Different circumcision outcomes

Thanks Jds. A little more gruesome than I remember but oh well! The gomco is definitely more elegant but they wouldn't let us use them.

I've put a few photographs up.

https://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=gallery;ox=showalbum;ax=8677

To the circumcised men there: what kind of circumcision do you have? "high"? "low"? (or "in between" ?)

Maybe there is a relationship between that outcome and the reason for circumcision (phimosis? adherences? Jewish? Muslim? newborn for hygiene?)? So it could be interesting if you could state when and why you were circumcised.

I recently learned about a new technique that involves intracavernosal injection of prostaglandin to induce an erection at time of operation. According to the authors of a recently published study, the technique allows accurate removal of the foreskin. It can be applied to current surgical techniques for improved cosmetic outcomes of adult circumcision. Has anyone heard about this new technique?

I had a Low & Tight circumcision age 6 in a UK private hospital in 1977,

A circ should be as tight as possible to keep the head fully exposed,

I think a Low cut looks neat, but do think a High circ looks awesome

Cutmedfanuk: So no inner foreskin remaining and no laxness in skin when erect?

I recently learned about a new technique that involves intracavernosal injection of prostaglandin to induce an erection at time of operation. According to the authors of a recently published study, the technique allows accurate removal of the foreskin. It can be applied to current surgical techniques for improved cosmetic outcomes of adult circumcision. Has anyone heard about this new technique?

The Journal of Sexual Medicine reviewed this technique in 2013. An image can be seen at https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(15)30477-X

The foreskin is not removed. Skin at the base of the penis is removed and the two ends stitched. This results in a 'high' circumcision scar.

@Mahashandra: I think we are talking about two different techniques here. This website describes the two procedures: https://www.urologicalcare.com/

The procedure described under "Cosmetic circumcision" is exactly the technique you mentioned (removal of skin from the penis shaft). I was referring to a traditional circumcision done in the erect state. Prostaglandin is injected into the cavernous body to induce an "artificial" erection. This allows the surgeon to remove the foreskin more precisely. See this website for photographs: https://www.urologicalcare.com/cosmetic-penile-surgery/ici-injections-for-more-precise-removal-of-foreskin/

@Enemajock said

I recently learned about a new technique that involves intracavernosal injection of prostaglandin to induce an erection at time of operation. According to the authors of a recently published study, the technique allows accurate removal of the foreskin. It can be applied to current surgical techniques for improved cosmetic outcomes of adult circumcision. Has anyone heard about this new technique?

Thanks for bringing that up. I came across a mention of Dr. Eid and his technique a while ago when looking for something else and was not able to find it again. I found it interesting because it sounded like something I would have considered when I was in my prime. For most of my life I have been pulling my foreskin all the way back to expose all the inner foreskin along with the glans for my pleasure. I would NOT have wanted to have my inner foreskin removed to accomplish a circumcision which seemed to be the norm for any of the usual types. Even high and tight did not leave much inner foreskin so I have kept my elephant trunk. 😢

When I desensitized myself I discovered during the process that I get as much pleasure dry rubbing my inner foreskin as I do rubbing the glans, maybe more. 😁 Well at orgasm time the glans has it beat. 😈

Looking at the photos of Dr. Eid's cosmetic surgery though it appears that he does nothing exactly like what I had in mind. When I retract all the way the tip is at the base so my whole shaft is covered with inner foreskin. None of his photos show anything even close to that. In photo #5 it looks like the tip is about mid shaft and folding over. On patient #6, photo #186,189 it is barely behind the glans. Some others look like it re-covers the glans when flaccid. None of those results would have pleased me. I wanted my complete inner foreskin bared and stretched tight when erect with no folds of skin rolling up behind the glans when flaccid.

In other words, if it's going to be naked, I want it fully and completely naked. 😃 I would have wanted every bit of the surface of that skin touching something all the time. 😜 I used to think about getting some kind of piercings that could be inserted at the tip and base so I could pull it all the way back and hook it there.

Pecan nutjob: yes that is exactly what i meant

Circ low and loose at 52. Scar less than 1/2 inch from glans. Almost not inner foreskin.

When flaccid remaning shaft skin wrinkles and folds covering 1/3 of glans, specially when sitting. Penis turtles a bit, may be because age (I'm not fat). However, when lying or moving with penis dangling, glans uncovers.

Of course, at minimum excitation glans totally exposed. At full erection I can barely cover glans rim pulling shaft skin at maximum. So, real grower here.

