Conscripts forced to undress for women

I suspect the women don’t even think about. They see so many groups of men go through like cattle, they just do their assigned jobs.

I've always wondered why women even want us we're so ugly looking.

I'd also substitute 'want' with 'tolerate'. And I fear that it often comes down to (financial) security in the end.

As long as men are polite enough, with reasonably good manners and considerate and able to provide financial security, a mature woman will put up with with less than optimum looking guys, who are, let's face it, guys like us. Nothing special to look at.

I'd also substitute 'want' with 'tolerate'. And I fear that it often comes down to (financial) security in the end.

As long as men are polite enough, with reasonably good manners and considerate and able to provide financial security, a mature woman will put up with with less than optimum looking guys, who are, let's face it, guys like us. Nothing special to look at.

I do hope that women more than just tolerate men, but perhaps female members can better answer that one? It's fortunate for the majority of ordinary blokes that women's likes are often more subtle than men's, like the look of a guy's hands for example, or a vulnerability in their personality which they themselves might actually see as a weakness.

But as for the conscious or subconscious attraction of women towards wealth & success in men, the comedian Steve Coogan once compared his tabloid newspaper hounded success with the ladies to his luck before his fame. Back then apparently, women never looked twice at him.

@Julas

I had a mandatory exam for military service when I was 18. The doctor and the nurse were both female. I had to undress completely and the doctor examined my penis, testicles and anus.

Was there a locker room where you were able to store your clothing or did you have to undress in the exam room while the doctor and nurse were present? Also, did the doctor at least let you keep your underwear on until the genital inspection or did you have to strip completely from the beginning? All together, how long do you think you had to remain completely nude for?

I don't remember much about the entrance physical except being embarrassed having to walk around in my skivvies. Later when I was near the end of my 6 month electronics school they took us all to the post hospital for another physical and overseas shots. We had to strip naked and stand in a line in front of 2 medics who had us "milk 'em down and skin 'em back" while they walked in front of us for a closer look. Then they gave us a paper to take with us and sent us out into the common hallway to the next station. The hallway was in full view of any wives and kids (dependants) who happened to be there.

Apparently it was similar at other posts as my soon to be girl friend who was a colonel's daughter used to tell me about faking serious menstrual pain to get him or mom to take her to the hospital hoping to see the naked GI parade. At Ft. Gordon and previously at Ft Bragg.

I do hope that women more than just tolerate men, but perhaps female members can better answer that one? It's fortunate for the majority of ordinary blokes that women's likes are often more subtle than men's, like the look of a guy's hands for example, or a vulnerability in their personality which they themselves might actually see as a weakness.

I am really attracted to my husband @BulgeInPants because he is what I think men should be, he is self confident but not arrogant, he is very smart and determined about what he does, he is very masculine and he is kind when other people let him be, he is very good looking, he is fit and athletic and we have super hot times in bed. He is a real man and that is what I like, and for my husband I can put ticks in all my boxes. ❤️

I think men have just got to make the most of themselves and be passionate about something, like what he does maybe. Ladies do not feel attracted to men who just want to feel sorry for themselves, if they are putting themselves down or if they just give up trying.

@FDNM-patient

I did have it happening to me. Having to undress completely for exams and being examined by female doctor and interviewed by a female psychologist. I was 21 at that moment and it didn’t only happen in countries in Eastern Europe or Asia but also here in Western Europe. And, you’re quite correct that it happened more than once.

It just happened, was quite embarassing, but afterwards also quite interesting. And it still is 😉

And if you’d like to know more, just let me know …

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Wow! You actually had to be interviewed by a female psychologist as part of your enlistment procedure.... all while completely undressed??? That seems so weird to me! Like, did the doctor just send you naked out of the room after your exam and make you walk totally bare into the pyschologist's office or was the pyschologist present during your exam and just started peppering you with personality questions after the medical doctor finished... I have so many questions about what that was like. Did you have to stand in front of her desk or were you seated in front of her while she interviewed you?? Do you remember what kind of questions she asked? or how long the interview lasted?

