Senosides

Which is the difference in cleansing the bowels by taking senosides or by swallowing a good dose castor oil?

My mother used Ex-Lax when it was still phenopthaene She was already gone by the time the formula was changed.

When doing a cleanout I have always made the oral laxative part bisacodyl. One reason, it IS slow acting but kicks in all at once. gives me time to clear the large intestine with however many enemas are needed to do that.

The stomach will have already been cleared by fasting.

so, I really have not experienced senosides. just doesn't fit the way I do things.

I vividly recall the effects of the Movi-prep before my colonoscopy. Very effective at cleaning me out and left nothing in me.

Yes! moviprep is the best like any others saline laxative. For me senosides make many cramps, saline laxative flush you out better and without many cramps 😃

@barb691

What you say about using Senna in an enema is very interesting. Many years ago, there were Senokot suppositories, a similar thing. From what I remember, they were slower acting than Dulcolax and caused less burning, but, if retained long enough, caused a massive, complete bowel emptying, poo The product was probably not a commercial success, since they were expensive, so they disappeared.

There is very little information on senna enemas on the web. They seem to be largely unknown. May I ask if you just injected the solution with a bulb, or did you use a colon tube to get it up high?

I have found it less effective overall than bisacodyl.

Sometime I use x prep..

All bottle inside my belly. If I remember is 150mg of sennosid a + b.

It really clean me out.

Here in the states the new exlac after getting rid of phenolphthalein is senna.

When I was a kid I was given prunes stewed in senna tea as part of a "Spring Cleaning" during the Easter Holidays at my grandparents' home. Once in my teens, after a dose of Pamovin worm tablets, my mother made me drink a full bottle of X-Prep Cathartic. Boy did that stuff ever give me bad cramps and it cleared everything out of my bowels until it felt like I was never going to stop pooping .

X-Prep is meant to clean everything out in one dose. It is about THE most powerful laxative I've ever come across. It even carries a warning about the results you should expect. It is not something to be taken casually. You WILL cramp and poo, likely more than you ever have before.

I had Xprep before my first barium enema at age 15. I took it at like 6 PM and by 10 PM had the worst stomach cramps of my life. It felt like someone was stabbing me in the abdomen and it would never let up. The worst part is that my bowels did not start moving until about 2 AM even though I had a terrible urge to go. However, once it started, I could not leave the bathroom at all. I got no sleep the entire night. Just as the effects of the Xprep started to subside, it was time to start enemas until clear.

@eboyhou

That timing for X-prep sounds about as expected. Senna, the ingredient in X-prep, takes 6-8 hours before the pooing starts.

@barb691

I just found the senna content of Laci Le beau's Super Dieters Tea. Each teabag contains 2g of senna leaf powder, so each tea bag contains about double the maximum daily dose. The average dose is about 1/2g; taken twice a day.

Given this I'd expect, if you drank all the tea from brewing one of the teabags, a strong, pretty crampy, impossible to resist, poo session would follow.

@barb691

After action report.

Well, I tried the Laci Le Beau's Super Dieter's Tea this evening as an enema. I started by boiling a ca 8 Oz glass of water in the microwave, making sure it came to a complete rolling boil, then dropped one of the teabags into the water. Oddly, it bobbed to the surface very quickly, so I weighted it down with a spoon and let it sit for a couple of minutes, then stirred. The water remained clear but soon became quite dark in color. I let it steep for perhaps 15 minutes, as described, then squeezed and removed the tea bag and let the glass cool to comfortably warm. The solution was clear, but colored dark brown.

While it cooled, I prepared my bed for taking the enema with a disposable poo pad and opened the disposable large volume enema bag package. When the solution was comfortably warm, I poured it into the bag, lay down on the bed and started to insert the catheter type nozzle. After about 6" the lube had wiped off so I was not able to get it in further. Big mistake.

When the nozzle was in as far as it would comfortably go, I opened the clamp and the enema went in easily and without any cramping. The small volume was easy to retain and the bag was empty in under a minute. I removed the nozzle and relaxed. For about the first 20 minutes, I felt no urge at all. I didn't even really feel full and had no desire to poo. Just a bit of comforting warmth.

After the enema had been in 20 minutes, I started to feel a mild urge, but nothing I could not retain. By 30 minutes, the urge had become quite strong and I leaked some, so decided it was toilet time. As soon as I got up, the urge became extremely strong, and I leaked some getting to the toilet. Once there I started to poo explosively, passing a lot of liquid poo followed by some more solid. The cramping was strong. The enema was decidedly pretty strong.

