Cramps and Enemas

I have an in-line Higginson pump in my hose running up to my Klystra 4 qt. bag. If I get a cramp, it is often caused by the water not moving up, just outward. I pinch the hose to stop the flow, wait 30 sec. and squeeze the bulb to push the water past the spasm, or turn in the colon. That usually works well and I can continue to take more water. Cold water (like the pediatrician told our moms to give us for high fevers as kids) hurt a lot. So does too strong a soap solution and delivery too fast and air in the hose.

I'm in the like to cramp camp. I've never been given an enema. I give them to myself.

I have found that I have trouble getting rid of all of the fluid if it's not an irritating solution.

I like pain too. So I hang the bag high, use peppermint soap, and lately a plug to retain as long as possible. followed by a small rinse with salt water.

Sunedee, you should try someone to give you the enemas. Holding you while you try to get the whole of it and holding high the bag. It adds embarrassment to pain.

Additionally painful exams will be a good fantasy/erotic activity to fullfill your dreams. In my opinion....

Guess I am just a quitter when it comes to cramps. If a cramp comes, I just stop everything and try to continue (after a minute or two) whether I have taken 1/2 qt or 1 or whatever. After the second cramp it is time to quit completely and expel. I am not into the pain thing when it comes to cramps. Might have been because when I was an early teen I had them that would double me up and then have a hospital stay and a B-E.

I take enemas for the wonderful & erotic feeling they give me, and of course the added benefit of getting a good "clean out" at the same time. Experiencing cramps during an enema would have absolutely no appeal to me whatsoever. As they say, "Each to his/her own".........but not me.

I had what was called spastic colon back in the 60's and IBS now. Fortunately I've had no attacks since age 30, now 64+, but between age 12 and 30 I'd get cramping so bad it was all I could do to lie in a fetal position and rub my abdomen without falling on the floor. I finally got on some medication which made it less frequent, but perhaps because of that I'm not a fan of enema cramps. Unless I want to try some new mixture, I almost always use normal saline just because it's least likely to cause significant cramping for me. That way I can do my usual 2.5-3 quarts or even up to 4 or 5 q and just enjoy all the filling and retaining sensations.

Eric

Yeah, Eric: My wife has had bad IBS all her life. Back in the 60's, about the only drugs that helped it were the Donnatol-type liquids that had hyoscine, bella donna alkaloids, etc., taken by mouth. Later, drugs like Anaspaz came out and work far better, but still have heavy anticholinergic side effects.

My lady lets me try warm tap water enemas on her to get spasm relief and they do help her. She takes Anaspaz an hour before taking a bag and can usually take at least 1.5 qts. What our usual routine is now, she lets me give her a 16 oz. bulb of tap water, expels it, then takes a second bulb; that gets her through the work day. She sees NOTHING erotic about any of it.

Lifelong IBS has caused her to develop internal hemorrhoids and a fissure. She's had 2 BaE's, 2 colonoscopies and a flex. sig., all of which showed a normal LOOKING colon; not a normal FUNCTIONING colon. I liken IBS to asthma; hypersensitive nerve endings in the bronchus and in the same thing in the colon; "twitchy" nerves.

Tap water is enough of an irritant to IBS people, that they never need any soap. They do well on normal saline and NaHCO3, but the bicarb can get stuck sometimes.

Jimmy,

Sorry about your wife and her PITA colon. The only symptoms I ever really had were those colossal abdominal cramps from age 12 to 30. They were completely debilitating and extremely painful, but at least I never had any associated diarrhea or constipation, "just cramps." I was on oral Donnatal for a short time, but haven't needed anything for 30+ years now, fingers crossed. The IBS landed little me in the hospital for my first full week of seventh grade for tests and BE's, which only showed some minor tics. Every now and again these days I'll get a vaguely crampy feeling down low which makes me wonder if it's coming back, but so far they just dissipate. Otherwise since 30 I've had pretty normal bowel function, and with the exception of not really liking cramps except for minor ones, I've been thoroughly enjoying enemas since I was a teen. What are your wife's daily bulb clean outs for? Does she have trouble emptying normally, or does it give her fewer cramps over the next 24 hrs? Not that I would mind the enemas, but it would be an inconvenience to have to take them every day for me, more crossed fingers. In some senses, your twitchy nerve scenario makes sense, as the bowel is so heavily innervated. I had always thought my attacks were triggered by some major life stressor, like starting the 7th grade or going to my age 30 reunion with friends I hadn't seen in ages, as I felt less accomplished than they. I got through my college 25th reunion with no cramps, age 47. I have tried a few bicarbonate enemas and they've been just as soothing as plain saline.

