How Much Soap is Too Much

I think 1-2 teaspoons per quart of liquid dr bonners or letting water run over a soap bar is not unreasonable. More soap may cause considerable irritation to the lining of the colon.

If it won't flow smoothly through the hose, it's too much.

I love my soap. I want to use enough to taste the peppermint. I want to get those strong uses to push that an irritating soapy solution will give me. I can orgasm so intensely when I get those belly contractions that I long for.

@Jenny_Is_Kinky2 , I like the "cool burn" that peppermint produces.

@Jenny_Is_Kinky2 I love my soap. I want to use enough to taste the peppermint. I want to get those strong uses to push that an irritating soapy solution will give me. I can orgasm so intensely when I get those belly contractions that I long for.

Perfectly stated! To achieve what you mentioned and I love as well, I use a number of spoon fulls of Dr. Bronner's peppermint Castile soap. When I use Ivory, I use three or so bars in a large plastic container filled with very hot water that I shake up to get the water very very soapy.. My avatar shows Ivory foam spilling over the sides of the bags…

Yes Lots of Ivory soap until the hot water turns white and foamy!

No!! Don’t ever use any kind of dish soap or laundry detergent for enemas or antibacterial soap such as Dial bar soap!

I slosh together two bars of Ivory soap; add a squeeze of Dr. Bronner's Castile soap; add 30 drops of essential oils; two teaspoons of baking soda all mixed-in to 3 quarts of very warm water for my enema. It makes my tummy ache as the pressure builds requiring me to have to “pant like a puppy" in order to finish it. It is the near perfect enema for me. ….michael https://en.zity.biz/gallery/image/16551

My own experience has been that mixing different soaps did make a stronger more effective enema…. it was like they neutralized each other to some degree… so I only use one brand of soap at a time…

When you've gotten too much you definitely know it! I've used Dr. Bronner's peppermint for decades. Half a capful per quart for a “regular” enema and a full capful per quart when some cramping is appropriate.

Soapsuds enemas with Ivory or Dr. Bronners has always given me cramps and at times, makes it hard to hold in. I switched to goat milk soap and found it much easier to tolerate. Most soaps are made with lye and are not kind to the intestines. Most of the time I use only baking soda and salt and try to stay away from soap. I just do not think soap should be used unless you are really bound up or only take infrequent enemas.

Jenny's post down below (and my response) reminded me that I hadn't done a Bronner's peppermint soap enema in a while. And after this weekend's intense run cycle and the resulting dehydration. it seemed like a fun idea with the correct timing to take one on. Unfortunately, my black bag that I have featured in so many chat room picture sharing sessions and in my photo albums had a massive failure of the hanger hole (someone has already suggested a way to repair and keep using the bag). Instead, I used my big red rubber bag along with my Model-B nozzle.

From my own experiments and everything I've read, there is a fine line between an enema with a modicum of contractions (cramps) that seems to be unique for each individual. I have tended to use Bronner's (particularly peppermint) in a rather dilute solution. I tend to keep soapy enemas to a somewhat lower volume (~3.0-3.5 liters). If I am sitting while filling with an enema, I find this volume range sufficient to overtop the splenic flexure and have the solution flow across my transverse colon. It can be somewhat harder to clear this enema solution if I reach 4.0+ liters because a portion of the volume will fill my ascending colon.

I experimented with two concentration levels last night. The first enema was two capfuls in 3.0 liters of warm water. A “capful” is approximately 8 ml when you let most of the liquid soap drain out of the cap. Two capfuls measured at just over 15 ml. So the approximate concentration was 5 ml of Bronner's per liter of warm water. Starting slowly at first, I gradually opened up the clamp to allow the full flow over a period of several minutes. As it flowed in, it gave a nice cool burn going in and cumming out.

I decided a second, slightly stronger enema was in order. So, I upped the concentration to three capfuls into 3.0 liters of warm water. A bit frothier than the first enema. The concentration was closer to 8 ml/liter. But that is a 60% increase in concentration. And once the bag was slightly more than 50% emptied, my colon reaction was quite noticeable. I would describe the reaction as more my colon “clamping down.” It was fairly difficult to expel the solution as the “valve” at the top of my rectum was closed pretty tight because inserting a long nozzle was very difficult. I used a smaller diameter nozzle that was able to get the rinse water up into my colon, but it was a rather challenging rinse.

