Naked boys and dressed women

@roscoe and @Parker Firstly Parker I had an experience after being shaved by a male nurse when he went away leaving me naked on the bed with the screens around and came back with a young female student nurse who then took a good look at me naked on the bed; can't think of any legitimate reason to do that. I was embarrassed by that but never said anything to anyone or that he'd told me he enjoyed shaving women especially ones who protested that their husbands had already shaved them at home to quote him ''I can always find a bit he's missed''. I agree I think some nurses do enjoy having power over young boys perhaps as a balance to the frequent test they have to endure at the hands of male doctors as women, pap test etc.

Back to Roscoe's account your wife must surely have know you'd be naked when her friends came to 'console' you did they seem surprised or apologize when they saw you laying there naked. I assume the next two of your wife's friends were also both female, was word being spread that your wife was putting on a good show. I'm also surprised that it sounds as if your wife didn't ask you first if it was alright to send them up.

Then as I understand it she brings her 14 year old sister into the room and gives her permission to examine you more closely; what did that involve? Surely if her sister asked or your wife had wanted her to be 'educated' into the workings of a vasectomy you should have been the one to agree or not to this not your wife. I doubt like me you would have objected to this after being shown the respect of being asked first.

Did you ever afterwards discuss with your wife this exposure to her friends, the only motive I can think of was to educate them as to what was involved on the pretext of consoling you so they could go home and persuade their partners to have the operation. On that subject surely this is the only time an operation on anyone is solely for the benefit of someone else - that's a lot of power women have over men!

I agree I can't imagine any time you would be able to see one of her friends in that way or closely examine her young sister. Your wife ''darling come and look at Ann's new underwear doesn't it look sexy do you think I should get some like that. Oh Ann take those off and show him the other bra and panties aswell'' no thats never going to happen is it!

As a boy growing up in the 70s/80s, it was fairly common to be seen naked by females and also we were expected to “suck it up” in all instances.

At the doctor’s office I got rectal temperatures to age 12 and all of my shots in the bottom until my 20s. The rectal temp was by far the most embarrassing, pants and undies would be pulled down to my knees and I would be laying on the table with the crinkly paper. From about age 10 I started getting an erection from the procedure, and it was always a struggle to not show it when it was time to pull my undies up. Usually I was unsuccessful at trying to get my undies without rolling over. Doors were usually closed at my clinic, but not always completely closed.

Shots were a bit less embarrassing, I only pulled my undies down below my butt and was allowed to stand up, which seemed more grown up to me. I had the same nurse all throughout most of my childhood, so I was accustomed to her seeing me. One time, however, she had a very young intern assisting her and she gave me my shot which made me yelp and tear up. It was quite humiliating, it felt like she had spanked me, and she was only a few years older than I was at the time. And she saw everything.

In high school there was a female coach who used to come talk to the male coaches in their office, which had a window that overlooked the locker area, meaning she could see us changing. In high school they didn’t enforce showers, at least, but she was still there and a few times walked right through the locker area. Of course, the reverse situation would’ve been scandalous.

I also got spanked by my grandmother once at 15, and it was on the bare butt. I tried leaving both my pants and underwear up going over her knee and was told to get my pants down, then I tried leaving my underwear up and was told “breeches too!” I then had to pull my underwear down right in front of her and go over her knee. She saw my front and had a bird’s eye view of my butt. After the spanking I was quite upset, mostly hurt that my grandma spanked me.

My mom saw me naked quite a bit. She was there in the doctor’s office, spanked me at various times, came in my room at will without knocking, etc. This continued even into young adulthood when I would visit.

No feelings of ill will to any of them. At the time some of the situations were quite humiliating. The most humiliating was the young intern that gave me the shot. However, I lived through all of it, and I don’t disagree with the double standard either.

My mom saw me naked quite a bit. She was there in the doctor’s office, spanked me at various times, came in my room at will without knocking, etc. This continued even into young adulthood when I would visit.

I had the same thing, my mother thought I shouldn't be ashamed of her. The worst humiliation was when my mother saw my examination at the pediatrician. In her presence, I had my genitals examined until the age of 15. I tolerated situations better when she saw me undressed in the house without witnesses. Just like you, my mom used to come into my room without knocking. In the bathroom, I was not allowed to close the lock while in the tub.