Perhaps my fairly extreme sensitivity to repeated or even slightly irritating enemas (I was about debilitated with strong urges and cramping until I expelled my first 10% glycerine enema) relates to sub clinical IBS lying mostly dormant now. 5% was no problem, with just a lot of "grumbling" and gas/liquid movements without frank cramps. It was actually enjoyable.

Eric

Some amount of cramping is just the way enemas are. Nothing you can do about it.

In fact, in situations where I could not say "Enema" without creating a scene, I even texted my husband and referred to my 3-qt bag amd the hose, and nozzle as "Cramping Gear"

Growing up I always had cramps with an enema, since my mom hung the bag too high and never let the air out of the hose. She did not mean to hurt me, it was just ignorance. She gave herself an enema in the exact same fashion. Bag hung 5 feet above the floor and with air in the line.

Cramps are the best part, clearly 😉

Cramping is not needed for an effective. Enemas producing cramps are wonderful for training purposes. Having used Susie's rough ride enema recipes to enforce paradigms my husband knows the limits. Just mentioning that infractions of rules results in his going for a rough ride will straighten him out. Wonderful that not all rules can be followed.

Enemas cramping or non cramping are a wonder training tool!

Occasionally I enjoy a little cramping and will add a little soap to the mix. Today I was in the cramp mood. After a nice 2 qt plain water enema I took a 2.5 qt very warm enema with 2 full teaspoons of peppermint soap. I very much enjoyed the moderate cramping, and feel so empty and relaxed right now.

I do not experience cramps in all my enemas but they are a part of some of the enemas. When a soapsuds enema is really needed there is usually some cramping and I have always experienced cramps associated with a milk and molasses enema.

Janet S

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Depends on solution, volume, what's already in my guts and how cooperative my colon is that day. I don't intentionally go for cramps, but then again I don't try to avoid at all costs. If I cramp I cramp, and I can tolerate it - fixing the problem is worth it several times over. I don't know what my opinion would be on cramps for a sensual/sexual enema - haven't quite gotten there yet, but if I do I'll be interested to find out.

My "best" enemas are when I get rapid and smooth peristalsis that moves everything out quickly and relatively comfortably, although I often do have some light cramping. It's not a big deal and short duration.

Second best enemas are when it gets pretty crampy but still works well and everything comes out by the second or third enema. I don't love the cramps, but I tolerate them and I like having things working again.

The worst enemas are when the bowel is uncooperative and the enema just trickles out over a couple hours without bringing the crap with it. Usually no cramps, just frustration and feeling bad.

Second worst are when it seems like it's going to be completely uncooperative but either clicks into gear or a second enema gets things moving. Sometimes cramps, sometimes not. Again, the relief more than makes up for any cramps.

The cramps from oral stimulants are something I avoid. You don't know how long they're going to last, you don't know how strong they'll be, and you don't know when things will finally start moving. Enemas are predictable most of the time.

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Yeah, Eric: My wife has had bad IBS all her life. ...

Tap water is enough of an irritant to IBS people, that they never need any soap. They do well on normal saline and NaHCO3, but the bicarb can get stuck sometimes.

Depends on the individual and type of IBS. When my colon goes into a hissy fit and shuts down it's either many tap water enemas (and even that might not work) or much fewer enemas with some irritant (soap, glycerin, bisacodyl) in them. For diarrhoea and cramps a soothing, warm saline and bicarb enema might work better. Fortunately I've never had to try that, and my IBS cramping is comparatively mild and I can pass it off as something else if anyone notices.

I find cramps a necessary part. Mom said you know w the enema is working.

I'll admit I can be a little sadistic and enjoy delivering a little pain, but cramps and or pain with an enema has no bearing on how effectively an enema is working.

Gently administered, cramp free enemas can work just as well.

My mother didn't intentionally cause cramps when giving me enemas. They always happened because I'd be so very constipated, and needed a fairly strong soloution to cause the necessary peristalsis. She tried with less soap, but, in coordination with my doctor, got the dose to what I needed, which caused wonderful, glorious, cry-inducing cramps.

