Historic exam fantasies

I have fond memories of hospital visits in the 1950s and early 1960s. I remember the ether screens in the operating rooms, the reusable surgical gloves, the glass syringes, the iron bed frames, the glass IV bottles, the nurses in their starched white dresses and stockings, and the doctors in their white coats over green scrubs. A number of years ago, I was able to have a weekend session with a patient in which we created that era.

Regarding HYSTERIA treatment, if it were still treated by doctors today, what would they charge for each treatment and would the insurance companies pay for the treatments???? AND more important, how many women and wives would go for the treatments and how often would they go???? Just curious.

I feel like modern day hysteria treatment would be something like the Gwyneth Paltrow-esque "wellness" therapies. Lots of jade eggs in yonis.

This is a great thread, I’m surprised I hadn’t seen it prior to this. My fantasies tend to run to depraved doctors and the neat thing about ‘historical’ settings is they play into this very well, especially Victorian or Edwardian periods. The poor girl really has very little understanding of what’s going on, the doctor is, of course, trusted and respected. He could do pretty much anything he wished under the auspices of medicine. If he assures the girl this is a perfectly normal and accepted part of the procedure well, it’s not like she’s going to talk about it to someone, it’s HARDLY a topic fit for conversation.

Nurse Phillips: I've heard/read some testimonies from the girls who were held as inmates in reform schools and some of the acts of the nuns running them… perhaps were due to some form of perversion. As you say, acts that could be attributed to the desire of giving a proper upbringing, but…

There’s an Irish movie about the Magdalene Sisters - who ran a similar set up in Ireland - that includes a scene where the nuns made the girls line up naked after a shower and critiqued their appearance. It was humiliating and had a huge sexual undertone - well for someone like me at least. Yes it’s a fertile ground.

There was the Parramatta Girls Home in Sydney, it was open from 1887 - 1975. It was out near the Parramatta River where the Olympic Park is now. They sent delinquent girls there perhaps aged 14 or 15, and part of the induction process included an examination of their reproductive organs. There is a photo on the internet somewhere, but I can't find it at the moment, that shows the examination room with the examination bed, and a severe looking nurse with what looks like a Ferguson Speculum on the table. Some of the girls were virgins and a speculum of that type would have broken the hymen in most cases I would imagine.

Dr Philip: A movie made about the French reform schools showed a speculum during the physical in the admission process, but I suspect it was there as a symbol of “embarrassing and uncomfortable pelvic exam” not necessarily that it was used on all girls. Indeed the testimonies rather allude to visual and digital exams for the virgins; but one may well have been used for those that this examination led to be considered non virgins. Given the repressive nature of all the process, one can imagine that an uncomfortably large speculum could be used to punish the “fallen” girls.

Regarding sternness it’s obvious from reading testimonies that the pelvic exam was not only there to check virginity, check for STDs and humiliate “fallen” girls but also to tell the girls who was boss.

There was the Parramatta Girls Home in Sydney, it was open from 1887 - 1975. It was out near the Parramatta River where the Olympic Park is now. They sent delinquent girls there perhaps aged 14 or 15, and part of the induction process included an examination of their reproductive organs. There is a photo on the internet somewhere, but I can't find it at the moment, that shows the examination room with the examination bed, and a severe looking nurse with what looks like a Ferguson Speculum on the table. Some of the girls were virgins and a speculum of that type would have broken the hymen in most cases I would imagine.

https://insideblog.nma.gov.au/2011/02/16/the-examination-room/

Note the euphemism: “girls entering children’s homes were subjected (...) to harsh physical examinations”.

I don’t see the speculum but there are stirrups and a stool ready..

I don’t see the speculum but there are stirrups and a stool ready..

The Ferguson Speculums are on the table in front of the picture.

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Nagus: I see. I hope they only used them on girls whose hymen was sufficiently relaxed, or, better, on girls who admitted to having had intercourse.

@Nagus

Thanks for finding the photo, and yes I can see two Ferguson Speculums ready on the table. I've used one of these myself during a play exam and they are just basically a hollow metal tube, so for a virgin an examination with one of these would be very difficult. If you use Google there is a lot of information and some women recall their experiences there. It was a very harsh place and the girls virginity would be checked on admission, if the hymen was broken then the girl was classed and treated as if she were a prostitute apparently. One woman recalls being tied to the table while she was examined internally...

I have seen a number of drawings of clysters being administered to the posteriors of a female by a male physician with a very big syringe. The women, who had gladly hiked up their dress and had their asses in the air for the procedure, seemed to be enjoying it. "Clyster Master" is a job title I'd gladly have held in the 18th century!

Dr Philip: One can suppose the use of such uncomfortable speculums on girls suspected of not being virgin anymore was a form of punishment, in the same way that, in decades gone by, unmarried women who gave birth were sometimes denied painkillers etc. so as to make them suffer for their sins.

I searched a bit about these Australian industrial schools and it seems abuse was rampant.

@Pecan_nutjob

Yes it seems these were awful places and abuse was indeed rampant. What amazes me is that this place was only shut down in 1975, to make way for the Olympic Village for the 2000 Sydney Games no doubt, and that the government dept that dealt with these places was still operating up to 1989 I believe.

Dr Philip: Apart from this photograph, any testimonies?

Dr Philip: Apart from this photograph, any testimonies?

There are a lot of items about this place on the internet including Wikipedia. One of the men in charge was jailed for 82 years recently, and his former colleague was jailed for 85 years in 2019.

I see. It looks like girls were taken from their families for being in "moral danger"… to a place in which they were beaten and raped.