@johncrossley

I agree I think some nurses do enjoy having power over young boy

I only experienced how nurses were was when I was 10 and had my tonsils out. That was 70 years ago and they were very authoritative back then anyhow. However I did enjoy the bed baths I got, perhaps because I didn't have to do anything but lie there. They WERE in charge and you didn't do/say shit. The next time I was 81 a couple years ago and they have certainly changed. Now they are very nice but I wish they'd stop repeating "I'm sorry" constantly when they stick a needle in. That IS what I expect them to do, why should they be sorry?

Back to Roscoe's account your wife must surely have know you'd be naked when her friends came to 'console' you did they seem surprised or apologize when they saw you laying there naked. I assume the next two of your wife's friends were also both female, was word being spread that your wife was putting on a good show. I'm also surprised that it sounds as if your wife didn't ask you first if it was alright to send them up.

Oh she knew, she had to place the pillow because I couldn't reach down there to do it. I only mentioned 2 but it was more like a parade including the 18 year old girl who rented one of our apartments. What I found funny was they were sitting around having coffee with her and consoling her when I'm the one whose balls were swollen to about the size of a baseball. Coming up to console me seemed to be an afterthought. Being exposed like that didn't bother me maybe due to my childhood experiences playing naked in the lawn sprinkler with the only playmates I had who happened to be girls, or maybe because it was MY house and MY bed, and MY balls and I wasn't doing anything wrong.

Then as I understand it she brings her 14 year old sister into the room and gives her permission to examine you more closely; what did that involve? Surely if her sister asked or your wife had wanted her to be 'educated' into the workings of a vasectomy you should have been the one to agree or not to this not your wife.

My wife had wanted to become a nurse so when her sister said SHE wanted to be a nurse that made it alright. That was the thing to say to get my wife hooked. She just wanted to see what he did to me and see the stitches. Of course I'm sure she wanted to see everything else too. Her bf is cut and I still have my foreskin so I'm sure she wanted to see what that looked like. She even picked my penis up to see my scrotum and the cuts on each side. I couldn't reach down there and my wife won't touch me so having her sister pick it up WAS nice.

I doubt like me you would have objected to this after being shown the respect of being asked first.

Yeah I really don't mind. My NP at the VA used me as a training aid for a female trainee she had when I was in for my annual physical which included the prostate check. She asked first. If any of the people I see now like my dermatologist or personal doctor who are both females, want to have someone in to watch and learn it's fine with me.

Did you ever afterwards discuss with your wife this exposure to her friends, the only motive I can think of was to educate them as to what was involved on the pretext of consoling you so they could go home and persuade their partners to have the operation. On that subject surely this is the only time an operation on anyone is solely for the benefit of someone else - that's a lot of power women have over men!

I agree I can't imagine any time you would be able to see one of her friends in that way or closely examine her young sister. Your wife ''darling come and look at Ann's new underwear doesn't it look sexy do you think I should get some like that. Oh Ann take those off and show him the other bra and panties aswell'' no thats never going to happen is it!

Ha! Ha! Her sister ended up being assigned to live with us by the sheriff when she was 16 because she kept running away from home. She put on some great shows. She was a beautiful girl and she used to go out our bathroom window onto the garage roof to lie in the sun. When the town truck came by picking up the trash the guys could see her up there from one spot in the street about 10 feet long. When she discovered they were enjoying the view she began doing it topless. I had a TV shop in part of the garage which had started out as just a place to sit on a bed I had built to enjoy the pot belly stove I had out there. She and her bf would come out while I was working to use the bed as their own fuck-bed. I couldn't actually see her because he was on top. Those were the days of crotch-less pantyhose and she wore them for her BFs pleasure and to tease the hell out of me. When she was waiting for him to pick her up she would sit opposite me in the living-room wearing a mini skirt and keep her legs open for my viewing pleasure but mostly to torture me by showing me what I was NOT going to have. The earlier vasectomy I had was the end of my sex life and she knew it from talking with her sister, my wife. She had become religious and her bible says that sex is only for making babies. Since I could no longer impregnate her we should no longer have sex. But 20 years later after I had heart bypass surgery, when I came home she jumped my bones and rode me like a cowgirl. I went in for the interview with the girl who ran cardiac rehab and after I sat down in front of her desk the first question she asked was "how's your sex life?" After just being rode down like a young horse I replied "great". Little did I know being rode like that would be the only time I would ever have sex except with my own hand since the vasectomy.

