Conscripts forced to undress for women

@AlMeAll

I love to think about how vulnerable the men must feel, their bodies being treated like objects, as women inevitably look on and enjoy the sight.

I feel the same. It must be a very strange situation for male conscripts! There is a book about military exams of conscripts "Medical Rape: State Authorised German Perversion" (you can buy it on amazon but there is also a free pdf download) with a lot of eye witness reports from nurses and clerks.

@AlMeAll I feel the same. It must be a very strange situation for male conscripts!

You're right that this is a strange situation for a conscript. I remember that moment during the military medical examination when I was sent behind a screen. There was a woman waiting there who told me to take off my panties. She said it casually as if it was the most normal thing. She's told it to hundreds of young men. I remember how embarrassed I was when I obediently took off my panties. I couldn't look at this woman's face (she was standing in front of me). I saw her putting rubber gloves on her hands. After a while she was palpating my scrotum, assessing the size of my testicles. I felt like an animal, or like a slave, a being whose body you can make anything you want.

@Reman

After a while she was palpating my scrotum, assessing the size of my testicles. I felt like an animal, or like a slave, a being whose body you can make anything you want.

I do agree with you and I felt the same during the whole exam. It was as if they could do whatever they would like to do and every single exam they could think of... So, been there and also submitted to it all, only asking one question 'whether it was all needed to assess the ability to be in the military', which seemed not to be the right question ... Anyway, we still are alive and still think and talk about it. But you're right there that we were approached as a being who you could submit to anything you'd like. But there again, I have thought quite a lot about it, I am convinced that part of those exams are also done to see how far they would be able to go and that it is also a 'military psychological game of following orders and submitting to command ...'

I am convinced that part of those exams are also done to see how far they would be able to go and that it is also a 'military psychological game of following orders and submitting to command ...'

You have to be realistic about such things.

Soldiers in combat who do not know how or will not follow orders are often soon dead soldiers. No use to their comrades and units and certainly no use to their families, loved ones and obviously not to themselves.

Soldiering means lack of privacy of any and all kinds. Since you are going to inevitably need to piss and shit in front of each other in the field, among many other degrading things, having a doctor feel up your genitals is small potatoes, hardly worth mentioning.

I think the saying was: Give your soul to the Lord because your ass belongs to me.

I did sign up for the military many years ago and remember the experience of standing in my underpants and having to turn around so the military staff could see my body. I remember there was one woman there giving me a little smile. I didn’t get an erection, since there were male military staff there and the whole experience was over rather quickly, but had it only been her and had it taken a few more minutes, I am sure I would have been standing in front of her with a quite visible erection.

I went through the MEPC in Los Angeles. No stories like that for me. I didn't see a female doctor or nurse in the exam areas or anywhere males were undressed. Just lots corpsmen with with bad attirltudes.

This situation kinda angers me on the behalf of others to be completely honest.

I studies 3 years in a country with conscription and I still don't get it. I'm from US and am back in US while writing this but while in Europe, I learned of this frankly bizarre thing while some of my class mates were being conscripted.

As a woman, it didn't really concern me personally and as a non citizen, even it I had been a man, it would have been the same but then I started thinking about if I had started a family there and had sons. I wouldn't have wanted them forced into slavery, even it was just for a year.

I still don't understand why the locals aren't opposed to it more and I probably never will.

I studies 3 years in a country with conscription and I still don't get it. I'm from US and am back in US while writing this but while in Europe, I learned of this frankly bizarre thing while some of my class mates were being conscripted.

I still don't understand why the locals aren't opposed to it more and I probably never will.

When I was growing up in the US in the 1950s and early 60s, it was thought the most normal expectation that all of us boys would be drafted and serve in the military sooner or later. I remember groups of boys talking about which branch of service they preferred to get into instead of being drafted into the worst branch or most dangerous branch of service.

This was something that was apparently never questioned, much like members here talk about spankings never being brought into question or giving enemas. We were going to be drafted (or enlist voluntarily) and probably end up fighting WWIII, much like our dads fought in WWII and granddads in WWI.