@roscoe

I remember my entrance physical like it was yesterday. I had to wait for hours in a cold-as-all-hell corridor in my skivvies and when my turn came for my one-on-one physical (actually turned out to be a Two on One LOL), I entered the room and was immediately instructed to remove my shorts by the female doctor... she had a female PA or Nurse next to her who took notes while she dictated... only lasted about 5 minutes though. But still, for an 18 year old virgin, it felt like an eternity to me.

But I cannot relate to your predicament of having a follow-up medical exam upon your sixth month of electronics school at the base hospital. When I finished A-School, the Navy simply gave me my PCS to San Diego and that was it. No medical. Nothing.

I'm shocked that the hospital command gave no second thoughts that civilians (especially females of various ages) were within viewing distance of servicemen as they proceeded down common hallways. Do you actually remember seeing any women and their daughters? Or put more directly, do you recall any women/girls seeing you as you went to the next station? Hopefully it was just a brief glimpse and you didnt have to wait to be called in order to enter the next station. BTW: what year was that? PS: I bet your gf's mother was more than happy to oblige and take her to the hospital LOL. Lord only knows how many, and for how long, they were able to see privates on parade (Pardon the pun LOL)

@MilGuy

I have been interviewed by a female psychologist, yes. Was at first dressed in underpants, but have been naked during a small part of that interview.

At the physical exam, after that interview, we have been examined being completely naked during the whole exam. We were examined alone during that physical and I have been examined by a female doctor. I suppose that all of us got the same exam, be it by a male or female doctor.

@roscoe

But I cannot relate to your predicament of having a follow-up medical exam upon your sixth month of electronics school at the base hospital. When I finished A-School, the Navy simply gave me my PCS to San Diego and that was it. No medical. Nothing.

This was in 1959 and they were expecting most of us would go to Korea. I was lucky, they kept me as an instructor at the course I had just finished. Maybe because of my 97.5 grade average.

I'm shocked that the hospital command gave no second thoughts that civilians (especially females of various ages) were within viewing distance of servicemen as they proceeded down common hallways. Do you actually remember seeing any women and their daughters? Or put more directly, do you recall any women/girls seeing you as you went to the next station? Hopefully it was just a brief glimpse and you didnt have to wait to be called in order to enter the next station. BTW: what year was that? PS: I bet your gf's mother was more than happy to oblige and take her to the hospital LOL. Lord only knows how many, and for how long, they were able to see privates on parade (Pardon the pun LOL)

At that time the Army was nearly all men so the facilities were built for just men. I worked with a sergeant first class who said his wife refused to take the kids to the post hospital for free and paid for them to go to a doctor in town.

We had to stand in line waiting to go into the next room for the next part of the exam so you could be standing there for quite a while as the guys ahead of you went in one at a time. The building was built like a sow feeding her piglets. One long corridor with the entrance in the middle and the receptionist too. The other rooms were off the back of that but each room was like a seperate building. My guess was the design was in case the enemy bombed it they wouldn't get the whole thing. there were chairs along the side of the corridor for those waiting, usually filled with mothers and their kids. So they got a good look at us but after a few minutes of trying to hide I finally said the Hell with it, let them look. If the Army doesn't care, why should I?

Some time later when I had a classroom building they gave us new metal work benches --- for electronic equipment? I remembered that hospital with a long rubber mat on the floor so I figured out how much of that I would need to insulate the new benches. I got a pick up truck from the motor pool grabbed a couple slick sleeves (privates) and a long tape measure and a clip board. Now who's going to question a 3 striiper with a clip board having a couple privates measure a length of that floor mat and cut it and roll it up to take away? I wish I could have been a fly on the wall over there a few days later when they were wondering what happened to their floor mat.

@MilGuy

@Julas Was there a locker room where you were able to store your clothing or did you have to undress in the exam room while the doctor and nurse were present? Also, did the doctor at least let you keep your underwear on until the genital inspection or did you have to strip completely from the beginning? All together, how long do you think you had to remain completely nude for?

I had to undress right there in the exam room. I left my clothes on a little chair next to the exam table. The doctor had me undress piece by piece as the exam progressed. I was only nude for the genital exam at the end. In total, I was only nude for I would guess 2 or 3 minutes.

or a vulnerability in their personality which they themselves might actually see as a weakness.