@roscoe

Yes I agree bed-baths did excite me when I was 16 not given by nurses but female orderlies in my experience but sadly I was always handed the flannel to was my own bits but they turn me on my side to wash my bottom.

Perhaps your wife knew you wouldn't be bothered being seen naked by her friends but I would have still expected her to warn you at least before the first friend came to see you.

I'm sure your wife's sister's motive was to embarrass you and to see what you had down there, she sounds like she was quite sexually aware at 14 might have seen other boys but to see her brother-in-law naked was probably quite a thrill. She'd also know you'd always be aware that she'd seen you naked and would always remember that image. I am surprised that she was allowed to touch your penis and examine your stitches, OK your wife perhaps thought she wanted to be a nurse but with you that sore down there was she not concerned her sister might hurt you?

I'm however that you did enjoy the touching during that painful period - might have been worth inviting her to come and check progress as you recovered!

@roscoe

Yes I agree bed-baths did excite me when I was 16 not given by nurses but female orderlies in my experience but sadly I was always handed the flannel to was my own bits but they turn me on my side to wash my bottom.

I was 5 or 6 the last time my mother bathed me so getting a bed bath at 10 from the nurses was really nice. I'd kind of like to know the psycology behind how I felt when my mother stopped bathing me. I felt a kind of loss of closeness with my mother that's hard to describe. One thing I missed was her touch especially when she retracted my foreskin to wash my penis. I'd just like to know the psychology behind that, at 5 years old it surely wasn't sexual. She told me I had to do that myself and she came in a few times to check by retracting it herself. I always enjoyed that when she did.

Perhaps your wife knew you wouldn't be bothered being seen naked by her friends but I would have still expected her to warn you at least before the first friend came to see you.

That did seem strange as she locks the bathroom door even when I'm the only other person in the house but it seems to go back to the old attitude that it's fine for females to see naked males but not the other way around.

I'm sure your wife's sister's motive was to embarrass you and to see what you had down there, she sounds like she was quite sexually aware at 14 might have seen other boys but to see her brother-in-law naked was probably quite a thrill. She'd also know you'd always be aware that she'd seen you naked and would always remember that image. I am surprised that she was allowed to touch your penis and examine your stitches, OK your wife perhaps thought she wanted to be a nurse but with you that sore down there was she not concerned her sister might hurt you?

She just wanted to see and touch and she knew how to unlock my wife's approval by saying "nurse". The touching seemed appropriate since the penis usually lays to one side so it was hiding the stitches on that side and she just took hold of the end of the foreskin to lift it and move it to the other side.

I'm however that you did enjoy the touching during that painful period - might have been worth inviting her to come and check progress as you recovered!

You are correct, I didn't mind and I did like her touching me. She did check the progress later after the stitches had come out of one side. I always thought of asking her to let me look at her vulva to see if it looks like her sister's. In particular my wife has no discernible clitoris not even a grain of sand can I feel there so I've always wondered if her sister has the same or does she have a clitoris that can actually be seen and felt? I guess that's out of the question though. When they were discussing her sister having one inverted nipple and my wife looking at it, I was not allowed to see it. That was because my wife wouldn't allow it. I know her sister would have shown it to me. She doesn't know about it but one time after she had gone to bed and it was just me and the sister and her bf sitting at the table having a beer we got talking about her funny looking nipple and he took out her breast and had me look at it and feel them both to compare.

I don't know how old she was when this happened maybe 13 or 14. She was babysitting our 2 boys while we went out. She wondered what it felt like to breast feed or at least have her tits sucked so she put one boy on each breast. The oldest told his mom about that years later and she was livid. Another lapse of years and she finally mentioned it in front of me. I just thought it was kind of neat and wished I could have had a babysitter like that.

@roscoe

I was about the same age 5 or 6 when my mother stopped bathing me and I certainly felt a loss when I lost that private time alone with her. I can't however remember ever having my foreskin checked by anyone as child or ever having sex explained to me either at home or either of the two Catholic schools I attended. My knowledge of sex was gained from friends who I now know also had very little accurate information. I can remember at age 11 when I was first seriously ill saying to my mother when she wanted come into the bathroom to check on me as I completely blocked that I didn't mind her examining me ''as were all the same.''

