P. I. E. Pulsed Irrigation Evacuation

Somewhere I heard those PIE devices are several thousand dollars.

The colon is not a rigid tube as they show in the demos the pulsing is to little to go far as the rectum and sigmoid will just absorb and smooth out the flow it takes a big plunger pump with a large dia. hose to really work at creating a pulse in the cecum

This is the manual kit, not the one that costs thousands. The kit cost $99 and comes with 6 nozzles, but the nozzles seem to be reusable. The pump device doesn't pump liquid, but pumps air in a chamber that pulses the water. It is really a neat idea for an enema and an interesting sensation.

I have only used the kit once and had some problems with leaking around the pulsing chamber. The kit's bags only hold about 2 quarts, so multiple fills require emptying and refilling, which is kind of cumbersome. I refilled twice and was cleaned out. Cleanup is some what of a chore. They need to sell replacement catch bags so you don't have to reuse them. They shouldn't' be that expensive since they are just plastic bags.

If you are an enema enthusiast, then it is worth the cost.

Hi Tummypro,

I have an extra outboard motor hose set that I thought might work. Your comments have convinced my to go ahead and cut the squeeze bulb out and fit it to my enema tubing.

Thanks for yout info.

Rolf make sure its a new one there around 5 bucks

I've never used one of these. But, I have filled myself completely full with a bag enema and then inserted a bulb douche filled with more soapy water and then repeatedly and rapidly squeezed and squeezed the bulb to produce a pulsing in my colon. I opened up the holes in the nozzle so that the water flowing through it can be quite rapid. A very nice feeling to an already full colon. 😁

Have you tried inserting a Higginson bulb into your water inlet line? That is, between your enema bag and your nozzle?

You can actually get the pulsing effect by rigging a rubber bag in such a way that you can bounce it up and down on it's stand, the accelleration and decelleration of the bag causes the water to pulse, feels very good.

Squeezing that bulb for 15 minutes three times a week should give you hand muscles for additional enjoyment on other parts of the anatomy!

I've played with a PIE-Med machine a few times. I really like it because it lets me fill and empty repeatedly (my favorite) in small or large amounts without moving around and with no toilet. It has a few problems, though.

http://piemed.com/

It has a 6-gallon tank with a pump for supply and a 6-gallon tank that holds the waste bag. The speculum has two large oval openings on the side and a single retention balloon. The speculum fits on a hard, clear plastic tube. The supply hose goes in the side, the waste hose comes out the end. There is a membrane inside the tube that expands with air pressure to close the outlet. The control box connects to the pump and supplies air pressure to close the outlet. It's controlled by a pushbutton on a long cord.

First problem: the speculum hurts going through the sphincter, especially if you have any hemorrhoids.

There are two modes of operation. In the first, pressing the button closes the outlet and starts the pump. Water goes in until the button is released and the outlet opens. [Notice, no retention time here]. In the second mode, pressing the button closes the outlet and starts the pump. Releasing the button stops the pump but leaves the outlet closed. A second push opens the outlet. You get some retention here, but you can't do a partial fill, retain, then fill more.

The third problem is the flow rate. You have a choice of four: 25, 50, 75, or 100 mL/sec! The slowest is 2 quarts in 80 seconds, the fastest is 2 quarts in 20 seconds! This may be fun for some of us, but not for someone with a full colon.

First fix is to get an inflation bulb and connect it to the outlet valve. Now you can keep the outlet closed as long as you like. Also, you can use short pulses of the pump to get a reasonable rate of fill.

Fixing the speculum takes a bit more work. Get some modeling clay and molding compound at the hobby store. Fill a speculum with the clay to make a nice, smooth surface. Make a mold or two of the speculum from tip to balloon. When the mold is hard, insert a speculum. Get two skewers from the kitchen and put them crosswise into the speculum and through the oval holes. (The idea is to make a small path for water after you fill the speculum.) Fill the speculum with glycerine - enough to cover the oval holes - and put it in the fridge. It's now smooth and easy to insert and the glycerine will melt with body and water heat. You may want to add some bits of suppository to the glycerine to raise the melting temp. The more you add, the higher the melting temp - heat in the microwave to get it all liquid. I've only tried it with melted suppository, and that never melts at normal enema fluid temperature.

Enjoy! J.

I just bought one of these. It's fantastic. I couldn't handle regular colonic nozzles, they always felt like they were about to be forced out. The inflatable speculum definitely prevents that. I found that you can fill stop and then fill some more, if you set a hold time, and then push the fill buton again during the hold period.

Is anyone else using one of these machines?

I just bought one of these. I[/b][color=#000000]t's f[/color]antastic. I couldn't handle regular colonic nozzles, they always felt like they were about to be forced out. The inflatable speculum definitely prevents that. I found that you can fill stop and then fill some more, if you set a hold time, and then push the fill buton again during the hold period.Is anyone else using one of these machines?

How much did it cost?

I bought it used for under a thousand with extra supplies.