It just seemed to be the natural (social) order of things. It was inevitable.

That doesn't mean we were looking forward to it or that our parents thought it proper and just. But it was what we expected to happen later on when we got older.

At present, we are oddly enough back as in medieval times. We employ professional soldiers to do the fighting, mercenaries who make it their career. It turns out that citizen soldiers no longer make the cut, war has become too specialized and training too expensive to just draft someone, train them for a year and have the use of them for about the same time. And keeping them out of gainful employment for longer isn't advantageous to society either.

So now, like Roman legions or medieval Landesknechten and knights, we have professionals do the fighting and dispense with a draft.

@AlMeAll You wrote that well, got me excited even though femdom isn't my main kink. The "completely unnecessary" part is a cool extra idea if done in a plausible way, i.e. not just "read this eye chart oh yes pull your dick out for me while you do it."

Do you know this film below? I think it might really tickle you. Low production (cost 5000 rubles I bet, haha, or maybe it was a uni project) but has all the themes you mention liking. Super embarrassed good-looking guy, female doctor that flirts a little but is always in power.

The whole 20-minutes or so is posted somewhere in the interwebs but all I could find in a quick search are some clips that will give you the idea:

https://biguz.net/watch.php?id=9642471

https://biguz.net/watch.php?id=9642492

https://biguz.net/watch.php?id=10348869

@AIMeAll

I understand that you’re jealous that you weren’t there 🙂

You never know that that moment might still come in the future 😉

Soldiering means lack of privacy of any and all kinds. Since you are going to inevitably need to piss and shit in front of each other in the field, among many other degrading things, having a doctor feel up your genitals is small potatoes, hardly worth mentioning.

There's a photo of Gen. Patton standing on top of a 3rd Army tank pissing.

There's a photo of Gen. Patton standing on top of a 3rd Army tank pissing.

Found it. He's showing his contempt by pissing in the Rhine river. Gotta wonder how many other Allied soldiers did the same ... ha ha

@chrisv2 Here's the whole movie; 'About a young boy' Swedish Medical exam for draft. Women staff and woman doctor is his next door neighbor

https://motherless.com/g/medical_exam_group/F6A98DE

Brat

@agracier I googled subject, found many of same picture.

https://worldwartwopix.com/2017/02/patton-pis/

Questions as to whether he's really pissing

firstly: it's his left hand in position. Being right handed I always use my right hand.

secondly: I can't see his dick. Don't most guys hold it so at least the head is sticking out.

Used to be the case in France as well! There was a time period when the military health services had hired women doctors and national service was still compulsory.

Questions as to whether he's really pissing

firstly: it's his left hand in position. Being right handed I always use my right hand.

secondly: I can't see his dick. Don't most guys hold it so at least the head is sticking out.

Who knows? About the photo it might very have been altered. Especially when first taken.

But even if it is just miscaptioned, you have to admit that Patton was the kind of person who would have pissed in the Rhine during the war to show his contempt for the enemy.

@BlueDiamond Some people are actually in favor of conscription, for various reasons. Some people say it instills a sense of common purpose, it mixes strata of society, etc. Some say it makes boys into men. Some say it's better to have an army with a majority of draftees, that it avoids possibilities of military coups.

However, it seems that many people in politics nostalgic of national service in France (France suppressed it in the 1990s) are people who did not do it, either because they are women, or they are too young, or because they managed to escape it using their political connections when they were young men (I'm not kidding).

@BlueDiamond Some people are actually in favor of conscription, for various reasons. Some people say it instills a sense of common purpose, it mixes strata of society, etc. Some say it makes boys into men. Some say it's better to have an army with a majority of draftees, that it avoids possibilities of military coups.

However, it seems that many people in politics nostalgic of national service in France (France suppressed it in the 1990s) are people who did not do it, either because they are women, or they are too young, or because they managed to escape it using their political connections when they were young men (I'm not kidding).