Your Wife! That really is a double standard she locks the bathroom door but allows her female friends to see you completely naked. And your 14 year old sister-in-law is allowed to examine and touch your penis and testicles but you're not allowed to see her nipple.

It's always the women having control over men's bodies but never the other way around if one of her friends had had an operation anywhere on her body I doubt you would have been invited to see the results.

Nor can I ever imagine a brother asking his sister or sister-in-law ''Can my son and his friend examine your genitals they has an exam in school tomorrow and seem to be struggling to identify women's sexual parts.'' Her reply ''Of course come up stairs all of you to my bedroom and I'll get undressed. Do you boys want me to strip completely or just remove my panties - probably easier if I strip completely then you can both examine anything you need to I suppose.. NO THATS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN,

@johncrossley No one ever checked my foreskin except for the neighbor girl when she noticed my penis didn't look like her brothers. I pulled back the foreskin and she exclaimed "now it does" and asked if she could retract it. We were about 8 or 9 and since my mother used to do that every time she gave me a bath I didn't see any reason to tell her no. Funny thing happened when she did, I got an erection. Now I knew what the funny feelings were inside my pants sometimes. Her touch definitely felt different and better than my mother's touch.

I wonder, if females didn't forcibly and unfairly take control over boys that way would we have pimps taking severe control over girls later in life?

My mother was taken to the hospital when I was about 7 to have her appendix removed. I wanted to see the scar she had but I never did. She used to get in bed with me until I went to sleep and I kept asking to look at it. She let me feel it though and I felt her bush up where the scar was. I think she would have shown it to me if it wasn't for my father. I remember seeing her whole naked body when I was young. We rented a camp in Maine until I was 5 and the well was the only place to keep things cold so there was a path from the kitchen to the well. She used to put a chaise lounge chair beside the path and lie on it naked in the sun. So for several years until I was 5 it was normal for me to see both sides of her naked body. She was between 36 and 40 at the time.

Thinking about it now it seems strange that she didn't mind me seeing her naked at the camp but I never saw her naked at home.

This was not something that was unusual back when i was growing up, little boy were never really given any privacy. Quite common at bath time, both my mother and my aunt would walk in the bathroom without a thought. Same for if i was sick and laying on mothers bed with a thermometer in my bottom. Of course i was stripped for enema time also, i was usually undressed in mothers room and then she would lead me by the hand to her bathroom. I would have to stand there naked while she prepared everything, i can remember her looking at me in the mirror and smiling. Different times then

@roscoe

You mention of the girl next door reminds me of my first 'sexual' experience with the girl next door to me. I was pre-school possibly 4 years old and was playing with the girl next door (don't get excited I wasn't that advanced) in her house and I know her mother had gone out probably to the local shops. This girl Sandra was older than me possibly 7 or 8 years old. I needed to pee so wanted to go home but instead she took me to her bathroom. I can picture the bathroom now but what is a stronger image in my mind is what happened. I think I might have sat down to pee encouraged by her; she never had any brothers so might have thought everyone did. I only think this because I know after I'd finished I stood facing her with my shorts down and encouraged by her held my T shirt up over my chest so exposing me from chest to ankles. I remember standing there like that but nothing of any conversation. She then used the toilet with me still in the bathroom but didn't expose anything of herself.

I assume she had reached an age when she'd become curious about boys genitals but being and only child I was an opportunity to satisfy her curiosity. Strangely being so young I wasn't aware of sex but I know the encounter excited me and obviously has stayed in my memory for nearly 70 years.

@roscoe

You mention of the girl next door reminds me of my first 'sexual' experience with the girl next door to me.

@johncrossley I only had 2 girls for playmates growing up, no boys my age on my street. We used to play in my father's lawn sprinkler naked so we were quite familiar with our differences. When I would go behind the bushes to pee they would follow me to watch. I had a special thing to do that and they didn't, that intrigued them. I feel I was lucky to grow up with girls. The other guys in school didn't know what girls looked like and were always trying to get a peek somewhere.

