Teacher seducing minor students and pupils

After this report in a German paper:

http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article143661121/Lehrerin-verfuehrt-Schueler-und-muss-22-Jahre-in-Haft.html

I have searched for other articles upon this subject. To my surprise I have found a lot of these ones, for here in Germany this problem does not exist in such an extent: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3109796/After-shocking-confession-colleague-former-teacher-asks-women-teachers-seducing-boy-pupils.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3141870/A-female-teacher-seducing-boy-isn-t-just-laugh-s-cruel-abuse-says-RACHEL-JOHNSON.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2739997/Woman-home-tutor-seduced-boy-13-teaching-session-abusing-regular-sex-sessions-two-years.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/583385/Anna-Lakey-jailed-sex-teenage-boys

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2162441/posts

http://ynaija.com/female-teacher-banned-for-trying-to-seduce-15-year-old-student-pictured/

What do you know upon the reason behind of this special form of a misuse?

I know that this a problem widespread in the western and probably entire world. I can't believe that Germany is excluded from this. I think it is a human problem and not confined to the UK and the U.S.

I don't know if I'd agree that it's a widespread problem. After all, if you consider the millions of students that are in school around the world on any given day, it's inevitable that you'll end up with several cases of someone in authority trying to abuse their power. It's certainly something that we should try to stop but I wouldn't call it widespread.

As to why this happens? It's the same reason why it happens to children outside of school, from an acquaintance, or even family members. I think it's primarily a control thing, with someone in authority exerting their control and influence over a younger mind -- but hormones have a part in it as well -- providing the children with a desire to engage in some kind of sexual activity.

I know from comparable cases here in Germany, but there exists the essential difference that the female teacher will not seduce miner students and pupils but in contrast to this this will be a consensual sex with students and pupils being at least 18 years old. Even in the case when a female teacher will be really mad about sex she should be cold-blooded in such a degree that the female teacher knows always that certain laws ought to be observed consequently, this in order to avoid any form of a trouble.

Given how it's a far from uncommon theme in literature and story telling that youngsters get a crush and more on their teachers, it shouldn't be that surprising that the opposite also happens. But I seriously doubt it is a very widespread problem. Some countries have become hypersensitive to any kind of goings-on of this sort, or of anything much to do with sexuality in general.

I have vague recollections of old 'Our Gang' shorts from the 1930s in which male pupils (wasn't it usually Alfalfa?) fall in love with their (strikingly beautiful) female teachers and apparently back then it was all thought to be oh so very cute. Of course it's not the same as a teacher trying to seduce a pupil, but the dynamic is similar and so were the age differences.

There is hardly a day that goes by where there isn't a story on the news about this.

What I don't understand is when a female teacher has sex with a boy and the teacher gets in trouble because the boy's parents found out.

IT'S THE BOY'S DREAM TO HAVE SEX WITH HIS TEACHER not so much for many girls, though.

It's Alfalfa and Darla.

What I don't understand is when a female teacher has sex with a boy and the teacher gets in trouble because the boy's parents found out.

Whether it's the boys dream to have sex with a teacher or not is really irrelevant. The boy is (likely) a minor and doesn't yet know right from wrong. The teacher is an adult, is supposed to know right from wrong, and also has a (somewhat) fiduciary responsibility to watch out for the well being of the child.

I hope you're not trying to blame the victim?

Once again Jimmy and Agracier have said it all more articulately than I could. I think that the sensational coverage of this in the UK and the U.S. has more to do with the climate of the times here. The national interest in child abuse from the Catholic church has sensitized us to this issue. I agree that it is probably rare but I think it must occur world wide but isn't widely publicized elsewhere. Perhaps the sexual emancipation of women makes the unusual reversal more likely in this part of the world. Child abuse is a general human problem though in all countries.

There was a major case this past year in the US where a female teacher seduced a high school student and teachers and administrators heard about it, but didn't report it, The teacher was arrested, of course, but so were school's principal and vice principal for failing to report the incident. Several administrators, including an assistant superintendent, lost their jobs and the district superintendent resigned. This has become a problem all over the US and even in the state where this one incident occurred, several other cases were uncovered this same year.

Where it's sexual harassment in the workplace, or taking advantage of children under your care, this is a real problem that needs to be addressed.

Whether it's the boys dream to have sex with a teacher or not is really irrelevant. The boy is (likely) a minor and doesn't yet know right from wrong. The teacher is an adult, is supposed to know right from wrong, and also has a (somewhat) fiduciary responsibility to watch out for the well being of the child.

I hope you're not trying to blame the victim?

Honestly, I don't think either is a victim.

The boy/teenager wants it, so does the teacher.

If no one is forced to do it, it sounds like a win-win situation.

IT'S THE BOY'S DREAM TO HAVE SEX WITH HIS TEACHER not so much for many girls, though.

It's Alfalfa and Darla.

Right, Alfalfa and Darla were the perennial couple. Maybe it was the older Our Gangs I was thinking of, with Jimmy Cougan or whatever the actors name was.

When I was old enough to start entertaining sexual fantasies, I never had a female teacher anymore. I was at an all male (Jesuit and lay) teachers and all boys school. No opportunities for that kind of stuff. So I never really experienced that.