In retrospect, with a senna enema, the solution MUST be given high, at least 8" and preferably 12" or more, if you want the best effects. The nozzle or rectal tube must be very well lubricated so it goes in easily. The way I took it didn't get the solution up nearly high enough for a full effect. A retention device would also have been helpful.

I crushed three extra strength Senna tablets, 25mg. each and added them to one liter of warm water. It turned dark brown. Then I filled my 600 ml. cleansing bottle kit attaching its tube to a thin flexible nozzle with a small side hole. This I inserted just far enough into my anus so that the enema wouldn't flow out. I pressed my buttocks tightly around the nozzle and started pumping the enema. The wonderful feeling of the enema squirting through my anus was incredible. I refilled the bottle with warm water and continued pumping until it was empty. Then I lay down on my bed looking at Zity. Soon I started to feel cramps but I wanted to wait until I could no longer hold the enema in. The cramps came and went as I retained an anal vibrator set to produce a series of different vibrations nicely stimulating my prostate as the cramps grew stronger. After about twenty five minutes, I had to go and the enema gushed out as soon as I took my vibrator out. I had no control over the enema expulsion and had a tremendous enemorgasm as I expelled. My girlfriend came over and I gave her the same enema, rubbing her clitty while she retained it. Then she had me lie on my back, inserted the same nozzle and mounted me as she pumped the enema into me. We both love this new cheap, easy to prepare enema.

I have not really seen X-prep in a while. Not since I've been a Mom at least.

Dad says when he worked in a pharmacy in the late 1990s it was one of those items that was sold without prescription but kept behind the counter.

Is that why I'm not seeing it?

Lisa,

I believe that the manufacture of X-Prep has been discontinued and it is no longer available. I well remember taking it before one of my barium enemas in the '80s. It contained a massive dose of senosides and kept me up all night with the worst cramps of my life. Those started hours before it actually began to produce bowel movements.

Do you know HOW MUCH Senosides??

What are the supposed "inactive" ingredients?

In most generic bisacodyl, magnesium hydroxide(The main ingredient in Milk of Magnesia) is listed as an "inactive ingredient," Any similar stealthing on x-prep??

I think it had 130 mg of senosides. A regular exlax tablet has 15.

X-prep had 150mg of senna:

https://www.irisfarma.com/en/product/x-prep-syrup-75ml/

I can't tell if it's still made. My guess it is no longer sold in the US because of limited demand. A full dose of X-prep is about equal to 6 Maximum Strength ExLax (25mg senna per)

It may also have been discontinued because of poor "customer acceptance". Two Extra Strength ExLax can cause a lot of cramping before you start to poo. Six would be a whole lot worse, followed by explosive pooing.

And, it's by no means clear that the person's colon would be squeaky clean. I think a dose of X-prep was often followed by a full bag enema the following morning, before he exam.

When used for a pre-BE cleanse, I suspect they ran something like Magnesium citrate or Phoso Soda into you first. then had you taking that a couple of hours after it took effect

@LisaK

There were no preliminary laxatives ordered before a dose of X-Prep. Just fasting... as I remember for 6 to 8 hours, but am not certain. There was no need.

A full dose of X-Prep is about 3 full adult doses of Maximum Strength ExLax. A single adult dose of ExLax has a powerful laxative effect, almost always with a lot of cramping and urges that cannot be resisted. Resist and a messy accident is all but certain.

X-Prep is much stronger and the effects longer lasting. Nothing happens for several hours after you take it, but when it starts to work, you are going to be pooing for a couple of hours. It's powerful stuff and a single dose will completely clean you out.

Maybe that's the reason they have mostly pulled it off the market!

There seems to be a preference in the medical establishment for two-step process, and a 24 hour fast.

If you can do it with a 12 hour fast and one round maybe THAT's what bothers them!

Even with Suprep the second round only seems to pass the water you drank 20-30 minutes ago. You are returning "pee out the butt" after one round.

I bought some Senna suppositories probably 15+ years ago. I recall them as being dark and sticky, not like a typical suppository. I think the instructions said to use them in the evening and they would work in two hours to overnight. I had a small bm after about four hours. I threw the rest of the package away. Bisacodyl suppositories work much faster for me.