@roscoe

Your experience with the two girls reminds me of when I was first married and my wife wanted to 'try-out' my penis by holding it for me while I peed. Quite a strange feeling perhaps a lost memory of my mother doing that when I was very young.

Last person to touch my penis (other than me obviously) was my sister-in-law but that's another story!

From another discussion board there is a thread about the kids going in for a sports physical before the start of school from 6th grade through seniors. This is in smaller schools like in country areas. Most are brought in by mothers because fathers are working so the moms bring their other children with them. The girls exams are at one end of the gym with partitions set up for privacy. The boys exams are at the other end of the gym where they are simply in a line waiting to see the doctors and nurses, no partitions. The moms and whoever they brought with them are sitting in the bleachers waiting. When the boys get within a half dozen near the doctors they are required to strip naked and put their clothes on the bleachers. Since that show is more interesting to the mothers especially seeing the older boys naked, most of the waiting crowd is at the boys end which is enjoyable for the younger girls who came with mom. The first year the writer's boy was there he was very embarrassed standing in line naked for 10 to 20 minutes while all the moms and young girls were studying him and the other boys and they would talk among themselves while pointing to different boys. As the boys got older they seemed to be used to it or accepting of their fate so they could play sports anyhow. When they got to the doctors they got the finger lift and cough test and bend over and spread your cheeks thing plus retract your foreskins if you have them, so the girls waiting with mom got a very good view of everything a boy has. There were quite a few mothers writing in who came from other rural areas where it was done the same way. One of them mentioned the swimming team practice at the school her daughters attended. Grades 6 through 12. The girls all wore the same black one piece suits and the boys were not allowed to wear any. She said most of the onlookers were moms with younger daughters who giggled and pointed to whatever boy they liked. The moms would talk to each other while obviously studying the attributes of some boy.

Someone wrote that they didn't think it was fair that the boys were on display like that when the girls were inside partitions. The writer said she thought it was quite appropriate because "Girls NEED to know what boys look like" and "that they are all different". That opinion was supported by about 9 out of ten of the other writers.

Personally I think both sexes NEED to know what the other looks like and the differences. It seems to me that in today's world of the internet most young ones get their opinions about that from porn where the actors are chosen for a particular appearance. The men all have larger penises minus the foreskin and the women all have smooth shaven and neat looking outer lips with neat looking inner lips inside, not out past the outer lips and nice symmetrical breasts. So many girls are quite surprised when they find their boyfriend's penis is smaller and has a funny skin hiding that neat looking end and boys are surprised to see wrinkly inner lips of different lengths hanging out and uneven breasts. So they both think there's something wrong with each other and themselves even to the point of not being very happy with the person they chose.

It seems to me that in today's world of the internet most young ones get their opinions about that from porn where the actors are chosen for a particular appearance.

And in which the male actors look like tattooed, emaciated addicts who wear baseball caps on backwards during sex ... ugh ...

When this happened as a child, I felt great shame and embarrassment. It must have seemed to me the greatest shame that could ever happen. Especially when female doctors began to examine and feel my intimate places, forcing me to become in the most awkward positions.

@roscoe

A perfect example of double standards but with what motive?

Most of the mothers bringing children, boys and girls, would presumably have gone through the same process when they were at school. As girls they would most likely have joined their mothers at the boy's end after their examination and so enjoy the show. As adults then, they would know they were in for a free show of a line-up of naked boys of all ages and perhaps enjoy a bit of pride when comparing their son's bodies with the other boys.

The boys would obviously feel humiliated and perhaps more compliant later when in presence of female teachers, aunties, and their mothers, delaying their natural dominance as they grew older. The girls being able to see the boys genitals would to some extent perhaps satisfy their natural curiosity even if they had brothers they had seen nude by seeing a number of boys naked for comparison. I also wonder what effect it would have in a mixed class when the girls would have had the privilege of seeing their male class mates naked - less dominance by the boys perhaps.

The boys naturally left at a disadvantage after undergoing this public humiliation of standing nude in front of mothers, class mate's mothers, sisters and class mate's sisters older and younger. I've just looked up the grade system used in the USA and see grade 12 can be 17 -18 years old, so basically adults being viewed naked while being intimately examined in front of females of all ages; that must have been really embarrassing. As I understand it a 17 -18 year old young man would have to strip naked in front of neighbours, class mate's mothers or any other female sat in the row who could justify their presence there.