In my school at the time it was always the jokes about watching out for the priests - when going to confession in private ... like in the scene in 'Souffle au Coeur' when Laurent is called to confession and a pupil calls out 'Don't forget the Vaseline' and that remark doesn't even draw much attention from the attending teacher. All considered sort of normal apparently ...

Honestly, I don't think either is a victim. The boy/teenager wants it, so does the teacher. If no one is forced to do it, it sounds like a win-win situation.

It's not a win-win. The teacher has power; the student doesn't. In the situation I referred to, the teacher took advantage of a student living in a group home. She threatened to fail him if he didn't "cooperate". I see no difference between that and a situation where a woman puts her career / job / marriage at risk if she doesn't agree to her superior's demands for sex.

I didn't read the articles--too many links. The student certainly could have complained about her advances. These things are a daily occurrence on the tv and news channels I watch. I agree with you that a teenager living in a group home is probably not going to have all his or her faculties intact and that he could be taken advantage of. In the usual high school situations, the people usually annoyed are the parents, not the students.

It seems to me that any sexual contact would transfer all the power to the student. The student has little to lose if it is made public and the teacher can lose everything. I think I would have enjoyed such a situation for both the sex and the power. Alas, no such opportunity was ever available. Can not understand the mental state of a teacher that would foster that behavior in the face of such risk.

It seems to me that any sexual contact would transfer all the power to the student. The student has little to lose if it is made public and the teacher can lose everything.

Very good point. Indeed, why would a teacher risk everything just because they're horny?

If this had happened to me I would have been the happiest pupil on planet earth. Consensual sex means both parties agree.........lets get on with it. I do not know a male that has not had this fantasy; if you are male and say you have not had the fantasy then you probably tell people you do not masturbate.

A judge in Ocala, Florida, after a DA went on and on about how the boy had been harmed, told the DA that was not true.

I think females probably are more fragile, but other females here know more about that than I do. For the male students..............live your fantasy and be happy (do not discuss it with anyone).

I tIt seems to me that any sexual contact would transfer all the power to the student. The student has little to lose if it is made public and the teacher can lose everything. I think I would have enjoyed such a situation for both the sex and the power. Alas, no such opportunity was ever available. Can not understand the mental state of a teacher that would foster that behavior in the face of such risk.

Thank you

Very good point. Indeed, why would a teacher risk everything just because they're horny?

Thank you

If this had happened to me I would have been the happiest pupil on planet earth. Consensual sex means both parties agree.........lets get on with it. I do not know a male that has not had this fantasy; if you are male and say you have not had the fantasy then you probably tell people you do not masturbate.. . . . I think females probably are more fragile, but other females here know more about that than I do. For the male students..............live your fantasy and be happy (do not discuss it with anyone).

Thank you.

I always knew it was a boy's fantasy and dream to have sex with his teacher.

There are no victims when it is consensual. It's clearly a win-win, especially for the boys.

There are many cultures where teenage boys are brought (often by their fathers) to prostitutes to lose their virginity.

Teenage boys having consensual sex with teachers is no big deal.

IT'S WHAT THEY WANT.

There are many cultures where teenage boys are brought (often by their fathers) to prostitutes to lose their virginity.

My father often hinted at this, sort of jokingly or maybe despairingly for me being something of a wimp when young ... of course, being in the Merchant Marine all his life it was not all that abnormal behavior or thinking given the proclivities of seamen and their subculture ... ha ha.

It never happened though and might have been somewhat embarrassing an experience being brought by your father to a brothel ... maybe being given the means to pay and steered in the right direction to a good address would have been better ... but that never happened though ...

It's always been a taboo fantasy. In today's social and legal climate, the consequences for both parties can be life-destroying.

If the teacher and student truly have the hots for each other, it's better to wait until the student is of legal age and no longer a pupil. Better yet, wait until the student turns 18 and has graduated. Then, you're golden. When and if word gets out, or if you're spotted together, people may whisper and make snide remarks, but neither school administrators or the law can touch you then.

What does everyone think about a doctor or nurse having a sexual relationship with a patient?

Sorry to be a buzz kill with reality but, as for this scenario discussed here, the real deal is that it's not the victimless crime people think it is nor is the student "lucky." That attitude is based on gender stereotypes and not evidence. Here is an article that explains it:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/21/us-usa-crime-teachers-idUSKBN0NC14H20150421

Also, regardless of what you believe about this, if a teacher is willing to risk her license, career and family for this, what does that say about her judgment? Should a person with this type of judgment or lack of self control be teaching?

It's always been a taboo fantasy. In today's social and legal climate, the consequences for both parties can be life-destroying.

If the teacher and student truly have the hots for each other, it's better to wait until the student is of legal age and no longer a pupil. Better yet, wait until the student turns 18 and has graduated. Then, you're golden. When and if word gets out, or if you're spotted together, people may whisper and make snide remarks, but neither school administrators or the law can touch you then.

It's only life destroying for the teacher, especially when the teacher is female and the student is a boy, but if consensual, there are no victims--only purported victims.

Nobody wants to wait until anybody is older--they want it now.

