Teacher seducing minor students and pupils

I know what I know and consensual sex is consensual sex, especially if the younger party is a boy. I refuse to believe a normal (not retarded) boy is harmed in any way.

If a 30 year old nurse sees a 16 year old boy on their own consensual terms, it's fine.

I really doubt it is the sexual acts in and of themselves that have much potential for any kind of harm. It is more how one's social environment reacts to them that is the real cause of any potential harm. Meaning that by shaming people or acting and reacting as if sexual acts are harmful or problematical, then an almost self-fulfilling prophecy is created. Then the harm results from breaking a social norm/axiom (and being found out), not from the act itself. And since most social norms are arbitrary and not absolute, who is to say what is best in an individual situation? It's up to those personally involved, not society to judge.

In other words, by simply stating that sex in such a situation is harmful, then it will become harmful because of how people around you act, should it become known.

This is a kind of discussion that some decades or half a century ago, might have been about interracial or gay sexual relations. Back then the social axioms would certainly have been set to 'dangerous/harmful/unwise/to be avoided at all costs' ...

Observations on this: all of the high publicity female teacher cases have attractive female teachers. All the coverage has lurid details about where/when/what occurred. These articles are nothing more than titilation. It's like the South Park episode on it. Every guy reading it is going 'nice!' and all the over-protective soccer moms are going 'stay away from my baby you dirty little whore!' because of course no women is EVER good enough for our sons and while we really can't object to sweet little Suzy from down the street this gives us permission to channel all that fear of some other woman taking our baby away into a socially acceptable format. It's win/win for the news outlet.

My limited exposure to cases like this indicates that a high percentage of these are gay - lesbian contacts. Since this probably excludes the "it's what the boys want" reasoning for those cases, I wonder if people have different feelings for those instances where the sexual contact is a same sex contact.

Nurse Phillips

You are right - in Germany parents overprotecting the children are called the "helicopter parents".

My limited exposure to cases like this indicates that a high percentage of these are gay - lesbian contacts. Since this probably excludes the "it's what the boys want" reasoning for those cases, I wonder if people have different feelings for those instances where the sexual contact is a same sex contact.

That's not what I have seen in the news.

The relationships I have seen are almost all heterosexual, not homosexual.

The relationships I have seen are almost all heterosexual, not homosexual.

Jerry Sandusky excluded of course 😃

Jerry Sandusky excluded of course 😃

I don't remember how old the boys were. He is just one teacher/coach.

Were they college aged or school children?

Ricini you really started a fire with this topic. The responses have been fascinating! We also have the expression helicopter parents.

Were they college aged or school children?

He liked little boys, as young as 10 or 12. A real pervert.

He should go to jail--and he did.

It happens everywhere and always has. Nothing is a more fundamental drive for humans (or any other creature) than to preserve the species. But humans put limits on it. We're supposed to avoid victimizing (for want of a better word) those of us who are more vulnerable, like minor children. Those are the rules, in the U.S. and every other civilized county on earth. Some transgress, whether because they're predators or just give in to a moment of weakness or passion. We reserve a special stigma for professionals (teachers, doctors, nurses, law enforcement) because they have a fiduciary obligation to protect those in their charge. So in my view, any of these who take advantage of minor children deserve what they get, even though I understand how it can happen.

My limited exposure to cases like this indicates that a high percentage of these are gay - lesbian contacts. Since this probably excludes the "it's what the boys want" reasoning for those cases, I wonder if people have different feelings for those instances where the sexual contact is a same sex contact.

That doesn't rhyme with the cases I've read about. I fear that by adding a homosexual component it is mainly meant to rile up readers even more.

And besides, even if there are gay elements, who's to say that isn't what both wants?

To suggest that the vast majority of these cases are homosexual denigrates the reality of the cases mentioned. As others have said, the misuse of the teacher pupil relationship is just not appropriate. To think otherwise is just sophistry.

I was asked in a personal message if I really believed sex between a student and teacher was alright or if I was just being an agent provocateur.

Here is my reply:

From a political/grading/favoritism standpoint it isn't right because it gives an unfair grading advantage to the student.

From a consensual sexual personal relationship standpoint, I don't see any problem between a teacher and student, especially a male student and female teacher or female student and female teacher. I'm a little more suspicious of male teachers having sex with female or male students. I know it's a double standard.

The problems may result of the imagination of the majority of the parents expecting that all the teachers in a school are obliged to protect and to save their childs from all sorts of evil in the world. Regarding the fact that for the greatest part of the adults sex is a special sort of evil and allowed exclusively in the marriage every female teacher having sex with students and pupils - even in the case that this will be consensual - is the personification of the evil and so this person ought to be punished severely.

^^^^ Because most parents are not too bright and emotionally weak, what you say is probably true.

Susie,

Your standards are the same and you are consistent with your thinking so I respect that. I just differ on opinion.