I agree in this day and age of the internet this procedure would perhaps give the girls a more realistic idea of what 'real' boys and young men actually look like so as not to have un-realistic expectations when seeing their a boy friend's bodies for the first time. The boys however left to school gossip or perhaps brief glimpses of a sister or cousin.

As adults then, they would know they were in for a free show of a line-up of naked boys of all ages and perhaps enjoy a bit of pride when comparing their son's bodies with the other boys.

As with most procedures and customs, I doubt this naked line-up of boys in school was done everywhere.

So, for those of you with experience, in what states/locations was this done and during what years (more or less)?

I went to various schools in the US in the 1950-60s and I never ever experienced, nor heard of such a thing occurring. But I suppose it could very well have been customary in other parts of the country.

So, if so, I'd be curious to know where this was done and during what years.

@agracier

Yes I'd certainly like to have this verified as true or not; not that I believe you can ever prove a negative.

In the UK I do remember at age 5 being exposed to mothers, and the rest of a mixed class and the female teacher when being inoculated/tested with some sort of jelly put on each of our bottoms. I've never been able to find out what that was for and that was the only time we were exposed like that during school. We did get other medicals at 11 and 15 (the minimum school leaving age) but only with other boys and with a screen for privacy when the nurse checked our penis and tectacles.

Yes I felt embarassed to have to disrobe in front of a young nurse. I would try to leave my underpants on but she removed it . i would be standing in front of her nakedand examined by her naked. I was very embarassed and shy!

I never liked it, but I knew I was powerless to stop it. I also knew a little naked boy who complained too much was an easy target for getting spanked.

I remember a combined play-date of 6 or 7 boys along with their moms. We boys were sent outside to play while the moms chatted. With lax supervision we got into playing in muddy area of the yard which we expanded with the help of a garden hose. We were a muddy mess by the time the moms noticed.

The moms lined us up and had us strip naked in the backyard. One mom collected the muddy clothes, another hosed us down and the third dried us off with a towel before being allowed inside the house. We boys then spent the afternoon playing naked inside while our clothes were washed and dried. I occurred to me sometime later that the boys whose home it was certainly could have put on other clothes and at least supplied the rest with clean underpants for the duration. But I think the moms enjoyed the show and the control they had of the situation.

As with most procedures and customs, I doubt this naked line-up of boys in school was done everywhere.

So, for those of you with experience, in what states/locations was this done and during what years (more or less)?

I never heard of it happening around here but I can understand it might in smaller more remote districts. I also would like hear from anyone who experienced it and where.

Growing up with a strict mother (as my single parent) I faced many times a lot of embarrassing situations...

One of the most embarrassing ones, was that till I was 10, almost 11 years old, my mother used to undress me by all my cloths when we were on the beach during our summer vacation. Many times it was also present my aunt and at least one of her three daugthers (my cousins) who always wore swim suits like my mother and my aunt. When I was younger than 6 or 7 years old , I wasn't really care for this, being something common back then in The '80s here in Europe, but being around 8 years old, I started to be really shy and embarrassed. Back then my mother always encouraged me to go "au naturel" every time and every were was social acceptable, always explained to me that is much more healthy for me, but somehow I always suspected her and my aunt that they secretly enjoyed watched me running around naked on the beach among my dressed girls cousins, like finding to be something cute and funny, especially when I wasn't a toddler enymore...

Some years later, in one unespected disscusion with my mother, I told her about this memories and ask her for some point of views about this things and she confessed me that she liked to keep me like that because usually I was a hipper active really spoiled kid and when I was naked I acted much more quiet (well behaved) being more obedient and polite with my aunt and my cousins...

@Jumbix: One of the most embarrassing ones, was that till I was 10, almost 11 years old, my mother used to undress me by all my cloths when we were on the beach during our summer vacation.

Wow - brings back memories... not on the beach; but while staying with relatives and had gotten sunburn during a day at the beach. Later at dinner time, in the kitchen, in front of everyone my mom took off my pants and underwear to show my aunt the burn. Taking off my underwear showed the contrast. Funny, I was not embarrassed being seen by my aunt - it was my girl cousins; now that was most embarrassing and clearly remember their giggling 😳😳😳😳

•

In high school there was a female coach who used to come talk to the male coaches in their office, which had a window that overlooked the locker area, meaning she could see us changing. In high school they didn’t enforce showers, at least, but she was still there and a few times walked right through the locker area. Of course, the reverse situation would’ve been scandalous.