@Pecan_nutjob When I was in we had quite a few USs (draftees), a few NGs (National Guard) very few RFAs (Reserve Forces). Mainly there was good natured ribbing between the US and RA troops. Most USs just wanted to get out while the RAs were proud to be there and were mostly sergeants. I was RA because they gave me a written guarantee that I would get the electronics training I wanted plus I had lousy teeth which I expected they would remove and replace. Neither of those were affordable for me or my family. I did get what I wanted so I was a happy RA.

To "Jacana"

when there was still a compulsory military service in France, there was women hired as military doctors in pre-induction military centers and after in barracks during military service, only in the more recent times after the 70's, before these years it was very seldom to be examined by a woman military doctor. After it was true that there was more and more women hired in the medical field in the army, but the nudity was no more the common rule during all exams, even if it lasted required for exams one by one in front of a doctor since there was always a serious inspection of genitals, palpation of balls , hernia test, inspection of penis with pulling back the foreskin, and a visual inspection of the anus area for a check for hemorrhoids, rashes or any other sign of ill health, and sometimes even a finger inserted in the rectum for a check prostate.

I have never heard about it when there was still a physical examination of a group of draftees all stark naked waiting their turn to be examined by the doctor in a huge room of the city hall in front of the dozen members of the draft board commission who could see all their exams in the nude frontally and by back, and even ask to each of them to come in front of them or to walk past to them to check them from head to toes frontally and by back from a more short distance, or even to ask them to turn over, to bend over and touch ankles ( it happened to me with men members of the commission !) and so on .. but if there was no women doctors, there could be seldomly one or two women among the members of the draft commisssion as local representatives of towns, and the nudity rule in group was nevertheless applied, it did not happen to me when I had that degrading and embarrassing exam in the first middle of the 60's, but I have had some relations by friends who had been summoned in a other town than me for their report in front of the draft board commission, and they had been examined in front and under the eyes of one woman who was mayor of a city and sitting among the members of the commission.

After I have had thorough physical examinations at the pre-induction military center like every draftee, even three times because I had been postponed for fitness to military service two times, it was each year an akward physical examination with a long time of total nudity required, no privacy at all, no respect of dignity, and a lot of non commisioners officers to supervise us, but at that time they were all men and there was no exposure to female secretaries nor to a lot of female nurses, but if it was true, it seemed that it changed some years later in the 70's, at least for the female nurses who could be numerous to take in charge some exams like urine and blood test, eyes tests, weigh ins and check of height or other measurements all performed on naked draftees of 18 age or a few years older, certainly always in the nude for all exams like before, I don't know if it was true but I presume that it was, there was no reason to doubt about it since women were taken much more jobs initially devoted to men, the only male environment at the army was seriously questioned.

As regards the presence of women doctors at barracks, it was an event at my time, I remember that there was an article on a news paper for the first female military doctor assigned at barracks because it meaned that she was in charge of the first physical examination of new inductees at their arrival at barracks to do their military service, so she was asked by the journalist how she would do with the military use about nudity, if she would introduce some changes in the lack of privacy of the inductees during exams, and she had answerd that she would change nothing, that she would act exactly like a man military doctor, that if the nudity in group was required by the army, it was not without good reasons, and therefore she would proceed her physical examinations in that way because she might respect the traditions of the army.

At that time there was already some women military doctors but they were always assigned to military hospitals, not at barracks , it was an event because it was new and unexpected by inductees.

Some years ago it might have becomen more common, I presume that during some years, nothing changed and the inductees were stark naked in corridors and for exams at their first thorough physical examination like it was before during so much years, but as everybody knows, there was changes more recently, even before the end of military service, there was more respect of dignity and privacy of inducteees at physical examinations, either at the pre-induction military centers before induction, or at barracks after induction.

A dreamy situation. Being forced naked in front of women is a long time fantasy. Primarily women I know. Widowed now, but in my fantasy it is my wife forcing me to undress in a group of her friends. Either me undressing or being restrained while the ladies remove my clothes.