But as for the conscious or subconscious attraction of women towards wealth & success in men, the comedian Steve Coogan once compared his tabloid newspaper hounded success with the ladies to his luck before his fame. Back then apparently, women never looked twice at him.

I want to put a firm thing down here. HA, Ha get that joke out of the way.

Nice Women are attracted to emotional security, inner strength, kindness, and some traits we like Top very very top of the list. Men who like women. That is men who like to listen to us enjoy talking to us like people and are not just after sex, They just like us because we are nice to have around and fun to be with.

We can tell things like that. Just sense it.

If you are not like that. Most men are not you are going to attract the wrong sort of girl.

She will find weaknesses to exploit and take take take. You put up with it because she gives you sex and may bring in some income or prestige so she is useful for your needs.

You are a woman hater so you get man-haters, users. They come along for a free ride and have your number, Use sex as bait seldom put out or do it without affection. .Just as bad. They have no interest in you just what they can take.

You find this sort lurking about dangling shoes on their toes , looking sultry just fishing for the next man fish to bite. If you take the bait serves you right.

It is right that it can be a funny fantasy to think about young men draftees submittted to compulsory physical examinations for military service and being examined naked by female doctors and female nurses, alone,or in group like it could be in the past in many countries, and what is the best is that it can be not only a fantasy situation but also a real one at least in recent past.

I have not read or heard about such situations in France even if nudity was the common rule for draftees at physical examinations as long as there was a military service but it could happen in other countries.

But it was common in Germany. I have read like "Melle", a german woman, who has left a message on page 2, the book " Medical Rape: state authorised german perversion" with a lot of eyes witness medical relations from female nurses and female clerks,

I do not agree with the words "medical rape " which seems to me much more strong and not appropriate, even for CFMN situations such as those described.

But there were certainly embarrassing CFMN situations since the process seemed to be the same at each german medical center for draft physical examinations, the draftees were waiting in a hall, wearing only the standard blue swim suit which was the only garment allowed and provided by the army for the first parts of their examination, until they were called one by one to enter in the last exam room at the end of their examination for the last intimate part. After entering in the exam room, each draftee noticed that there was a lady doctor and an other woman on the opposite sitted behind a desk who could be a woman nurse or a woman secretary because she was present in the room just to watch the exam, she did not perform herself any exam nor did anything else than to look at the draftee during his exam. He was instructed by the lady doctor to remove immediately his blue swim suit on spot since there was no partition to undress behind and to put it on a stool.

Then once naked he was instructed to stand in front of the doctor, then to walk on each side of the room to check his balance and spine under the eyes of the two women with exposure of naked genitals and butt and to bend over to touch his feet at each side of the room. after he was instucted to stand on the side of the woman doctor so that the other woman had an unobstructed view on the body of the draftee, the woman doctor performed an inspection of genitals less or more thorough but always with an inspection of penis and scrotum, a palpation of testicles, a retractation of the foreskin by instruction to the draftee to pull it down by himself to expose the glan, ( some women doctors did it certainly instead of the draftee ) and the standard hernia test with the famous 'cough and turn ", and eventually he was instructed to turn around and bend over and spread the cheeks of his butt for a visual inspection of his anus area.

According to relations, some women doctors could be very rough and strict with a stern face, or worst a slight grin on their face during the exam, and gave instructions to the draftees in a military style tone which was very impressive for young men like male military doctor of the "old school" could do it, so that it was not at all like at a general medical check up.

There is an other message page 2 of a male german " Moretoknow "about the "Musterung" in Germany, the draft medical examination.

He has declared that his exam was performed by a woman doctor in presence of an other woman, he relates that "she was very accurate exploring his testicles, feeeling his scrotum for a long time, examining after his penis and pulling his foreskin back past the glan before a last exam through the rectum" but he thought that it was not so bad as feared and that there was no rough military style tone to complain on the reverse of many witnesses in the book mentioned above.