Somewhere between these two extremes seems like a happy medium for me.

Post Script: When I came back from my 4-mile trail run this evening I could smell the peppermint wafting off my body.

I am afraid I have found the answer to how much soap may be too much, at least for myself. Roughly a capful or so per quart is just about perfect for comfort and cleansing/cramping power. However, during one attempt, I tried two capfuls per quart in a 4 quart enema (and I think a capful more; it turned the water a lovely creamy milk color). I wasn't sure that I would take the whole thing, though I managed to get around 3 quarts which was more than I initially expected.

The experience was riveting; first thing I noticed was the cool peppermint burn almost coiling through my insides as it traversed my colon. Fun stuff! However, as I tried to insert my long and flexible 18" nozzle deeper, it felt like my inner sphincter inside my rear clamped right up and wouldn't let me insert the nozzle deeper than about 3-4 inches or so. The cramps were gradually strengthening, but unlike my last recipe with one capful per quart, they only got stronger with no tapering off point. 3 quarts in and I slipped the hose out and wobbled to the porcelain throne!

Goodness, the cramps were otherworldly. I was bent over with my arms around my belly, clutching for dear sanity as the soapy solution ravaged my insides and hit me with pangs upon pangs of rolling cramps. I was sweating and panting and almost begging for it to ease up! It was around 5-10 minutes of peppermint-scented torrential rushes punctuated by rectal dry heaves and upset tummy noises.

Admittedly, I have a hint of a masochistic side to me, so it wasn't outright unpleasant (it was quite fun admittedly, though the cramps overstayed their welcome); it was severe enough that I worried I'd done some minor harm to my innards. Fortunately, nothing but the usual aftermath was left (though my rear was sore from the probing; must be more gentle next time). Overall, it was fun for my cramp-loving self, but two capfuls was just too much!

Have any of you measured exactly what a capful of Bronners soap is in tsps? My colon is so sensitive that I need to measure carefully so I know what my colon is in for. 1-1.5 tsp/quart is just barely noticeable as irritating with very few cramps So perfect for me.

Eric

I love love a ton of Ivory soap , but i also know that Ivory of today and Ivory 35 years ago is not the same , now Bronners soap , i did use a ton once and the second i clicked the clamp my colon almost instantly said , what the fuck is this , i dont think so

Keep in mind that any ‘Soap’ is produced by reacting Sodium Hydroxide (aka Caustic Soda aka lye) or Potassium Hydroxide (aka Caustic Potash aka lye) with vegetable or animal fat. Sodium Hydroxide is the active ingredient in many drain cleaners used in the US. While manufacturers attempt to end the batch process with no residual excess Sodium/Potassium Hydroxide, their processes are not perfect and with no data to indicate just how much residual lye is safe for internal use one is playing roulette. Will your colon be the one to scream “FOUL” and leave you with a lifetime of agony?

The soap is safe for use on skin, but contact with membranes such as the lining of the colon is anyone's guess. Numerous studies cast a shadow on safe use of soap in enemas and I refuse to use soap in enemas for that reason. Once you start a case of IBD/colitis, trying to suppress it can be like a one armed firefighter trying to extinguish a forest fire with a 2 gallon pale of water. By the time you regain control, the forest is burned to the ground.

Manufacturers of large volume enema kits are discontinuing the inclusion of Castile Soap packets as the evidence mounts that soap is not a safe additive in an enema. Caveat Emptor.

Thank You, Victoria!

I only received one soapy Enema from my mother. I told her that the first enema did not work. She then said that her mother always gave her soap enemas and gave me a very big soapy one. It was not as good as the first one. I have since had problems with soaps. Sparkling clear is nice.

My mother came home earlier than I was expecting and caught me in her bathroom with her Rexall Victoria Combination syringe overly full of warm water. I had filled the bottle brim full and then screwed the adaptor cap into the bottle and attached the red hose. Once that was done, I laid the bottle on the floor, filled a glass with warm water, took a big swig of the water in my mouth, opened the shut-off and placed the tube minus the nozzle in my mouth and then blew the water through the hose into the bag. I did this repeatedly until Mom's douche bag looked like a basketball.