@oldskoolotk

•

At the private Christian junior and senior high schools that I attended in the 1970's, the PE coaches were the school disciplinarians. They had paddles and straps hanging on the walls inside the boys' and girl's locker rooms.

Most of the time, PE coaches were the same sex as their students, but occasionally a coach of the opposite sex would be a substitute coach on a particular day. Also occasionally, boys and girls participated in co-ed PE units, with a coach who was obviously of the opposite sex of approximately half the mixed-gender students. When these kinds of things happened, the girls' locker room sometimes went unsupervised before and after class, because it would indeed have been considered "scandalous" for an adult male to see the naked tween/teen girls, let alone administer corporal punishment upon a naked female student. If a girl had earned an appointment with the paddle or the strap on a day when a female coach was not available, the appointment was simply postponed for a day (or two -- until the female coach returned), or the female Assistant Principal came to the girls' locker room to administer the punishment.

HOWEVER, when no male coaches were available on certain days, female coaches did not hesitate to supervise showers and administer discipline inside the boys' locker room. If a boy had an appointment with the paddle/strap after class, the coach would be waiting outside the shower area (in the dry-off area) where the sopping-wet boy would stand in front of the coach for a brief lecture (often with an erect penis, especially if the coach was female), then fetch the paddle/strap, then bend over an old decommissioned vaulting horse, and then receive his swats/whipping (with his PE classmates watching)...

"One. Thank you, Ma'am."

"Two. Thank you, Ma'am."

"Three. Thank you, Ma'am."

ETC

I have other examples of how boys (even young men) were not afforded modesty regarding nudity back in the "good old days". It was definitely humbling, and sometimes very embarrassing, and it definitely required naughty boys to sometimes submit to the disciplinary domination of a female authority figure. I know that, after my first locker room "appointment" with Miss (Coach) Price, I had a new-found respect for her authority! She was a young teacher (~24.y.o.), petite, and VERY attractive. Standing naked in front of her for discipline, when I was ~15.y.o., with my rock hard erection also standing at attention, was SO embarrassing (but exciting, at the same time). And, she was very athletic and she knew how to TAN naughty boys as effectively as any of our fathers! I didn't sit comfortably in my Geometry, Spanish, and Biology classes that afternoon! After that punishment, I was always very QUICK! to obey Miss Price, and I always addressed her as Ma'am (even in the hallways, and when I crossed paths with her around town). At the time, I was horrified at the thought of ever again having to stand naked in front of her, and fetch the strap! I made it through the rest of high school with only a few more locker room punishment "appointments", and only one of those was with Miss Price.

Now, however, decades later, I would definitely take advantage of every opportunity to go back in time... to be intentionally naughty in PE class... whenever Coach Price would be supervising the boys' locker room!...

😳

I often wondered how Miss Price felt, at such a young age, about supervising and disciplining naked boys, as old as 17.y.o.? When it was time to put a boy over the vaulting horse, she took her job seriously, and she didn't hesitate to TAN boys' hides! I don't remember a single high school boy being tough enough to accept her discipline without at least being brought to quiet tears (middle school boys often cried/wailed like kindergartners). But, when NOT being a strict disciplinarian, she was a favorite PE coach, because she was young and she made sure that PE class was always a lot of fun. During my senior year in high school, she married one of the boys' (male) PE coaches and I remember thinking that if I were him, I would definitely be a naughty husband at least once a month!

🤔

•

I know that, after my first locker room "appointment" with Miss (Coach) Price, I had a new-found respect for her authority! She was a young teacher (~24.y.o.), petite, and VERY attractive. Standing naked in front of her for discipline, when I was ~15.y.o., with my rock hard erection also standing at attention, was SO embarrassing (but exciting, at the same time). And, she was very athletic and she knew how to TAN naughty boys as effectively as any of our fathers! (...) After that punishment, I was always very QUICK! to obey Miss Price, and I always addressed her as Ma'am (even in the hallways, and when I crossed paths with her around town).