An other guy is is wondering if the woman doctor was zealous or enjoyed her exam when he was naked and examined for a long inspection of genitals by a woman doctor?

Of course it was impossible to say if some women doctors who performed a thorough and long exam were only too much zealous (if the exam lasted a long time with draftees naked in front of her and under the eyes of the other woman apparently without reason ) or if they enjoyed the power they had on the young men forced to obey to all her instructions and stay naked more than necessary to increase their embarrassment.

In USSR we undressed just once and then went from station to station, from doctor to doctor completely naked. All doctors and nurses were called from civil hospitals and polyclinics. The military commissariats did not have their own medical staff. So most of the medical staff were women.

The first time we had to turn up to the military commissariat was when we were 14, then at 16 and then at 18. Military office kept records of medical conditions of all boys and depending on the final medical report, boys were assigned for future service to a specific regiment according to health and physical conditions of boys. Boys with significant medical conditions which were not serious enough to secure exemption from service all together, would be drafted in to so called construction battalions. Those battalions were absolutely horrible, infamous for severe bullying, high rates of injuries and suicide.

In France also we were instructed to strip naked by non commissioners officers at the beginning of the exam and to stay naked for all the exam including walking in corridors in line and supervised by non comissionners officers, we were stark naked for all exams even for eyes test, ears test, teeth inspection, X ray exam, blood tet , urine test and so on and , most of the time it was in group on the reverse of Germany but without women present.

"Kulemh" after your report at the military commissariat at 14 or 16 age ( before the last at 18 age) did you were summoned for a physical examination at a civil hospital with civil medical staff ? was it the same hospital than at 18 age? and was it more thorough at 18 age, the last time than at the previous years at 14 and 16 ? were you summoned during a school day ? in that case I presume that the school authorities were informed on the reason for which you could not be at school that day ? after the examination , did some teachers ask at you how the physical examination was conducted ? did the girls classmates if your school was mixed asked at you also to relate your examination and did they tease at you about your nudity in group ?

I am wondering also if you were left alone without supervision even at 14 or 16 age to go from one station to an other or if there was some nurses to supervise you or non commisioners officers who were coming at the hospital with you that day ?

At the civil hospital or polyclinic, did there was only civil medical staff or also some military medical staff or non commissioners officers or officers to check that the medical process was respected ?

At the day you were summoned, did there was other patients present who could see you undressed and waiting or walking ?

or female members of the administrative staff of the hospital like secretaries? Did they were involved in your exam to check or fill papers while you were undressed ?

You said that the military commissariats did not have their own medical staff to perform the exams but I have seen some years ago a french documentary about the draft in Russia where a physical examination of draftees was performed in the facilities of a military commissariat by doctors and nurses ( It was not said if they were military persons or civil persons ? , they were all clothed in lab coats ? ) some mothers of the draftees were present to accompany the draftees and were sitting on benches to wait on the opposite of military persons sitting behind a large desk who checked the papers for identity and so on, there was a curtain or a sheet to separate the first part of the room from the back where the draftees were instructed to undress in briefs, and after they were lined by group of ten in the corridor and went from a station room to an other one along the corridor, at each station room there was a doctor with one or several female nurses, they entered by group at some of them like for weigh-ins and one by one at the last one for the intimate exams, what was surprising was that the mothers could not see them while they undressed even if the curtain was often opened by a non commisioner officer to give instructions or to call the firt group of dratees for instance or check if they were all undressed in briefs as instructed but some of them on a side of the bench in the room could see the draftees lining in briefs in the corridor because there was no door and the open entrance was at the middle of the opposite wall, on the right of the desk of the non commissionners officers or administrative persons of the commissariat

It took place at Moscow, I presume that it could be different according to the towns and may be the years ?

"Rigel " has written that comment 4 months ago :

"I suspect the women don’t even think about. They see so many groups of men go through like cattle, they just do their assigned jobs."

He is certainly partially right, for most of the women it might be only a job and after some time it might be rather boring because the process was always the same.

But" Bulge in Pants"is also right when he writes

". Ladies are generally less visually excited than men are, whilst men are usually less aesthetically pleasing when naked. But the sense of power reversal for those few ladies surrounded by naked men, especially looking back historically, must be huge. And power as we all know can be quite an aphrodisiac."