Initially, I was not satisfied about the outcome, dr. told me that my requested "high and tight" was unrealistic, tight because my my penis dimensions, and high because too often inner skin is prone to swollen, and this could lead to a new circ.

However, he told me glans will remain always uncovered, something hasn't happened.

Dr. told me to check again at 6 months. I have to say that may be he was right because now, after 4 months glans is more exposed, sometimes only rim is covered.

Also, after going back to action, I've found handjob/masturbation have worsened, no matter technic/lube used. I miss the foreskin gliding on glans. I know that I've to adjust, but won't be the same. Not a real problem as wife prefer blowjobs and penetrative sex (by the way, first weeks she was really, really obsessed giving me head).

Amazed that dr. was able to perform surgery in such way, calculating the necessary amount of skin to remove to allow enough mobility to the remaining shaft skin.

If I was going to make that thing hang around naked rubbing on my underpants all day and anything else that comes close enough to touch it, I want it NAKED. No skin bunching up behind the glans. When I go to touch it and rub it off I don't want to find a damp spot that needs to be cleaned and dried before I can rub it. That's right, DRY rub it. Oh, there's nothing that feels better than dry rubbing.

I'm sorry about your masturbation problem.

I still have my foreskin but when I got tired of the ultra sensitivity I desensitized it by pulling the foreskin tightly back and drying it off so I could touch every bit of the dry, fully exposed inner foreskin and glans until it became less sensitive. I used rubbing alcohol on a cotton ball to clean it so my fingers didn't stick anywhere when it was dry. Eventually that touching led to rubbing and that felt so good it led to masturbating to a climax. It feels so good masturbating like that I won't do it any other way even though I still have a foreskin. Actually the foreskin is a plus because when I stretch the inner foreskin back it gives me a wonderful sensation which is enhanced by dry rubbing it. So if I were to get cut I would want it to be as high as possible leaving the whole inner foreskin intact so it covers the shaft.

Is your glans still sensitive to touch? I think you will like being able to rub the bare glans when you get used to it. I DO! 😁

BMJ: I'm not surprised, making masturbation more difficult and less enjoyable used to be listed as a motivation to circumcise boys.

As I've said, masturbation has worsened but I've also said this isn't a real issue. I'm married and my wife really likes sex. I don't masturbate very often, in fact, I've only masturbated not more than 4 times since the surgery (october 31st), when in business trips. On the other side, wife's handjobs better because no more tight frenulum (it didn't bother me in untercousing or masturbating, but could hurt when wife performed too rough handjobs). However, still adjusting to the sensations of a bare lubed hand stroking the naked glans. I suppose I will adapt. No lose of sensations in glans.

By the way, one of my erotic dreams is being tied, and then be milked in a non stopping hanjob, continuing after the ejaculation I've tried to do it but I can't stand post sensation orgasm. Asked wife to tie me but she doesn't want to do it.... at home.

BMJ: I'm not surprised, making masturbation more difficult and less enjoyable used to be listed as a motivation to circumcise boys.

Pecan, I don't think it worked. All the cut guys I knew when we had circle jerks as kids liked masturbation as much as I did and were not bothered a bit by having their bare glans rubbed. In fact they wanted it rubbed vigorously which astounded me because my covered one was so sensitive. Knowing that is what persuaded me to bare mine and touch the hell out of it to make it less sensitive. The best thing I ever did as it improved masturbation immensely. So it's 1 for bare knobs and 0 for Dr. Kellogg.

In my case, I think I could/will adapt quite easily to new masturbation, because my loose circumcision means that mechanics are similar. But I met in another fourm a guy circumcised last year who's still struggling with a too tight one. He says that after a full year from surgery, It hurts a bit in full erection and can't adapt to a non moving shaft. He's young and single, so I told him to buy a fleshlight (or find girlfriend) and avoid manual masturbation.

I also wanted a tight one but dr. told me that being a grower It would never be tight in flaccid state. Then asked for a tight in erection, dr told me that he didn't want to be sued. Finished with a low and loose. Not bad at all. In erection I can barely cover glans rim with the shaft skin pulling at max.

On the other side, wife's handjobs better because no more tight frenulum (it didn't bother me in untercousing or masturbating, but could hurt when wife performed too rough handjobs). However, still adjusting to the sensations of a bare lubed hand stroking the naked glans. I suppose I will adapt. No lose of sensations in glans.