Paradoxically they had the girl undergo a gynecological exam to shame them if not virgins… and then they risked being molested.

This, I'm afraid, will tend to happen in "closed" institutions whose "clients" cannot protest.

For a somewhat related topic, in the US context, look up Dr. J. Marion Sims, the founder of modern gynecology and the inventor (and namesake) of the Sims speculum and the Sims position for anal exams. Sims was a slaveholder from South Carolina and his invention of the discipline of gynecology, including pioneering work on vagina surgery, was done on slave women he owned, without anesthesia. Gynecology as we know it would not exist without the forced examinations of African-American slave women. And of course obstetrics and gynecology were important aspects of the internal slave trade as well, determining whether slave women would make good breeders or not.

I‘ve read testimonies by former inmates of the Parramatta school and this is disgusting. A doctor nicknamed Dr Fingers I suppose due to giving digital internal exams for personal enjoyment. Girls given painful speculum exams, sometimes bleeding after them. All this under the guise of checking for pregnancy and STIs.

I find it really fascinating to what extent we tolerate hideous things done to youngsters under the pretense that we were helping them. When I read these Australian reform schools for girls, I'm reminded of what I read about the French reform schools for girls: these schools were described to the public as a nurturing environment (whereas it was not); magistrates or judges sent youth there without knowing the real conditions inside the schools; practices of sexual humiliation were rampant whereas they were supposed to be there for proper upbringing.

This is an interesting topic. I think everyone with a med fetish probably has some element of wanting to try something from exams in past history to different degrees. It doesn't necessarily have to be anything but the smallest of details such as for example, giving and receiving of rectal temp taking. This is almost a thing of the past in the medical real world of today, yet most of us like it and want to continue with that tradition. Another popular one would be military style exams of the near and far distant past when mass nudity was how inductees were examined. Another thing of the past that still lingers on in the minds of many people is the style of medical clothes from the past in such things as liking nurse caps and medical bags full of torturous medical instruments. We all seem to hold dearly onto many little details of the historic past to feed our med fantasies of today. Personally, I have always wondered what it would be like to be treated with those blood-sucking leeches...did it hurt, did it feel erotic...what? Another weird medical thing that happened very regularly in the past that sounds ever so interesting but without logic to it was giving a physical to a prisoner condemned to death to see if the prisoner was in fit condition to die! What were such exams ever like as they make no sense to me at all. The idea of time travel back to the distant past with present day medical knowledge must be a popular fantasy as well since many tv shows and movies have used that idea, like in such series as, "Outlander." Of course in all the shows such a thing is used in, it usually ends badly with a trip to the stake to be burned as a witch!

Another popular one would be military style exams of the near and far distant past when mass nudity was how inductees were examined.

Given how often it crops up that women have enlisted in armies in the past without being discovered until killed or wounded (or applying for a pension) there must not have been much mass nudity or even perfunctory medical exams going on.

Came across a book that might be of interest to this thread, a scholarly look on women in Victorian mental asylums: https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/lost-souls-9781788318075/

Agracier: Routine physicals in armies came, I think, through conscription and the existence of medical deferments. Prior to that, I suspect that they took whoever was willing to enlist.

I suspect that the most intrusive period was the mid/XXth century, probably until the 1970s: highly hygienist times, and not yet much respect for privacy. Then conscription appeared increasingly irrelevant.

Mine would be to be a mid evil duke and examin all females prior to marriage. They would be stripped nude in my chambers and I would perform a vey lengthy exam leaving no part of her body untouched. Then I would instruct her on how to please a man , and make her practice on me. if there was any resistance she would be taken to the town square nude and spanked in front of anyone that cared to watch

Then I would instruct her on how to please a man , and make her practice on me. if there was any resistance she would be taken to the town square nude and spanked in front of anyone that cared to watch

Oh, many would care to watch, make no doubt of it. Any socially endorsed form of public humiliation and nudity would be widely and enthusiastically attended.

You might very well turn out to be a beloved feudal lord as long as you didn't exaggerate too much … ha ha

Again non fantasy, about the Parramatta reform school (or others similar) in Australia.

Here are a few things that I've read while browsing articles and book extracts available online. It's horrific.

It seems that inmates nicknamed one doctor “Fingers”.

Girls, sometimes as young as 9, were submitted to virginity tests because delinquent girls or girls from troubled homes were suspected of being promiscuous. Some doctors or nurses noted a digit 1,2,3 next to their appraisal, an informal notation for the number of fingers that count enter. It was believed that a lax vagina was sign for frequent penetration.

Girls who did not want to submit to this test could be given a whiff of sleeping gas.

Parramatta Girls Home was no “ historical fantasy” nor was it about any medical fetish fantasy…far from it.

What occurred there was very real . .frighteningly so, for any young woman who found herself in their (RCC) clutches it was more akin to a living nightmare.

When news of the Catholic operated institution first surfaced a State sanctioned investigation was hastily implemented. Immediately following their findings led to the establishment of a Royal Commission into their affairs

Due to their findings of said Commission all the courts records were suppressed because they were considered both very harrowing (graphic) and not in the best interests of those who survived.

What emerged was many young girls who travelled from the rural outback towns & inland cities were trapped with little or no support. What took place was both highly illegal.& unauthorised least of which included abortions, terminations and newborn babies spirited away & handed to childless couples with fabricated documentation. The child's mother being told that the newborn was stillborn & left to grieve alone. Afterwards that mother when recovered became nothing more than free labour for the nuns & the RC church.

To this very day those few who survived have either had ongoing health problems, or been institutionalised or died