I don't need cramps with enemas, but, i can enjoy them when I have them, even when they are so strong as to cause nausea.

I never got cramps from my enemas from mom but I have noticed the younger females I have given to have had cramps about half the time. Sometimes if you are sliding the nozzle in and out as they take they may take in some air which causes cramping...the only thing is most of them love for you to do them with the nozzle as they take their warm sudsy enema.

I've taken Epsom salt enemas before. It's a rather warm feeling urgency than aches in my gut. Had to squeeze my cheeks to hold it in the shower. Soap feels nice too, it's slick and gently burns after release. Cramps are very erotic to me in the right intensity.

My grandmother would say that if you did not have cramps , the enema was not working. Easy for her to say at the time .

I enjoy the cramps and that is one reason that I use Dr. Bronner's Peppermint Castile Soap. It really causes cramps. But it is such a good feeling when the cramps are over and you know you are empty.

My grand mother also said that. She handed that phrase down to my Mother, who handed it down to my wife. Who still reminds me of it every time she gives me an enema.

Truth of the matter is they are right. The cramps really hurt butt in the end you knew the enema did its job because you felt so much better after it was over.

I'd like a nice mildly crampy enema but no results yet from the Peppermint soap. But I only used it once or twice at about 1 tsp per quart of enema. What do you recommend for a nice mildly crampy Peppermint enema, as in how much per quart?

Eric

Ericmascson:

Try increasing the mixture to one capful per 2 qts. I normally don’t exceed one capful per qt., because it gets too strong.

If you’re experimenting, you may want to try a 1 qt enema at a higher strength first. When it is working as it does for most of the rest of us, it you get too much, you may find the results uncomfortable.

You can also try injecting some full strength with a small bulb syringe and you’ll get an idea how you feel about more strength. You can also keep the action confined to your rectum where you can quickly flush it should you not like the results.

Cheers,

Jag

In my admittedly rather extensive enema experience, I have found that water temperature has a lot to do with cramps, as well as, soap strength.

If I’m using Dr. Bonner’s Peppermint Castile soap at any significant strength, or in my case, more than a capful per two quarts, it doesn’t matter how hot the water is, there will be cramps or as I refer to them as intestinal convulsions. That’s one of the things that I like about PCS, are the predictable results.

If I take a two quart plain water enema that’s all hotwater100F or higher, I never have cramps. If I start with a 100F+ enema and then change to a lower temperature (< 100F) I will generally induce some sort of mild to medium cramps. I’ve had similar results with Colonics. When they lower the water temperature some to a lot of cramping occurs depending upon the temperature change.

If I start with cold water I will have cramps and if I change over to hot water during the enema, as soon as the water temperature warms a little, the cramps dissipate.

A little finessing with the water temperature can change your entire enema experience depending upon what you’re looking for.

I'd like a nice mildly crampy enema but no results yet from the Peppermint soap. But I only used it once or twice at about 1 tsp per quart of enema. What do you recommend for a nice mildly crampy Peppermint enema, as in how much per quart?

Eric

Supposedly the "official" dose of castile is about 9mL per liter, or about 2 teaspoons per quart. A capful of the quart bottles is about 9mL.

I use the Bronner's peppermint sometimes in my enemas (am I one of the few here who actually uses it for washing in the shower?), and 1 capful per 2-2.5 quarts is pretty mild, but up that to 2 capfuls (2 tespons per quart) and your enema gets down to business much more rapidly.

Ericmason - just took an enema with the 2tsp/quart ratio of Bronner's peppermint (2.5 quarts solution). Had to try out my new double balloon nozzle, and thought I'd try something a bit stronger but close to known. Had a goal of 5 min retention. Definitely some stuff in the colon, but not really constipated yet.

Yep, the stronger soapsuds does make a big difference. Usually I get an urge, but this one had me curling my toes with the cramps - 4 or so times during the injection and 5 minute retention. Note that I had put something in my stomach about 30 mins before taking the enema (eating or drinking something right when you wake up is supposed to help with IBS-C), so that triggered some peristalsis as well and the enema might not have been as potent without that.

I never take an enema when I have a meal on my stomach. I did that one time and started having cramps, which triggered nausea and then I knew I was in trouble. I wound up yanking out the nozzle and jumping into the tub just in case all hell broke loose, which it did.

Later I spent about an hour scrubbing all the unbelievable yuck out of the bath tub, but was glad the mess had been contained.