I don't like lube, I prefer dry. Lube seems to make it hurt a bit. You are right, there is no loss of sensation in the glans when masturbating. Once the sensitivity of the covered glans is gone the good sensations are still there and even better. If you ever tore off a fingernail the discomfort when touching the newly uncovered skin is the only thing I can compare the feeling I had when touching my bare glans and that's what I wanted to get rid of. I figured that would work the same as the cut kids bare glans which had been uncovered since birth so they didn't remember what their bare glans felt like rubbing on their underwear. I figured I just had to do to myself what they had to live with but didn't remember.

I had a tight frenulum too which was a real pain when I tried to pull my foreskin back too far. That fixed itself shortly after I got married. We used to go out drinking and naturally we wanted sex when we got home so it may have not been lubricated well enough. Being drunk I never noticed until the next day that it got ripped. I soon discovered that if I did something to hold the cut open as it healed it was no as tight as before. After several times it was gone. Just like it was never there. I was able to pull my foreskin all the way back with nothing pulling the tip of my penis under. It had been quite painful when pulling it too far before so that was a great increase in pleasure. Some people say their frenulum is nicely sensitive and stretchy. Mine was none of those. It didn't stretch and it hurt when being pulled tight. It was not pleasureful to rub or touch it. So having that thing gone and later forcing my glans to get used to being rubbed while fully exposed put me right in heaven.

By the way, one of my erotic dreams is being tied, and then be milked in a non stopping hanjob, continuing after the ejaculation I've tried to do it but I can't stand post sensation orgasm. Asked wife to tie me but she doesn't want to do it.... at home.

My dream too but my wife isn't interested. I wanted to experience being forced to endure that after climax rub sensation. Like you, I can't do it by/to myself. I would need to be held down while someone else does that to me. When I've tried, the shaking that happens makes me wonder if that's what I'm doing to my wife when she has a leg shaking orgasm.

In my case, I think I could/will adapt quite easily to new masturbation, because my loose circumcision means that mechanics are similar. But I met in another fourm a guy circumcised last year who's still struggling with a too tight one. He says that after a full year from surgery, It hurts a bit in full erection and can't adapt to a non moving shaft. He's young and single, so I told him to buy a fleshlight (or find girlfriend) and avoid manual masturbation.

I'm sure you/he will. I was in my late 20s when I began bare rubbing my dry glans and it took more than a year for all the uncomfortable things to subside. The skin was sensitive and was easy to rub a sore spot on. It sometimes hurt the next day from being stretched too tight while rubbing too enthusiastically. But the skin toughens up so those problems go away. It kept getting better for several years. That's what the kids who were cut as infants had already gone through for years.

I also wanted a tight one but dr. told me that being a grower It would never be tight in flaccid state. Then asked for a tight in erection, dr told me that he didn't want to be sued. Finished with a low and loose. Not bad at all. In erection I can barely cover glans rim with the shaft skin pulling at max.

Roscoe: Sure it does not prevent masturbation. But many circumcised males report they have to use a lubricant (which is not generally available to children or teenagers, apart from spit, which dries up quickly) so as not to injure themselves. My cousin reports he got injured when being given hand jobs, and sometimes when masturbating himself. And BMJ reports that masturbation and handjobs are now less pleasurable, though intercourse (in a well lubricated vagina) is not affected.

So to me it seems that the old objective of hampering masturbation while not hampering intercourse was not so unrealistic, especially with a tight circumcision.

I'm not sure it hampered it a lot. I know some people have had bad experiences but I think those go away with time. None of the cut kids I got together with way back when had any complaints. I think that was due to the length of time theirs had been naked and played with that way. I'm sure all of them had been cut at birth and none of us ever thought of lubrication at those times.

I was in my late 20s when I began masturbating like a cut guy. At first it was easy to rub up a road rash on it but as time went on it was less likely to happen. Maybe I got better at it or maybe it toughened up or a little of both. Remember I still have a foreskin that rolls over it when I'm done playing with it. Like putting it away until the next time. That has a tendency to keep the glans soft which makes it more likely to get a road rash. The kids I was playing with had been fully exposed for a dozen years or more. Theirs never got the chance to get recovered at all so the skin never got resoftened. Something else I did was to clean it well and dry it so my fingers did not stick to it or drag on it, they slid easily over it. I used rubbing alcohol to clean it but discovered it didn't like to have it rubbed in like you would giving someone a back rub. That was quite erotic as the alcohol felt cold at first, then it felt hot, then it tingled as it dried. That sure made me want to play with it. I'm in my late 70s now and I still look forward to doing that.

I think they will find it just gets better as time goes on.

