Circumcision during another surgical procedure

How about the old standard "come here Billy my friend Nancy wants to see what your penis looks like without a foreskin. Drop your pants."

What if that was the father? "come here Susie drop your panties and show Sam what your clitoris looks like without a hood over it. He's thinking of having Jill's hood removed when she gets her tonsils out".

I have read about this happening in the US armed forces, in the Navy I believe. It was in the book ‘Foreskin, a Closer Look’ by Bud Berkeley. He documented a number of cases and said it was not an infrequent occurrence, men having minor surgery under full anesthesia and waking up with a foreskin missing.

During the World War I, the US military conducted a major effort to promote circumcision because of their widespread belief that circumcised service men were less likely to contract sexually transmitted diseases. New conscripts, usually in their late teens or early 20s, were ordered to undergo a circumcision. Interestingly, for many years, probably until the beginning of the World War II, circumcision was more prevalent among adult males as compared to newborns or young children.

When service men delisted, returned home, and fathered children, they often requested doctors to circumcise their sons. Eventually, the prevalence of circumcision leveled between all age groups, especially when US hospitals began to routinely circumcise newborn boys and also when circumcision devices, such as Gomco, were introduced into the US market.

When service men delisted, returned home, and fathered children, they often requested doctors to circumcise their sons.

And when army doctors were demobilized after the war, they also carried along the military mindset on circumcision with them into civilian life.

And when army doctors were demobilized after the war, they also carried along the military mindset on circumcision with them into civilian life.

I am sure that this was true. Eventually, circumcision has become a strong social norm.

My classmate at school had a tonsillectomy when he was 13 years old. He was also circumcised during the operation. His pediatrician had been insisting for a couple of years that he be circumcised since the foreskin was tight but his parents were worried about hospitalization and anesthesia.

I've also heard stories about US doctors performing tonsillectomies and circumcisions at the same time. It seemed to be a common practice to perform both operations at once.

I guess both me and my father were lucky we never lost our foreskins. He came home from France in WWI through the hospital system because he was wounded and gassed and went into the hospital tagged to have his arm removed. He had a new young surgeon who had them wake him up so he could ask him if he wanted him to try to save his arm. Of course he said YES but he didn't lose his foreskin either. My mother never told me if they asked about removing my foreskin when I had my tonsils out which in my opinion was also unnecessary.

@Edoardo

I understand all the medical and financial arguments for it, but involuntarily circumcising a boy at 13 crosses a line for me.

Pre-puberty, pre-teens, then the parents are in charge, and if doctor strongly recommends it, then there's little argument.

Once a boy is into puberty, and most likely masturbating, then there has to be co-consent.

Phimosis, foreskin discomfort, adhesions, all good reasons for, but the teenage patient has to consent!

If this is true, it's child abuse, and genital mutilation IMHO.

At his age, all his parents and doctors can do is give him advise. The decision should be his to make, and his alone.

If this is true, it's child abuse, and genital mutilation IMHO.

At his age, all his parents and doctors can do is give him advise. The decision should be his to make, and his alone.

Ever since I learned of FGM I have questioned why circumcision just for fun isn't considered MGM. My wife has a buried clitoris so when she had to go back for some repairs to her vagina after child birth we asked if they would uncover it while she was numbed up. The OB/GYN said "we don't do that" in a very insulting manner as though we'd requested something wrong or illegal.

Apparently there is no such thing as MGM, maybe if they cut the penis or balls completely off.

The husband of the woman who used to own the diner where I go went in for a vasectomy and came back with his foreskin missing. We used to kid him about what she had done to him but she was proud of it.

The husband of the woman who used to own the diner where I go went in for a vasectomy and came back with his foreskin missing. We used to kid him about what she had done to him but she was proud of it.

I suppose there are women who take (a sort of perverse/sadistic?) pride in being able to exert influence on the condition of a man's penis, especially by imposing a form of surgery or physical alteration.

I doubt the surgeon (urologist) would circumcise an adult married male without his explicit consent. Maybe his wife threatened him into consenting to it, but I don't believe the doc would do it based on her telling him to without consulting the patient.

Parents should talk to their teenage kids about medical procedures etc. and make sure they understand the issues. But ultimately (IMHO) they are responsible for the health decisions up until the age of 18. There should be valid medical reasons for those decisions. Conversely, what is scary to me, is kids being able to make decisions about certain surgeries that will change them for life without parental consent and approval.

@roscoe

> The husband of the woman who used to own the diner where I go went in for a vasectomy and came back with his foreskin missing. We used to kid him about what she had done to him but she was proud of it.

How is that even possible? Did she sign his consent forms on his behalf?

Why was she proud of it?

The husband of the woman who used to own the diner where I go went in for a vasectomy and came back with his foreskin missing. We used to kid him about what she had done to him but she was proud of it.

How is that even possible? Did she sign his consent forms on his behalf?

Why was she proud of it?

I would surmise some sort of castration fascination or sublimated fantasy on her part. Maybe a sort of domineering power trip or getting back at her husband or men in general for some reason or another.

Or maybe she has sympathies for radical feminists like Andrea Dworkin or whomever. You have to admit that some of them are true men-haters and given half the opportunity, might be just as bad as any garden variety political/religious radical in their earnestness to get back at their main target: men in any way they can.

