I'm puzzled Dianne that you should feel that you mostly disagree with what I said. Reading through but yours and my posts I cannot see that we disagree on anything at all! We actually do disagree on one point, the use of vibrators, but as that is in another recent post of mine it's hardly for discussion here. Luv ya really!
Your post, is like mine, full-some and in order to properly reply I've had to print off both of them. I had hoped that readers would refer to my Blog, "Cumming - ready or not", for my views on various points. Maybe open the page of my Blog I referred to. Taking this in your paragraph order I would draw your attention to how, in fact, we agree.
Para. 1. The 'thank you Ma'am, roll over and sleep' syndrome.
Well, my post was about just one aspect, that of whether or not a woman making a noise aided a true orgasm or not. I believe I said that it did - but that it was only a part of 'letting go'. I referred to the need for privacy, lack of which severely inhibits most people. Clearly you don't worry about that, which is admirable but over here in the UK it is a ground for eviction from social housing (state provided housing), or hotels, to disturb neighbours who hear noises of sexual activity! Sad, but absolutely true!
In my post, and in my Blog, I touch upon the matter of the physical penalties for women, of incomplete orgasms, especially if it is ongoing. I'm sorry to hear that such affected you but you were lucky in that you recognised it and got out of the situation. I also said that, recognised or not, it was the cause of many relationship breakdowns. By your testimony it is clear that this happened to you. To quote from my Blog -"
The first thing to understand is that men generally come to climax far quicker than women. This gives rise to the familiar picture of the man rolling over and going to sleep. As far as Mother Nature is concerned the job is done! Not so for the woman who begins to think ‘is that all there is to it’? If that realization dawns, what can be done about it?
Well, in my practice I encounter a lot of this disparity between the sexes. My maxim, somewhat basically stated is, that the trouser fly stays zipped up or the pyjama cord stays tied, until the woman has orgasmed. Now that’s simplistic of course, they are probably in bed and he hasn’t got his trousers on. But what it means is that the man must recognize the disparity in arousal times and take steps to even this up".
Para. 2. In many cases it is of course basic ignorance on the part of the man - sometimes it's simply a don't care attitude. But in all cases it is a matter of communication, something which is lacking in such a relationship. You, rightly, make sure that your man knows where he stands, or lies down, in the matter - but sometimes neither the man or woman even know that things aren't right - I allude to the oft repeated "is that all there is about it then?", when realisation fails to dawn on them!
Para. 4. I'm pretty sure that I didn't say it was OK to fake noise or responses. I'm sorry if I gave the impression that it was, or that it would of itself solve the problem. Clearly it won't because in doing so a woman isn't 'letting go'. In fact it's the opposite in that she concentrates on that to the exclusion of anything else.
Para. 6. Oh I love what you say in this paragraph - about faking not having orgasms to encourage him to go for multiples. Yes, you joke about it and no harm in that. Sure, a man should want to make sure a woman is sated, however many orgasms that takes, but we're back here with 'communication', or lack thereof. To quote from my Blog again - "One of the best ways is that he brings her to orgasm either manually or orally. Then it’s his turn and the very great likelihood is that she will orgasm again". OK - he probably isn't a superman who can get it up ten times in an hour - we men are mainly 'one shot wonders' you know!
But he does have a tongue, fingers, toes and other means at his disposal which do continue to work after he cums and there is no excuse for not employing them - but how many women are confident enough to remind him of this - expressing their need? It's too late when he has rolled over - you both need to talk about this NOW! Communication, again?
Para 7. Yes, many women, rather than some women, are inhibited - 'not knowing what a true orgasm feels like' but no, it's not her fault, or her being deceptive. How can it be her fault and how can she be deceptive if she knows no different? Yes, the media images constantly presented are indeed largely to blame here but also porn is a major contributor. One of the major dislikes I have about porn videos is the pulling out 'jus a la moment critique', for the money shot - on her belly or bottom! It merely reinforces the assumed and alleged 'supremacy' of the male in the minds of both man and women. Sure - facials, or cumming on other parts of the body are nice diversions - but diversions are what they should remain and not be the norm. I think responses to the Topic 'Where do you like a man to cum' do, in the main, make it clear what is preferred.
It's true also that a lot of men think that they are 'Gods gift to women' - they are not! - If there is a god then his gift is each to the other -and before I get flamed for it I'll include same sex couples in that too.
This Topic started on the difference making noise during sex might make - and I derailed it by broadening it into the whole issue of being able to let go and let it happen. I don't think it was was necessarily wrong to derail it, but as I said in my post and again at the beginning of this one - 'I believe I said that it did (make a difference) - but that it was only a part of 'letting go'. From then on I did concentrate on the 'making a noise' aspect of inhibition, whilst clearly saying that such was not the whole problem when I said that "it signifies that at least part of ones consciousness is surrendering". The approach to the problem should be a holistic one.
All of what you say Dianne is true - but I still can't see a disagreement! Still luv ya!