I think also that even if there was no sexual interest for the women to see young men naked, especially when they were in group rather than alone, but there was certainly at least for some of them a pleasure to have some power on young men, men were supposed to be more important and to have more rights in society, they could see that it was not true at the army ! that they were bad treated like cattle and without any respect of privacy and dignity, some could be compassionate to the young men but I presume that most women were rather pleased of the parade of naked young men in group.

It could be depending also on their age and how long did they do that job, I presume that the first times it was unexpected to se young en in the nude and even if thre was no sexual ecitement, thre could be a feeling of superiority and also amusement ( it could be funny to se the young men naked in group and supervised for women who had never been submitted to such a situation, their obvious embarrassment could be funny )

I presume also that a young nurse or secretary who was assigned at that job for the first time was more pleased than a middle age woman very used to the parade of naked young men

Sensai1980. I can only relate to what my girl friend told me about her school physicals. Like the boys, the girls were examined in the basement of the school by the school physician, a woman. She said that she and the other girls didn't mind having to take everything off except the bra and panties. Getting examined in school was what made her apprehensive and the other girls seems to feel the same way. Having her blood pressure checked always made her nervous. She didn't like the feeling of the cuff inflating on her arm. Oh well. Our school had what they called "dress up day." The guys had a great time with it. My friend wore a black jacket with a yellow shirt and red tie. The girls took the day more seriously. They wore they're best dress or skirt and blouse and of course high heels. As it turned out, she had a physical exam scheduled that day for the swimming team. After classes that day she and the other girls on the team reported to the pool area. They put they're swimming suits on and also left the heels on because of the tile floor. The doctor examined them in the office but there was a window where some of the others could watch. She was the fourth to be examined and was mortified that others were watching. Miss Collins, the teacher and coach, explained to the doctor the reason for the high heels. After everyone was examined, she watched as the doctor listened to Miss Collins heart and checked her blood pressure. It was a pretty nerve racking day!

I have known by talks with girls later after my teenagehod that during their school years in France, most of the girls were very apprehensive and feared by compulsoryy school physicals, because most of the time at my time last 60's or beginning of the 70's, the girls might undress in group at a locker room until panties, according to some relations they could not keep their bras at least at middle school ( for boys it was not better, since it was in just briefs or often even completely naked ) and it was different of boys because during teenagehood many girls thought that they were not enough developped for their breasts, so they were embarrassed to be exposed bare chest to the other girls ; for a boy it did not mattter but for a girlespecially young ones aged of 13 to 15, it could be very embarrassing if she had still a flat chest, it was a little the same than to show his genitals for a boy if he was naked in group and had a small penis in his opinion !

"Sensei 80" had posted that message one year ago

"I always fantasize about females being subjected to compulsory group exams for the same reason. When I was growing up, my biggest fantasy was witnessing my female classmates being examined together during a school physical. The fact that they would be reluctant and embarrassed, but ultimately forced to comply was a huge part of my fantasy."

I don't think that it was common because the modesty of girls was more respected generally than that of boys at school physicals ( even if of course there could be exceptions to that general statement) but it was certainly true sometimes in the past for boys students at school physicals, there was relations of school examinations performed openly in group and all boys students being naked for instance in a gym or boys waiting naked in line in a corridor exposed to the view of persons walking through the corridor, the reluctance and embarrassment of boys could be true feelings and their compliance to strip completely under instruction a reality.

"Sayaah"

I notice that in your relation of a school physical examination of one of your friend , the girls students were weraing their swim suits so they were not naked , it was certainly embarrassing and still more if the girls could be watched by a window on the school basement but nothing like it was certainly for boy's students because in such a physical examination, I doubt that they were not instructed to strip completely and remove their swim suits to line up naked and be examined naked even if they could be watched by a window, the respect of shyness towards nudity for boys was not a common use for adults.

"Kulemh " :

You have not answered to some of my questions about your draft physical examinations which took place first at 14 agen, then at 16, and eventually at 18 age.