I think if you ask most female medical professionals, the requirement is to remain professional no matter how aroused or suggestive a male patient becomes. I am sure most dislike a guy who wants to hit on them let alone attempt to show off his stuff. What happens in Zitty allows for us to fantasize. In my view, it would be wrong to suggest that female providers are seeking to sexually provoke a male patient. One usually has choice in seeing a provider if uncomfortable.

Of course, all guys think that they look damn attractive and brutal, but believe me, many look ridiculous. When dozens of naked guys walk in front of you, you simply won’t perceive them as a sexual object.

Of course, all guys think that they look damn attractive and brutal, but believe me, many look ridiculous. When dozens of naked guys walk in front of you, you simply won’t perceive them as a sexual object.

I just look like a shriveled up old man but I do want them to look everywhere in case there's anything wrong.

Boring and who friging cares next please. It is just another day on the job. People doing exams see so much that they just loose interest and collect the data.

Of course, all guys think that they look damn attractive and brutal, but believe me, many look ridiculous. When dozens of naked guys walk in front of you, you simply won’t perceive them as a sexual object.

I think many women are not impressed with the male body. Men often look ridiculous when they are forced to strip naked. However, I think that many women satisfy the need for power. They enjoy the embarrassment and humiliation of a man, especially when he looks funny.

When I did my induction physical it was like a big assembly line.

We started in a classroom of sorts to do paperwork and get instructions, then we were split into groups based upon the service we were joining - Air Force was the biggest group by far. Followed by Army, Marines, then Navy.

We all at on benches and until a group was called - maybe 10 or 15 per group, I really don't remember. Once we were called we presented our paperwork at a desk manned by a young female Sailor and were issued a large plastic laundry basket. She told us to go through the door behind her, strip down to our skivies and place our clothes and shoes in the basket.

We then went in groups from station to station in our underwear carrying our baskets. We would either leave the basket in the hallway or against the wall when it was our turn for whatever station. There seemed to be no concern for the examinees' modesty. While we were only naked briefly with no women around, it seemed like there was no issue parading us around in our skivies in front of male and female staff - not that any of them are phased by it.

Most of the exams were done by males, but I do have 2 distinct memories.

First, at the hernia & hemorrhoid check station, while the exam was done my a male doctor, there was a female nurse present. We entered his station she told us that when we were called, we were to step behind the screen and remove our underwear and place it on top of our basket and wait to be called. The way it worked, there were three of us naked at a time, either waiting for the doctor, being examined, or waiting to put our skivies back on. Although we were behind a screen hidden from the other examinees, if the nurse had chosen to turn around we would have been fully exposed - while waiting to be called to go behind the screen, I never saw her even glance behind her - in sure she couldn't have cared less.

Second was the eye exam. Since the eye exam took longer, there were three stations. The station I was called to was manned by a woman probably in her 40s. I grew up in a rural community of very religious & prudish people, and i was used to being naked around guys my age as that's how we went swimming in the river, and while I had older sisters who took case of me when I was younger, this was different. Standing there in my tightie-whities reading the eye chart and doing the other eye exams was the most humiliating part of the day. I still remember it clearly.

Men often look ridiculous when they are forced to strip naked. However, I think that many women satisfy the need for power. They enjoy the embarrassment and humiliation of a man, especially when he looks funny.

I think that it may be more humiliating to be a commodity in just underwear than to be naked - at least in a situation like this.

I've always wondered why women even want us we're so ugly looking.

I think many women are not impressed with the male body. Men often look ridiculous when they are forced to strip naked. However, I think that many women satisfy the need for power. They enjoy the embarrassment and humiliation of a man, especially when he looks funny.

Yes I think @Reman has hit the nail on the head here. Ladies are generally less visually excited than men are, whilst men are usually less aesthetically pleasing when naked. But the sense of power reversal for those few ladies surrounded by naked men, especially looking back historically, must be huge. And power as we all know can be quite an aphrodisiac.