Circumcision is but a baby step perhaps, certainly if it not really consensual or she browbeat him into having it done.

@agracier Or her husband did not "last" long and she hoped it would help, or he did not wash yet required blowjobs…

@agracier Or her husband did not "last" long and she hoped it would help, or he did not wash yet required blowjobs…

Would that be a sufficient reason for her to be proud and presumably gloat over the circumcision?

If the above as you mention were the case, seems she would take a more relieved attitude and talk/boast about the new benefits for both.

We always suspected he agreed to it but it made a good story.

She was a bit crazy. She used to call me conehead and I called her "the fat lady".

I used to get an english muffin every morning and she had a burned one in the kitchen one time so she gave me that one. I ate it anyway just for spite. After that she always burned mine just because. When she brought it out she would say: scrape it the color you like it. If I wanted peanut butter she would give it to me but wouldn't give me a knife to spread it with.

Her mother had died and her father gave her the money To but the diner from the life insurance. He remarried a much younger woman and they would come in once in a while. She called her "mommy bitch" loud enough so everyone would hear.

It wouldn't surprise me if she had finagled the circumcision but I think it's more likely she talked him into it.

@roscoe Did he suffer from erectile dysfunction?

Some French Zity member told me he got circumcised in adult age because he had phimosis. His wife pushed for it because she wanted to have intercourse properly, which he could not because erections were uncomfortable and thus did not last. (Also, phimosis resulted in hygiene issues, e.g. on a beach he could get sand under it that would be difficult to get rid of.)

I once knew a nurse (or physician assistant, not sure, who he exactly was) who told me that it was customary practice to circumcise male residents in the nursing home where he used to work. They commonly circumcised diabetic residents, residents who required frequent catheterizations or were bedridden, or when another medical procedure requiring general anesthesia was performed.

I once knew a nurse (or physician assistant, not sure, who he exactly was) who told me that it was customary practice to circumcise male residents in the nursing home where he used to work. They commonly circumcised diabetic residents, residents who required frequent catheterizations or were bedridden, or when another medical procedure requiring general anesthesia was performed.

Does not surprise me one bit.

Some years previously, a well-known member, Mashie, would recount horror tales, which I expect were more than a tad exaggerated, about older bedridden men in old folks homes (or whatever the pc term is now) supposedly going through agonies of pain due to not being circumcised. She was a vehement advocate of circumcision and i could truly see her finagling circumcisions for such residents by sneaky means.

@roscoe Did he suffer from erectile dysfunction?

don't know

e.g. on a beach he could get sand under it that would be difficult to get rid of.)

Just reading that made mine go hide😈

I understand all the medical and financial arguments for it, but involuntarily circumcising a boy at 13 crosses a line for me.

Pre-puberty, pre-teens, then the parents are in charge, and if doctor strongly recommends it, then there's little argument.

Once a boy is into puberty, and most likely masturbating, then there has to be co-consent.

Phimosis, foreskin discomfort, adhesions, all good reasons for, but the teenage patient has to consent!

I would not agree with this opinion. A 13-year-old boy is still a child. Parents make decisions on his behalf if there is a medical reason, e.g. phimosis. They should convince the boy of the rightness of their decision. Nor should they put him in front of a fait accompli (I mean circumcision on the occasion of another operation).

phimosis resulted in hygiene issues ... on a beach he could get sand under it that would be difficult to get rid of

If he had a tight foreskin to begin with, how would sand have gotten under it?

Sounds like a nonsensical answer to an improbable and unlikely to occur problem.

@agracier Right, the sand situation did not occur often.

I don't recall ever getting anything under mine.

Today my answer is clear. It should be done as it is practice in Arabic States.

Around 50 % of our population suffer under high blood sugar, rising with age. This may caus phimosis at a stage, where an operation is more unpleasant and risky

No, I was very afraid of having penile surgery, so they didn't tell me anything. It was a very unpleasant surprise, for two or three days the wound really hurt a lot.

Was only the pain after surgery a problem for you?

How did you feel about your penis changing its appearance?

How did you feel about your mom putting you in front of a fait accompli?:

I woke up several years ago with severe phimosis that I didn’t know was a thing or what it was called until I got the hospital bill but I wish I had gotten circumcised at age 10 when my stepmother and my pediatrician wanted to because the erections at night were very painful during recovery not to mention how embarrassing the ER visit was and emergency surgery. I did not need general anesthesia but there were several injections that I could feel. I am more positive on circumcision now.

I had similar experience. I was referred to surgical consultation when I was around 4 for a sudden pain in my groin. The surgeon advised it was a hernia and testicle issue.

During the surgery planning time they agreed on doing circumcison as well along with it.

There are reasons explained in my medical record for hernia/testicle issues. But circumcison doesn't have any reason and was just added to list of operations.

My parents say doc recommended and they agree it is cleaner with no foul smell or chances of infections. They didn't bother to cut my younger brother as he didn't have to undergo any general anesthesia operations

@Nathan_S Out of curiosity, which country are you from? (In the US, "no foul smell or chances of infections" would be a commonly cited reason, but usually they cut the boys just after birth.)

@Pecan nutjob

India. I guess what they meant was smegma collection under foreskin.