And I find plenty of inappropriate jokes funny as long as I know the person means well overall and is just doing it because s/he knows it's inappropriate. Does anyone remember Gilbert Gottfried's joke where everyone yelled, "too soon!" People weren't even upset about the content, just the timing!

B

^^^^ Because most parents are not too bright and emotionally weak, what you say is probably true.

And because it is so ridiculously easy to scare parents into believing just about anything that might potentially harm their offspring. Concoct a story about but not limited to drugs, juvenile delinquency, bad company, wrong friends, lurkers and peeping-toms, potential kidnappers, Commies, hippies, free thinking teachers, porn and sex ... and voila, you can get the average parent shivering in their beds at night afraid it will happen to their kid.

Nurse Phillips, I agree with you about the media. It is all a business and they are trying to sell sensation. Sadly, I think the term "media ethics" has become an oxymoron.

Say what, Ricini? Most people regard sex as evil? Where did you get that information? In my experience as a physician that is patently not true. Most people enjoy sex for the pleasure that it is. We certainly have few enough pleasures in this vail of tears. To suggest that people regard sex as an even necessary evil is just misinformed. As for punishing those who commit these transgressions, remember that it's an illness not the crime of the century. Compared to rape and murder it's little more than a walk in the park.

Say what, Ricini? Most people regard sex as evil? Where did you get that information? In my experience as a physician that is patently not true. Most people enjoy sex for the pleasure that it is. We certainly have few enough pleasures in this vail of tears. To suggest that people regard sex as an even necessary evil is just misinformed.

I think having such an opinion depends on your background, in what kind of social group you were raised. Certainly Fundamentalists of any persuasion (Evangelical or Muslim) have an awful problem with sex - for them it is propitiatory and done for procreation, pleasure doesn't usually enter the equation and that equates very quickly with being evil.

And you have to admit that, as a group, they are loud-mouthed enough to spread their opinions far and wide around the world.

Agracier I disagree. Such groups may say that sex is just for procreation but in my experience this is just lip service. Some of the most vociferously verbal people who condemn sex have the most prurient minds.

Liquidsky

You will have to distinguish: Indeed, inwards most people enjoy sex for the pleasure, in which form this will possible, but outwards exactly the same people insist on strict rules upon the sex life as essential for the survival of the mankind.

I think having such an opinion depends on your background, in what kind of social group you were raised. [color=#000000][b]Certainly Fundamentalists of any persuasion (Evangelical or Muslim) have an awful problem with sex - for them it is propitiatory and done for procreation, pleasure doesn't usually enter the equation and that equates very quickly with being evil.[/b][/color]

And you have to admit that, as a group, they are loud-mouthed enough to spread their opinions far and wide around the world.

[color=#000000]That's DEFINITELY NOT the case. The christian evangelicals and fundamentalist muslims do not have a problem with sex. They just SAY they do and are just hypocrites to the tenth power. They love everything about sex that we perverts love having to do iwth sex AND MORE. They are more perverted than us![/color]

See this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6X_r0grY5o

That's DEFINITELY NOT the case. The christian evangelicals and fundamentalist muslims do not have a problem with sex. They just SAY they do and are just hypocrites to the tenth power. They love everything about sex that we perverts love having to do iwth sex AND MORE. They are more perverted than us!

Well, I agree that they are over-sexed, sneaky, hypocritical, sanctimonious pricks and that they probably fool around and fornicate on the sly to quite a great degree. But in my book if they have to lie and think up silly Biblical justifications for it, then by golly they sure do have a problem with sex. Meaning it ends up becoming an unhealthy obsession. Listen to some of them rant on about how rape isn't really rape, or their obsession with banning sex-ed or how they rave on and on and on about gay sex. They have more sex on their minds than the members here.

So OK, I'll grant that they engage in sex, and they must get some kind of satisfaction out of it. But it is definitely very unhealthy as attitudes go, guilt-ridden and probably full of shame.

So OK, I'll grant that they engage in sex, and they must get some kind of satisfaction out of it. But it is definitely very unhealthy as attitudes go, guilt-ridden and probably full of shame.

I doubt it, not behind closed doors. They just want the rest of the world to believe what they SAY, not what they do.

Oh Susie you've got a wild hair today don't you? I'm always amused though.

Too bad I won't be able to continue for a couple of days, we're going out of town, not far, to NYC for the weekend so we don't have to drive back and forth. The girls will have the house.

The next article upon this subject from a German newspaper:

http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/weltgeschehen/article143854511/Sex-mit-Schuelern-Lehrerin-muss-fuer-30-Jahre-in-Haft.html

The next article upon this subject from a German newspaper:http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/weltgeschehen/article143854511/Sex-mit-Schuelern-Lehrerin-muss-fuer-30-Jahre-in-Haft.html

30 years jail? For crying out loud...get sex involved and they go apeshit. War criminals often get punished less harshly than this. And under Sharia law she would have probably been made to marry the student and (try to) live happily ever after..