First I don't understand why there was three exams of boys every two years from 14 to 18 age, except if some boys were told to see doctors for instance for teeth , or for eyes, or ears or spinal lordosis , in that case it could be useful to detect some health issues and try to treat or cure them before the age of induction.

Secondly you do not say if the exams were different in the way they were performed or for supervision of boys ( was is the same with younger boys of 14 age and older of 18 age ? ) or their thoroughness since the last one was the most important.

after your report at the military commissariat at 14 or 16 age ( before the last at 18 age) did you were also summoned for a physical examination at a civil hospital with civil medical staff ? was it the same hospital than at 18 age? ?

Were you summoned during a school day ? in that case I presume that the school authorities were informed on the reason for which you could not be present at school that day ? after the examination, did some teachers ask at you how the physical examination was conducted ? did the girls classmates if your school was mixed asked at you also to relate your examination and did they tease at you about your nudity in group ?

I am wondering also if you were left alone without supervision even at 14 or 16 age to go from one station to an other or if there was some nurses to supervise you or non commisioners officers who were coming at the hospital with you that day ?

At the civil hospital or polyclinic, did there was only civil medical staff or also some military medical staff or non commissioners officers or officers to check that the medical process was respected ?

At the day you were summoned, did there was other patients present who could see you undressed and waiting or walking ?

or female members of the administrative staff of the hospital like secretaries? Did they were involved in your exam to check or fill papers while you were undressed ?

aside these mandatory military physical examinations , I presume that you had also schhool physical examinations each year, how were they performed ? was it very different of the military ones ?

" Fred D "

I have not understood in your relation if the young female sailor who cheked your papers at a desk was able to see you in just underwear after you removed your clothes under her instruction to go through a door behind her

" Once we were called we presented our paperwork at a desk manned by a young female Sailor and were issued a large plastic laundry basket. She told us to go through the door behind her, strip down to our skivies and place our clothes and shoes in the basket."

Then I have understood that you went from station to station but you were not naked , you write that thre was no concern for the examinees modesty but it was not so bad since you wore an underwear, I undestand that you were parading in corridors and rooms exams in front of male and female staff , did it mean that they were not medical persons ? who were there ? why do you write that any of them was not phased by it ? why do you want that they had been phased by iy if it was usual ? and what could have they done ?

and when you were briefly naked you write that thre was no women present

"While we were only naked briefly with no women around, it seemed like there was no issue parading us around in our skivies in front of male and female staff - not that any of them are phased by it."

Even at the hernia and hemorroid checks it seems according to your relation that the nurse was not too invasive about your nudity if she left you being naked behind the screen by group of three together since she did not turn her head behind her to see you fully exposed. Did she saw you naked during the exam or never ? after the exam did you were allowed to put on again your underwear even if an other guy among the three might still be examined ?

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"The way it worked, there were three of us naked at a time, either waiting for the doctor, being examined, or waiting to put our skivies back on. Although we were behind a screen hidden from the other examinees, if the nurse had chosen to turn around we would have been fully exposed - while waiting to be called to go behind the screen, I never saw her even glance behind her - in sure she couldn't have cared less."

As regards the eye exam, I don't think that it was so much humiliating to read the eyes chart being in just underwear in front of a woman doctor , you could be lucky that it was not naked like it was for us ( even if it was in front of a male doctor )

I agree with AlMeAll: the compulsory aspect of the conscription is the turning-on factor for me too.

Watching films with male and female conscripts being forced to undress in front of women (like in The Clerk) and then fantasizing about continuing the film action beyond what the film script shows really makes my medfet day! I find such a combination of compulsory medical CFNM and CFNF to always be the best way to endless imagination!

@esaterman , answers to your questions:

‘First I don't understand why there was three exams of boys every two years from 14 to 18 age ‘

The first one at 14 it was a formal transfer of boys from paediatricians to adult polyclinics. Because in Soviet Union every boy was considered as a potential soldier whose health in that capacity was crucial for the state, the process of transferring of boys to adult doctors was under control of military authorities. Should any health problems been detected, the boy would be sent to hospitals to tackle them so that by the age of 18 they would be healthy enough to serve in the army. If the problem was severe enough and untreatable, then the boy would be written off from military register. There were strict regulations with a long list of medical conditions allowing or disallowing military service.