The article mentioned in bnyc's post mentions Saturday Night Live's skit on teacher student sex. SNL is a comedy show and I saw that skit--IT WAS HILARIOUS. Not to think so is to not have a sense of humor. Most all child abuse "experts" are shrinks and social workers that are full of shit.

For a physician to have sex with his patient is considered very unethical and it can provoke medical board action leading to loss of license. For those couples who actually genuinely want to see one another the doc must formally discharge the patient from his practice and wait an appropriate amount of time. I don't know about nurses and their patients.

Regarding the reports It looks like a special problem of Great Britain and the United States. Is it possible that this one has something to do with the widespread puritanism there, unknown in continental Europe?

Ricini, as I said previously, I simply don't believe this behavior is confined to the U.S. and UK. I just think it is reported here more.

Liquidsky

No, for here in central Europe the organization of the schools distinguishes from this one in the USA: Normal state schools are not organized as boarding schools, exclusively state special schools for example for the education of the apprentices for the service in a hotel are boarding schools, but there exist exclusively male teachers. So, in normal state schools female teachers have not the possibility to get it together with pupils outside the teaching. Naturally, in surplus in central Europe there exist private boarding schools with male and female teachers, but it is well known that the supervision in the private boarding schools is very strict.

Suzy, you left out law enforcement that also thinks this is wrong. As for social work and shrinkery (for lack of a better term, lol) and also law enforcement, ideally, should be based on research and evidence. Science is not just microscopes and cells, it's a process of analyzing evidence in a critical manner. So, if research is conducted and it turns out that, despite common beliefs and stereotypes, that event does in fact harm teenage boys, then it's not bullshit. The point is that a 15 year old boy may biologically and impulsively want to do it but, when he gets older or even right after, is psychologically or emotionally damaged by it. Also, sense of humor is completely subjective. There are people who think violent rape jokes and dead baby jokes are funny. I'm not saying one way or the other, I'm just saying that humor is very subjective.

I'm curious, what would you say about a 30 year old nurse who sees a 16 year old male patient. The teenage boy makes advances on the nurse. She doesn't respond there but goes on social media, finds him, asks him out and then has sex with him. Stereotyped fetish fantasies about having sex with nurses are probably as common as teachers. What do you think?

Liquid, the same that is true for doctors is supposed to be true for teachers. I think they are supposed to wait until the student graduates plus at least a year or two and then they can get together. I would have to look it up to be sure but I think it's something like that.

^^^ When a young males hormones are running amuck the repercussions of "getting off" with a teacher fantasy don't even enter the equation...If that option presents.....young man meets older hot woman on the sly....in their eyes it's a done deal--also subjective.

For what it's worth, back when I was in high school there happened to be one of my own female teachers (2 actually)...that did go down the "dirty deed" path....However this one in particular was known to have had a very steamy relationship with one of the older boys doing his final year...There was not one friend amongst my group that didn't lust over her....in fact envied the lucky bastard...we all wished we could be in his situation...er her panties !!

One thing that stood out (apart from hard cocks) was she always dressed smartly...sometimes provocatively...chose superb nose candy--. perfumes that is....wore titillating feminine underwear (that's really worth a story in itself...lol)....always composed...approachable when & if her charges struggled.....never treated her class like children....when truth be told she was F*****G HOT !!...just watching her move about that classroom in a wickedly form fitting skirt was poetry in motion & there would have hardly been one boy that would not have loved to screw her stupid.

Her reputation was not sullied because everyone kept their mouth's shut.

Loose lips sink ships !!

Hi That,

That is an interesting story. However, I still don't trust professionals in serious professions with boundaries that poor. Loose lips may sink ships but poor boundaries cause major problems and possible harm. I also think that we look back on our past through biased lenses. That's my 2 cents.

Suzy, you left out law enforcement that also thinks this is wrong. As for social work and shrinkery (for lack of a better term, lol) and also law enforcement, ideally, should be based on research and evidence. Science is not just microscopes and cells, it's a process of analyzing evidence in a critical manner. So, if research is conducted and it turns out that, despite common beliefs and stereotypes, that event does in fact harm teenage boys, then it's not bullshit. The point is that a 15 year old boy may biologically and impulsively want to do it but, when he gets older or even right after, is psychologically or emotionally damaged by it. Also, sense of humor is completely subjective. There are people who think violent rape jokes and dead baby jokes are funny. I'm not saying one way or the other, I'm just saying that humor is very subjective.

I'm curious, what would you say about a 30 year old nurse who sees a 16 year old male patient. The teenage boy makes advances on the nurse. She doesn't respond there but goes on social media, finds him, asks him out and then has sex with him. Stereotyped fetish fantasies about having sex with nurses are probably as common as teachers. What do you think?

I'm not getting into what law enfarcement (not a typo) and shrinks think. Most of them are full of shit in all regards. I know what I know and consensual sex is consensual sex, especially if the younger party is a boy. I refuse to believe a normal (not retarded) boy is harmed in any way.

If a 30 year old nurse sees a 16 year old boy on their own consensual terms, it's fine.

There ARE funny dead baby and rape jokes. THEY ARE JOKES.