Not expecting Mom for at least an hour, it nearly floored me when she opened the bathroom door leading to her bedroom.

Mom said "What in the hell do you think you are doing! Go ahead if you want to kill yourself!" and then she slammed the door.

I didn't move...I remained sitting on the toilet in my underwear.

About 20 or so minutes later, Mom opened the door again. I didn't look up at her. I had my chin in my hands looking down at the floor. Mom came into the room and sat next to me on the tub. She gently turned my face towards herself and began to talk saying "Mike, I am sorry I acted the way I did when I came home. But, you know what Dr. A says about those things!"

I remember that I rubbed my eyes, then looked directly into her eyes and said "Mom, I know, but I like the way an enema feels as the warm water enters my rectum. I know you don't understand (Mom had previously told me that she had had only one enema in her life and that was right before she had me and that if someone tried to give her another they had better fast cause they'd have to catch her) but Mom I am not you. I've taken enemas almost all of my life and I am as healthy as a person could ever be."

I, then, told Mom "Mom, I could be doing a lot of other things people in my class are doing. Things such as smoking, drinking and even doing drugs. Me taking enemas, Mom, is not even near as bad as those things are."

Mom, then, said "Mike, I just don't understand you! But, Mike, that's way too much water, son!"

I replied back at Mom saying "I can take it!"

Well, Mom leaned over and picked up the bloated bag. She said "Mike, the water in the bag has cooled. You said that you like the water to be warm, right?"

I said, "Yes, Ma'am..."

Well, she went over to the sink, undid the adapter cap and poured that water down the drain. She, then, left the room saying that she'd be right back. She said she was going to give me an enema like the folks in the hospital gave her.

I didn't know what to expect.

A moment or two later, Mom returned carrying a box of salt, a bottle of Ivory liquid soap, and a 2 quart pitcher and a jar of Vaseline.

I watched Mom as she turned on the water. Then, she adjusted the water temperature. When she felt that the water was warm enough, she filled the bottle full. She, then, turned the water off and added a couple of teaspoons of salt. Next, she picked up the bottle of Ivory soap and saw her squirt at least 5 squirts of the soap into the hot water bottle. When that was done, Mom picked up the red hose and screwed the adapter back into the bottle.

Mom then held the bottle up for me to inspect.

I smiled up at her as she stood across from me shaking the bottle back and forth.

Being inquisitive, I asked her why she was doing that.

Mom, then, replied "I am making sure all of the ingredients that I put in the bag are mixed up."

I smiled up at her!

She, then, hung the bag above the toilet on a hook that was there for that purpose.

Next, she went back to the sink and filled the two quart picture with more warm water, salt and soap.

Once that was done, Mom came back and sat down on the edge of the tub next to me. She took the hose in her hand and with her other hand she opened the Vaseline and smeared a little of that substance onto the enema nozzle. Next she opened the shut-off valve and warm, soapy, salty water squirted out of the tube.

I had never had a soap suds enema before and didn't know what to expect.

Well, I soon found out... and she made me take all of that enema including the 2nd pitcher too! The soap really caused me to cramp something awful. No plain water enema ever did that.

You ask me how much soap is too much. If one likes a soothing enema, a soap suds enema is not the one you want.

Keep in mind that any ‘Soap’ is produced by reacting Sodium Hydroxide (aka Caustic Soda aka lye) or Potassium Hydroxide (aka Caustic Potash aka lye) with vegetable or animal fat. Sodium Hydroxide is the active ingredient in many drain cleaners used in the US. While manufacturers attempt to end the batch process with no residual excess Sodium/Potassium Hydroxide, their processes are not perfect and with no data to indicate just how much residual lye is safe for internal use one is playing roulette. Will your colon be the one to cream “FOUL” and leave you with a lifetime of agony?

The soap is safe for use on skin, but contact with membranes such as the lining of the colon is anyone's guess. Numerous studies cast a shadow on safe use of soap in enemas and I refuse to use soap in enemas for that reason. Once you start a case of IBD/colitis, trying to suppress it can be like a one armed firefighter trying to extinguish a forest fire with a 2 gallon pale of water. By the time you regain control, the forest is burned to the ground.

Manufacturers of large volume enema kits are discontinuing the inclusion of Castile Soap packets as the evidence mounts that soap is not a safe additive in an enema. Caveat Emptor.