Second, at 16, was a formal assignment of a boy to a prospective military speciality. The boys undergo med exam and a set of tests and on the basis of their health, physic and intellectual capacity they were assigned to certain specialities which they would do once the time of military service has come.

Third at 18 was an actual formal exam before drafting to the army, last assessment.

‘Secondly you do not say if the exams were different in the way they were performed’

All exams whether at 14 or 16 or 18 were equally thorough examinations done by the same doctors. Now military draft commissions have their own doctors employed by the commissions. In those times when I was a boy it wasn’t the case. District hospitals and polyclinics temporarily redeployed doctors and nurses to work in military draft commissions for a short period of time twice per year. They worked hard to exam hundreds or even thousands of draftees and younger boys. They tried to organise the process in a smooth way, so that for example on a particular day they examine 14 year olds only etc. but sometimes it was not possible so that a mixture of younger and older boys presented on one day. Also sometimes even preteen boys, who were going to study in cadet schools, were there to be examined on the day with older boys.

‘Were you summoned during a school day …. after the examination, did some teachers ask at you how the physical examination was conducted ? did the girls classmates if your school was mixed asked at you also to relate your examination and did they tease at you about your nudity in group ?’

Yes, it was like that. We were officially missing a school day and everyone knew for what reason. The teachers would start talk about that well in advance. The girls would be smiling when hearing that news. Everyone knew that the boys there would be in nude and that’s why the girls were quite excited. On the next day the boys would be annoyed by questions how did it go. Moreover, among the medical personnel there always would be mothers of some schoolmates including the girls and we, boys, felt especially embarrassed to be presenting to them in nude.

‘I am wondering also if you were left alone without supervision even at 14 or 16 age to go from one station to an other or if there was some nurses to supervise you or non commisioners officers who were coming at the hospital with you that day ?’

On the day there was a huge number of boys. We were waiting in the downstairs hall. A military official would call 50-60 boys initially and take them upstairs for exam and then from time to time they would come and take each time 10-15 boys for exam. Upstairs we were told to strip naked, although there was need to tell us as we already saw that all the boys there were naked. Then we were supposed to go from station to station with different specialists in no particular order. After going through all stations-specialists, we presented to the commission. The commission included officials not necessarily medics. They made formal decisions on your military prospects.

‘At the day you were summoned, did there was other patients present who could see you undressed and waiting or walking ?’

This was done at military draft commission facilities. If they had not enough space, then it was organised at some other venues, like a local college for example.

‘or female members of the administrative staff of the hospital like secretaries? Did they were involved in your exam to check or fill papers while you were undressed ?

There were some clerical staff, but they were working downstairs and they didnt see us naked.

We were officially missing a school day and everyone knew for what reason. The teachers would start talk about that well in advance. The girls would be smiling when hearing that news. Everyone knew that the boys there would be in nude and that’s why the girls were quite excited. On the next day the boys would be annoyed by questions how did it go.

It was exactly the same in my country when I took the military medical exam. The girls knew why the boys were absent. They were excited and giggling. They asked the boys questions about the examination. Then I was very embarrassed that they knew that I had to strip naked and undergo detailed examinations.

"Kulemh "

thank you for your detailed answer about military physical examinations

Did you have noticed if there was women among the members of the draft commission ( doctors or non medical persons ) at the end of your medical exam from station to station ?

When the exams were located in a local college rather than draft military facilities, I presume that there was still less privacy for the boys and young men and the risk of being seen undressed by non medic persons was greater ?

If you had been examined in front or by a mother of a girl classmate at 14, 16, or 18 age, did you have noticed after by questions of girls classmates after that day of examination that she had related to her daughter how was the set up of the exam of the boys and that the girl classmate knew that her mother had seen you in the nude ? And that you were undressed in the nude by group of 10 to 15 boys upstairs and stayed after naked for all the exams walking naked from a station to an other one ?