I had a P.I.E. machine used on me about 15 years ago. It was at least as effective as a colonic. I have always wanted to own one, but there was the matter of the cost and the requirement for a doctor's prescription. Where did you find the used one?

I found it on craigslist of all places. Like you said a prescription is needed 😢 I'm trying to figure that part out now.

On many medical devices the prescription requirement is driven by our insurance system. Basically insurance in the USA won't pay for it unless it requires a prescription. Many disposable enema bags/buckets also have a prescription legend. When a device is approved by the FDA, some will only be approved on a prescription basis, but for many, the prescription status is whatever the applicant requests for the device.

I know this because of a direct inquiry made to the FDA a few years ago. I found a device approved as a prescription device on the basis of equivalence to a device that was approved as non-prescription. I asked the FDA about it, and was simply told that was how the manufacturer requested approval, and FDA Pollicy is to aprove as a prescription device even if it was approvable as non-prescription.

Interestingly enough this created a problem for the manufacturer who ultimately had to request the device be re-classified as non-prescription!

In any case, if you aren't dealing with the manufacturer of the product directly, the enforcement of the prescription requirement on many devices is somewhere between lax and non-existent.

I figured that was the case, when I talked to the manufacturer/dealer, they wanted a form filled out that only had options for diagnoses that would have been covered by insurance, and there wasn't an option for out of pocket payment. To me this indicated they really wanted to fleece the insurance companies.

Wow! That would be a wonderful item to have

I have tried the pulsing effect and found it to be very stimulating. I removed the material between the holes in a large vaginal douche bulb syringe which allows a much faster burst of water when the bulb is squeezed. I take a 2 quart enema, remove the enema nozzle and then insert the bulb syringe (also full of water) and begin to squeeze and relax the bulb repeatedly to cause a pulsing effect. I feel the pulses very high up into my colon and find them to be very stimulating. The only thing which would make it better would be to have someone else doing the squeezing.

I would build something like this, definately just a day within my reach of achieving it. Unfortunately I developed a heart condition that has me worried about the effects of an imbalance of electrolytes and the retention of water. So retention enemas are out as well as colonics that I did daily. Quick two quart enemas or fast shower shots to get things going are it for me. Here is my two cents of what I would do to add the pulse to the equation in a colonic. I still have my colonic device. A large glass jar would be used with two tubes 3/8 " minimum going into the jar. The jar (which is sealed with the exception of the tubes) would be a Little above the flow of water so as not to introduce any contaminated water. One tube would allow water to flow freely in. The other tube would have an air tight seal around a balloon. The balloon being inflated and deflated will displace and replace the water in the jar. I would use my Venus 2000 to cycle the air in and out of the balloon. There is a crank adjustment inside the Venus that would allow the pump stroke needed to give the effect that you want. A small reciprocating bellows electric pump without a one direction valve would do the same thing. One can always dream 😃 too bad water is not my friend. So air will have to do. I am working on a new toy in the toys section, very detailed with lots of pics.

The Dominant Nurse that examines me has a very effective electric enema device next to her exam table in her very realistic exam room. The device is white and looks like a large water pic pump with a fairly large diameter enema tube attached. After she inserts the 7" enema nozzle deep into my rectum she turns the enema machine on and it shoots the enema solution in me and feels like pulsating shots of water. I get an erection immediately.

Interesting that someone mentioned the hand muscles required using the portable kit. They also had an automatic pump that you just dropped the squeeze bulb into and it worked really well. I would have used it more often but the company was difficult to work with, the owner a bit of a nut case and refused to discount multiple purchases but kept trying to push me to be a 'dealer'. Really strange considering I had already purchased a number of 'kits' since I am on a regular bowel program . . . . .

I'd like to learn more about the electric enema devices. The one link here does not have anything.

You missed this link about a dozen posts up:

http://piemed.com/

These ideas are new to me. i've used shower nozzles both flat and narrow to sit on. The narrow one brought me off promptly while leavingme full of water. Too bad its in a shower room at an assisted living facility 1500 miles away...should have apropriated it when I had the chance.

Pulsed enemas sound like fun. The P.I.E. machine looks like a big, expensive medical device. I can't find a price on the website after looking for a few minutes.

Since inexpensive pulsing shower heads are common, what's the big deal about building a purely mechanical enema nozzle that pulses from water pressure alone. I've done a Google search with search terms "Pulsing" AND "Enema". I found this interesting 2005 patent:

https://www.google.ch/patents/US20050148954

Anyone see any inexpensive product that uses this method? It involves a manually operated air pump. Mike45, I might need your help if I find one of these.

I can't find a price on the website after looking for a few minutes.

@WildBill2 Even if you found the price and were able to pay for it, you'd still need a prescription. In their insurance forms from 2009 they listed the price as $12,985.00. I think someone else on here possibly in this thread posted a year ago or so that the price is now $5,000. Someone else here said he was able to get one from Craig's list. If finding more on there is doable, that is probably the best possibility.

Sure looks interesting. Hope there is a clinic somewhat that provides this service/treatment

Testing the waters, anyone interested in purchasing my P.I.E machine?

I might be. Please shoot me a private message.