For a boy, being undressed in front of a female teacher is humiliating. However, he teaches subordination to her. There is no need for corporal punishment. A friend of mine told me that at summer camp, a female teacher supervised the boys' shower. It was embarrassing for them, but they got used to it. They were very obedient to this teacher. The fact that she saw them naked made them subservient.

Back on the double standards theme here in the UK I've experienced several occasions when this seems to extend into adult life. My first experience was at the RIBA London when visiting the gent's toilet. I was stood at the urinals when I noticed coming along the row was a middle aged woman squirting cleaning fluid into them. I was mid-stream so she paused beside me till I'd finished then as I turned away she continued spraying cleaner into the urinal I'd just used and on down the row. This was several years ago but I now often see notices outside motorway service station toilets warning that female attendants are cleaning the facilities.

Another time while attending and outdoor theatre during the interval when the ladies toilet had a long queue outside quite a lot of women came into the gents toilets to use the cubicles while we men stood at the urinals.

I can't imagine I'd be allowed to enter the ladies toilets without causing a barrage of complaints.

Back on the double standards theme here in the UK I've experienced several occasions when this seems to extend into adult life. My first experience was at the RIBA London when visiting the gent's toilet. I was stood at the urinals when I noticed coming along the row was a middle aged woman squirting cleaning fluid into them. I was mid-stream so she paused beside me till I'd finished then as I turned away she continued spraying cleaner into the urinal I'd just used and on down the row. This was several years ago but I now often see notices outside motorway service station toilets warning that female attendants are cleaning the facilities.

I attended an electronics seminar where they didn't give us a chance to use the toilets. Began at 8 am and went to noon, They did serve plenty of coffee though. At noon we all hit the men's room only to find a cleaning lady inside. We went in anyhow we had to go so bad. She just kept on cleaning like she didn't even notice us.

Another time while attending and outdoor theatre during the interval when the ladies toilet had a long queue outside quite a lot of women came into the gents toilets to use the cubicles while we men stood at the urinals.

That seems to be a common thing where they have intermissions. The women can't wait in their long line so they use the men's room.

I can't imagine I'd be allowed to enter the ladies toilets without causing a barrage of complaints.

At the watering hole I used to frequent we kind of shared the two rooms but most of us knew each other anyway. The fun was when a stranger (female) was in the place and discovered our sharing. The drag strip in Canada where I raced sometimes had unisex restrooms. I found it quite pleasant and not at all embarrassing to have a girl sitting on a toilet facing me from the side standing at the urinal. We usually had a conversation about the racing. I think we should all have unisex restrooms it would certainly make things much simpler.

At noon we all hit the men's room only to find a cleaning lady inside. We went in anyhow we had to go so bad. She just kept on cleaning like she didn't even notice us.That seems to be a common thing

Use the rest rooms at almost any French highway rest area cafe/restaurant and there will inevitably be female cleaning staff at work. I don't think anyone much notices one way or the other.

Agracier said….

Use the rest rooms at almost any French highway rest area cafe/restaurant and there will inevitably be female cleaning staff at work.

It gets even better than this in France (and Europe). A few years ago, I was on a bus from LeHavre to Paris when we stopped at a large Shell rest stop. The line to the Women’s restroom was way out the door, so many women just went into the men’s room! Yes, it was a bit strange, but not uncomfortable, to see MANY women coming in while men were peeing at the urinals. The tour guide on our bus told us that in France it was not uncommon for women to use men’s restrooms. In another situation, in Rome, at the airport, I wanted to relieve myself and have a BM before taking the long flight to Atlanta. Upon entering the restroom, I saw three women diligently cleaning the place while men nonchalantly took care of their business. There was a line to use the sit down toilets, so I had to wait a few minutes for one to become available. When a guy came out of a stall, one of the women about knocked me down as I was entering. She explained she had to clean the seat first despite it looking pretty clean to me.

We all know our anatomical differences, if we didn't make such a big deal out of it I think we'd all be better off. Many things in life would certainly be easier. Sure men ARE turned on visually but would that be as big a problem unless we make it that? I think possibly girls/women are not as visually turned on as men may be because they are allowed to see naked boys from an early age and it's considered normal that they do. If boys were allowed to see girls naked in the same way would they be so turned on? Maybe it's a conspiracy to make us want them so,😈