At least, according to your relation, you were not exposed naked to the view of women clerks for checking papers and identity since it was downstairs where you were still dressed !

"Renan " You did not say in what country took place your exam ? may be in Germany ?

You say that the girls classmates were excited and giggled when they knew that the boys were summoned for military physical examinations and teased at them because they knew like every body in the country ( it was the same in France during a long time so ,it was well known ) that they would be examined naked, but when they asked at the boys questions about their exams to embarrass them, why would the boys answered instead of refusing to answer and give any details about the examinations ? even if I presume that some girls could know by brothers or male cousins who had already been examined and had related their examinations at home in front of them ?

I would have never agreed to answer to questions of girls about my own military physical examinations if I had been in a mixed school.

Did the girls classmates know that the boys were examined naked by a woman doctor in presence of a woman nurse if it was in Germany since it was the most frequent situations for german draftees at the end of their exams for the most intimate part of the exam ?

@esaterman But there were certainly embarrassing CFMN situations since the process seemed to be the same at each german medical center for draft physical examinations, the draftees were waiting in a hall, wearing only the standard blue swim suit which was the only garment allowed and provided by the army for the first parts of their examination, until they were called one by one to enter in the last exam room at the end of their examination for the last intimate part. After entering in the exam room, each draftee noticed that there was a lady doctor and an other woman on the opposite sitted behind a desk who could be a woman nurse or a woman secretary because she was present in the room just to watch the exam, she did not perform herself any exam nor did anything else than to look at the draftee during his exam. He was instructed by the lady doctor to remove immediately his blue swim suit on spot since there was no partition to undress behind and to put it on a stool.

That's only partly true. Maybe it was dependend on the competent authority, but we had to bring our own swim trunks or sport shorts to the exam, so there was no uniform blue swim suit. Also I think it depends on the doctor wether a conscript had to be completely nude or has just to lower his pants for the genital examination.

@esaterman - sorry for the delay in responding.

The young female Sailor who was checking our paperwork did not see us strip down not in our underwear. She sent us to a separate room.

Regarding being in our underwear in front of various staff members - I don't think that they were all medical personnel, but I have no idea. It just seems that there were a lot of them passing back and forth and not actively involved at any of the examination stations. I say that they weren't phased by all of these young men in their underwear because it just send that they were carrying on with business as usual. Understand, we were not just hanging around or relaxing. The NCOs guiding is through the stations wouldn't let us talk amongst ourselves or look around.

So at the hernia / hemmoroid station, we were all the naked until all three had been examined, then we were directed to put our underwear back on. Regarding the nurse, during the time I was in front of her (before being sent back for the exam), I did not see her look back, and when behind the screen, we didn't look her direction, so I really cannot comment if she ever looked or not - I just didn't see her.

At the eye exam, it was a little weird to do it in my skivvies, but the whole experience was a little surreal and dehumanizing. I am sure that the staff at the processing facility were bored with it all - seeing hundreds of young men in about every body type come through.

But yes, it would have been considerably different if we had been naked for the whole process - but while it was dehumanizing, there was still a sense of prudery that was probably more to protect the staff than out of any concerns for inductee modesty.

"Fred"

I am not convinced that it was boring to see hundred of youngmen in underwears for nurses or secretaries, it was tather pleasant and enjoyable because they knew that it could not happen to hers, it was specific to young men which increased their pleasure giving them a feeling of superiority

and young men wearing only undewears are all different and behaved not in the same way when they felt vulnerable.

Thre is a book which has been edited several years ago about the german draft process and a lot of relations of medical persons about their job and the embarrassment of german draftees who were summoned the year they reached 18 age when there was still a mandatory military service and all declared that they enjoyed their job and liked the power that they had on draftees forced to obey to all instructions and expose their genitals and butts to their view without complaints and even reluctance

This is the video from Australia mentioned in first part of the thread:

"There was a video I saw where they made the recruits strip in front of attractive members of the opposite sex as a deliberate challenging part of the initiation. I think it was for the Australian SAS. Quite exciting to think about. Of course the men were all in great shape too."

https://www.larsgpetersson.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Australia-sexual-humiliation-of-soldiers.mp4