain.

Eric

I learned the hard way by overflowing my syringe with soap suds. That might look enticing in photos, but it's uncomfortable when that amount of soap is inside burning my colon.

I like Dr. Bronners, 1 tsp per quart, but my favorite when I'm feeling bound up is sloshing a bar of Conti Castile with olive oil in warm water until the water turns cloudy. Maybe it's odd, but the sloshing of the bar soap in the water heightens my anticipation. I love that sloshy feeling. I make the soapy solution strong enough to stimulate good action with only mild cramps (olive oil in Conti helps to lubricate), but if I'm tired afterwards and don't feel like doing a clear water rinse, I'm not leaving an unhealthy amount of soap residue inside me.

I learned the hard way by overflowing my syringe with soap suds. That might look enticing in photos, but it's uncomfortable when that amount of soap is inside burning my colon.

I like Dr. Bronners, 1 tsp per quart, but my favorite when I'm feeling bound up is sloshing a bar of Conti Castile with olive oil in warm water until the water turns cloudy. Maybe it's odd, but the sloshing of the bar soap in the water heightens my anticipation. I love that sloshy feeling. I make the soapy solution strong enough to stimulate good action with only mild cramps (olive oil in Conti helps to lubricate), but if I'm tired afterwards and don't feel like doing a clear water rinse, I'm not leaving an unhealthy amount of soap residue inside me.

Vicki,

I'm curious, as I have to measure my Castile soap or any other ingredients carefully to not overdo it, especially with soap or glycerin. I use 1-1.5 tsp/quart of Castile like you do. When you use the Conti Castile bar and swish it in the water to make your enema when you really feel bound up, what does it feel like compared to your usual measured Castile recipe? What about the swished bar enema makes it better for when you're bound up? Does it feel more irritating or crampy than the 1 tsp/quart of Castile enema? I never use bar soap for an enema just because I can't control how strong it is very well. Thanks,

Eric

For my guts running the water over the bar of Kirks while I fill the bag (and not having it submerged in the pitcher) seems to get the concentration about the same as 3/4-1 tsp/quart of Bronners.

I generally use plain Ivory bar soap shredded with a cheese shredder. About 1/4 cup or less of the shreds (loose, not compacted) mixed with a gallon of water is about right. It sure makes for some serious suds in the bowl.......

Seems I could never get enough soap... would use 1/2 a bar of Ivory in a blender for a 2-3qt full bag enema.... You can the foam on top of my enema avatar photo.. Having done soapy enemas on my own since a teen till in my 70's, I guess I became soapy tolerant...

Besides Ivory, I'll also used a couple tablespoons of Dr. Bronners', and also used Dove bath bar... The Dove soap made for powerful cramps and a "slippery" kind of enema due to the cold cream in the soap.. Not sure how healthy a soap that is to use...

I do no recommend anyone doing what I've done..

My regular morning enema is 1 measured tablespoon of Dr. Bronner's Peppermint in 2 1/2 quarts of warm water. It's just the right mixture for me to have a relaxing, thorough cleanse without cramping and doesn't require any clear water rinse enemas (unless I'm in the mood).

The first time I tried castile soap, I used way more than I needed, too foamy, and couldn't take the entire bag. I also got violently sick. The next time, I was much more careful, took about a teaspoon for two quart bag, although a bit crampy, felt very enjoyable and had an marvelous cleanout. I guess the bottom line is don't go overboard with soap.

You should be able to retain it 15 minutes with no more than a trace of nausea.

If you come anywhere close to vomiting it's too much

I do 1 cap full to a 2qt bag. I was able to take 4qts at once yesterday in total so 2 cap fulls with no nausea or anything.

I read an article in an issue of the Amer. Journal Gastroenterology that discussed using enemas before colonoscopies (this was done years ago, along with oral laxatives). The authors said that a single SSE would show inflammation in the colon for as long as 2 weeks; this could give a false positive for early colitis. They said use only saline or tap water.

I use tap water 90% of the time and only J&J Baby Wash in small amounts the rest of the time.