I think there's a big difference between individuals and also between surgery before/afer puberty. Circumcised adults have to adapt to a -in some cases- radical change, whereas children grown and develop already in this situation. Anyway, in my case I haven't noticed much change, may be because mine is a loose one. But sure for some ones there can be problems after surgery: scars, swelling, excessive thigthness, scrotal webbing....

BMJ: My cousin complained of little injuries, irritations etc. when he was in his 20s, and his surgery was when he was 6-7. I guess there is some variation between individuals (how circumcision was done, tight vs loose, low vs high...); also possibly part of his issues were due to clumsy girlfriend used to uncut boys and rubbing hard.

Pecan Nutjob. You're right. Every individual is different. Plus when surgery is performed in infants is not possible to know how the adult penis will be.

By the way, one of my erotic dreams is being tied, and then be milked in a non stopping hanjob, continuing after the ejaculation I've tried to do it but I can't stand post sensation orgasm. Asked wife to tie me but she doesn't want to do it.... at home.

That's great, you should do it!!

That's great, you should do it!!

I would like,.... but wife isn't interested in handjobs. She says there're "boring"

But, as she's much more on blowjobs, I'm asking her to tying me and perform and endless blowjob.

And now she says that's a "foolishness".

Originally, Jews circumcised only the portion of the prepuce that extended beyond the tip of the glans. That method is called "milah." When "milah" circumcision was performed, the glans was only slightly exposed. The rumors (and the history) are that some Jews stretched their foreskins after "milah" was performed and the entire glans became fully covered again. (This what is called circumcision reversal when circumcised enthusiasts stretch the remaining skin over the glans in an attempt to cover the glans completely.) Then, "periah" had to be invented.

"Periah" circumcision was performed after "milah" circumcision. When "Periah" is performed, the adhesions are torn and the entire prepuce is removed resulting in the full exposure of the glans to its coronal sulcus.

Modern circumcision is a combination of "milah" and "periah" performed all at once. The goal and the ultimate result is permanent externalization of the entire glans.

The rumors (and the history) are that some Jews stretched their foreskins after "milah" was performed and the entire glans became fully covered again. .

This sort of defeats the whole purpose of circumcision - other than the mystical part perhaps. I would consider this an indication that not everyone appreciates being circumcised.

This sort of defeats the whole purpose of circumcision - other than the mystical part perhaps. I would consider this an indication that not everyone appreciates being circumcised.

Well, yeah. It is because while the outcome is accepted by many, it is not accepted by all. So, whether those boys or men were teased just like a circumcised can be teased by his uncircumcised friends, they started to stretch. Apparently, they were quite successful in doing so, as not to give circumcised boys and men any very wrong ideas, "periah" was invented and became the most common choice. It makes rather difficult and not always possible to stretch to a full or substantial coverage after a successful "periah."

That was the purpose then. So it is the purpose now. The entire glans is expected to become permanently exposed after a proper circumcision.

“If I have a son, I wouldn't circumcise him. Eventually, when he's a mature adult, I want him to experience sex at its finest, and I think if you have your foreskin, the sex will be better. It's like having a kid run a marathon with Skechers instead of Nikes: You want them to have the best equipment, and foreskin is the best equipment.”

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/a28580739/circumcision-pros-and-cons

JacobNC: Very interesting. My cousin, who was circumcised at around 6 years old, reported to me when he was in his 20s having difficulties reaching orgasm: blow jobs did not work, hand jobs would easy irritate the scar, and he needed lots of stimulation trough intercourse (and again risked irritation). Yet it's the first time I read about such considerable difficulty.

I have a friend that "WAS" an Orthodox Jew and the son of an Orthodox Priest. He explained to me how circumcision is performed on day 8 by a Mohel. As such he retained much of his prepuce as a result of his "Orthodox Circumcision". He commented that the "foreskin" consists of only the wrinkly puce colored folds at the very tip of the penis and that the prepuce is the skin covering the glans and is not removed (amputated). He also explained the "blood sucking". Gross! As I commented he "WAS". He is so upset regarding being circumcised that he has denounced his religion, his father, his chance at becoming an Orthodox Priest and today is an Atheist attempting to restore his foreskin.

Disclaimer: This is not intended to offend the Jewish community or any Orthodox Jew. This is what was explained to me by an ex-Orthodox Jew. If offended please delete.

Uncutforeskin: I have read that in the old days, circumcision for Jews consisted in removing much less than it does today, and that this changed in the 19th century, going to the present practice of removing fully the covering of the glans.