This is pure alarmism and ignorance to boot.

If soap contained ANY sodium hydroxide, it would NOT be safe to use on skin.

When did you last get a severe chemical burn from using soap on your skin?

Commercial soaps are safe. Incompetently made hobbyist soap might contain some free sodium hydroxide, and the maker would discover it as soon as they tried it out.

Competent hobbyist soap makers avoid having residual sodium hydroxide in their soap by the very simple expedient of using slightly more oil than is required to react with all the sodium hydroxide. All the sodium hydroxide is consumed, and a small amount of oil is left in the finished soap. The pH can also be adjusted to a safe level e.g. by adding citric acid.

By all means avoid soap in your own enemas if the thought makes you uncomfortable. But don’t spread false, alarmist information to people who may not have the knowledge to detect it. There’s more than enough of that around already.

Way back in the 80's, Ivory still sold liquid Ivory soap. This was a real soap, as opposed to Liquid Ivory detergent. On one occasion I used the enema recipe from Taber's medical dictionary, 1 ounce of Ivory per quart of water, in a 2 quart large soapsuds enema. The cramping began as it flowed in, and became intense within minutes. While it certainly was an effective enema, I was sore for the rest of the day. I've never used more than half that concentration with any soap ever since.

You guys got me really wondering what is the safe amount and what is not. I think, soap enemas are not as popular in Russia officially (in medicine) as in other countries, usually it is just plain water, but I've googled it and got the idea. Many recipes recommend to use Castille soap (it is liquid soap, right), and it is not so popular here, either. But from what I found after googling - the recipes online recommend to make an enema like 2 l in amount (8 cups is about 2 l) and… 4 to 8 tablespoons of soap? And each tablespoon is 15 ml? So 8 tablespoons per enema is 120 ml of soap? Comparing to what you write, this seems like REALLY too much.

As for me, I just drop a bar of household soap into the warm water and stir there for some minutes, until I feel the water is really soapy, and I can use this bar later, for lubrication/punishment.

@Liya I have seen that same reference, and that is way too much soap. 1 Tbsp of castille soap in 2 quarts is more like the normal soapy enema.

the recipes online recommend to make an enema like 2 l in amount (8 cups is about 2 l) and… 4 to 8 tablespoons of soap? And each tablespoon is 15 ml? So 8 tablespoons per enema is 120 ml of soap? Comparing to what you write, this seems like REALLY too much.

1 Tbsp of castille soap in 2 quarts is more like the normal soapy enema.

In my experience, you are absolutely right.

4-5ml of liquid castile soap per liter is perfect solution for effective cleanse. 6.5-7ml - already too irritating.

I've used dr.bronners mild soap then locally made castile-like liquid one.

The colon therapist that I deal with insists that soapsuds enemas are safe as long as the right soap is used ( Bronners or goat milk soap) and not too muc soap is used in a 2 qt enema. However, everything that I have ever read states that regular use of soap suds enemas are harmful to the colon lining and should be used sparingly and always followed with a good rinse enema. I stopped using soapsuds and only use baking soda and salt. A soap suds enema did not cause me a lot of cramps but became extremely hard to hold and made follow up enemas hard to take. I personally see no benefit to using them unless I am blocked or using for a medical procedure..

After my recent session, I can safely say that any amount of soap is too much.

When you start “burping” soap bubbles. You've probably used too much !!!!!😄😄

One-eyes needs to read the ingredients in Milk Of Magnesia.

Or the supposed "inactive" ingredients in Dulcolax tablets.

I love Ivory soap, and have used it for over seven decades with the only bad effect being an occasional accident and infrequent strong cramps (which I sometimes desire). I vary the amount from slightly translucent water to just like milk, depending on the effect that I want. I have never developed any clinically serious problems!

Jenny is Kinky2 wrote:

”I love my soap. I want to use enough to taste the peppermint. I want to get those strong uses to push that an irritating soapy solution will give me. I can orgasm so intensely when I get those belly contractions that I long for.”

Jenny,

What soap are you using and how much do you use to taste the peppermint? I’m not aiming for a lot of cramping, but the flavor sounds intriguing. I’ve read about others that do the same. Thanks,

Eric