@EmmaJ

The Senokot suppositories were dark brown, but I don't remember sticky. Two hours is about right for the nominal time to work. I think they didn't melt well so were not as potent as might be expected.

Dulcolax produces localized strong cramps, the senna cramping is more gentle, but widespread.

IMO, both Dulvcolax and senna are much more powerful poo makers when given well up high as a small volume enema.

Can say that I've tried senna again recently and the results were fun! Certainly more so than my earlier dabblings too.

Side note: I like senna for keeping my belly feeling “active” and making the peristalsis particularly pronounced. I suffer from chronic constipation so feeling activity in my belly is reassuring and kinkily satisfying. Senna is certainly cramp-inducing which I love, but unlike other stimulant laxatives, it also brings with it a lot of “pressure”, like my intestines are working away at full-strength even when there's nothing in 'em for hours on end. I love the sensation and urgency throughout, and it typically lasts around 6-8 hours after kicking in (usually 4 hours after taking it).

I mainly use extra-strength (25mg) generic senna tablets, but have been trying tea as well. The tea I used a ways back is TeaWell Senna tea which stubbornly obfuscates the amount of senna leaves in it as part of its “proprietary” blend, but it seems to have a similar effect to around 10-20mg of senna per teabag. Tripling up on such provides a decent effect, though nothing truly urgent. A teabag or two is nice for mild constipation though.

Last night, I took 2 senna tablets (50mg) before bed at midnight. Then I woke up fours hours later in the night with a noticeable pressure, mild cramping and rumbling in my belly. I decided to take the last of my senna bottle's tablets (4 tablets, so 100mg; 150mg total) as I was feeling particularly masochistic and went to bed again.

3 hours later at 7:00am was a powerful urge to go. No diarrhea or such either. Though it barely did anything to calm the storm in my belly. I felt bloated and there was clearly more left in me to push out. Another two hours of feeling the moderate cramping and gurgling in my gut and then came a lurch of pressure. It was what I would certainly call “urgent!” Out came probably most of what I ate the day before, and only then did the pressure subside.

I decided to squeeze in an enema around that time just for good measure. Prepped a 4-quart plain hot water (106°F) enema and got it flowing. The sensation was interesting as I definitely felt the laxative was still working its magic on my bowels. I could feel the pulsing peristalsis trying to push the water out at my sigmoid and transverse colon around the 2-quart mark, but I managed to get another quart in before the cramps became too mind and I had to stop pre-emptively.

The emptying was fast and it was marvelous to feel my guts hurriedly squeeze out the water. It barely took any pushing to let it all out (with no return trips unlike typical plain water enemas). I wish I could've taken the full bag, but such is the nature of stimulant laxatives really activating the colon.

It's around 1pm now and I still feel the residual effects of the senna working in me. I'm tempted to try another 4-quart enema just to see if I can get it all in and feel that lovely emptying sensation once more!

@SoftSol

You say you took 150mg of Senna in all. That's a very potent dose. It's the same dose of Senna is in the full dose of X-Prep…. a one-dose clean out for bowel prepping for colonoscopy and barium enemas.

As I remember, X-Prep had a label warning something like this: “Patient should be advised to expect a strong, very thorough bowel evacuation to begin approximately 6 hours after this preparation is taken”.

From what I remember of the one time I tried it, the warning was a considerable understatement. I took it when somewhat constipated. The camping started maybe 5 hours after taking it and became intense. When the urge started, it quickly became intense and rapidly forced a huge poo that emptied everything out of me in less than a minute. In the following hours, there were several more, very urgent, toilet trips, but very little more came out.

Senna, in this dosage, is not a mild laxative, like your mom might have given you to ‘help’ you poo before school.

@Sean

Rest assured that I was aware of such being a potent, purgative dosage. It's why I took it; when I'm in a particularly kinky mood, I crave and love the cramping from a strong stimulant laxative.

That said, I have woefully sluggish bowels. Chronic constipation makes me have to take two doses of Miralax and two heaping tablespoons of psyllium a day with 2L of water daily just to stay regular. Mild laxative doses are hardly felt, and likewise even such a strong dose doesn't greatly discomfort me. Even 150mg of senna didn't feel as bad as most others described their experience with it.

That said, I do like senna a lot, and the posts you've made on other laxatives have been quite informative and helpful in the pursuit of safe laxative fun.