Semen retention

I think much of that is being overplayed.

Any feeling of tiredness should be short lived after sex. A fit and active man should recover fairly quickly after sex. By that I'm not referring to the refractory period, which will vary according to the individual, but general physical tiredness. Perhaps you need to work on your general fitness if a physical tiredness is is a concern.

Personally I don't feel sleepy after sex. To me it makes absolutely no difference. My wife was actually quite surprised when she heard a few other women complaining that their male partners are out like a light immediately after sex.

Depressed? Is that how I'm supposed to feel after my wife and I have had a wonderful time? I can't say I've heard any other man complaining of how sex drepresses him for a while.For me it is actually over 30 seconds.

I learned very early on when I was a teenager, not to orgasm in the morning. Why? Because it did put a sort of damper on the rest of my day by my feeling less than optimum, a bit tired, depleted, empty, without purpose, a bit down. Depressed might be a bit too strong a word, but morning was not the time to orgasm - which is not the same as saying no sex - just no ejaculating. It had - and still has presumably (because I resolved never to orgasm in the mornings anymore a long time ago) - a bad effect on me. The brief pleasure of ejaculating is not worth the effect it has on the rest of my day.

Obviously each person reacts differently.

Yep! I LOVE sex - AND an orgasm - to start off the day!

I learned very early on when I was a teenager, not to orgasm in the morning. Why? Because it did put a sort of damper on the rest of my day by my feeling less than optimum, a bit tired, depleted, empty, without purpose, a bit down. Depressed might be a bit too strong a word, but morning was not the time to orgasm - which is not the same as saying no sex - just no ejaculating. It had - and still has presumably (because I resolved never to orgasm in the mornings anymore a long time ago) - a bad effect on me. The brief pleasure of ejaculating is not worth the effect it has on the rest of my day.

Obviously each person reacts differently.

My husband and I LOVE having sex in the morning with as many orgasms as we have time for, I mean for which we have time. 😁

We never felt orgasms early in the day put a damper on anything. They always made us feel great and gave us a wonderful feeling of closeness to start off the day. After a shower and getting dressed, we were ready to rule the world.

My husband and I LOVE having sex in the morning with as many orgasms as we have time for, I mean for which we have time. 😁

We never felt orgasms early in the day put a damper on anything. They always made us feel great and gave us a wonderful feeling of closeness to start off the day. After a shower and getting dressed, we were ready to rule the world.

I agree. It does depend on how much time is available to me, but sex on waking (which is during the morning only part of the time due to my working pattern) does help to wake me up fully. @Amethyst enjoys joining me in the shower, and the activities there aren't exactly limited to washing.

It seems for some, their response to orgasm is different. Perhaps it's why many associate sexual activity only with bedtime.

@Teddyball thank you for your description. But I’m just not sure I buy it all. First off, how do you know these bed chemicals are released only during ejaculation? Isn’t orgasm the trigger to produce them? The sperm and other ejaculatory fluids are being created during arousal. So how does keeping that already produced fluid inside, change any other chemical reactions or chemical releases? I know about edging and have done it sometimes for hours at a time. And sometimes after that when I do get to a sexual situation, my horniness and desire is still there, but my body does not fully respond. So for me, the edging really does not work well when I want to have sex with a partner.

As for the down and depressing feelings after orgasm, I definitely have a period of “well, that doesn’t seem too sexy anymore!” But after a few minutes of physical rest, I’m ready to continue playing and pleasing my partner, although there is a refractory period.

And an orgasm in the morning, via sex or masturbation, is a great way to start the day! It releases the tension and stress so the “business“ part of the day can start off with a nice clean slate, with full concentration on the task at hand.

And an orgasm in the morning, via sex or masturbation, is a great way to start the day! It releases the tension and stress so the “business“ part of the day can start off with a nice clean slate, with full concentration on the task at hand.

Doing that would be the best way for me to fall back into a deep sleep and then have a day in which I accomplish nothing ... 😃 Since I read so many people start off the day with an orgasm I wonder which is the more normal?

Doing that would be the best way for me to fall back into a deep sleep and then have a day in which I accomplish nothing ... 😃 Since I read so many people start off the day with an orgasm I wonder which is the more normal?

I feel sorry for you. When I was in school and had paper to write or studying to do, and when I have a lot to do at home, if I get tired I rub one out (or fuck my husband) and I'm rejuvenated and ready to blast through more work.

I feel sorry for you.

Good grief, whatever for? I have learned to know my body and how it reacts to things like this and knowing allows me to take advantage of it's weaknesses and strengths. I can zip through the day with an added vigor by not giving into the urge to orgasm in the mornings.

I could just as well say that I feel sorry for people who are slaves to their bodily functions like 'needing' an orgasm to start the day off well.

Thanks for the sympathy, if that's what you meant, and if it's not that, well thanks too, but no thanks.

Since I read so many people start off the day with an orgasm I wonder which is the more normal?

I really think this is simply a 'diff'rent strokes' matter, rather than a normal/abnormal matter.

I've read in the past that a man's testosterone level is highest in the morning, on waking. That possibly drives the sector that likes morning sex. Also, those who enjoy their wine and after-dinner drinks may prefer to just go to sleep when they hit the bed.

On the other side would be those who have tight morning schedules, and don't want to wake up any sooner than required. Sex at night would likely suit them better.

@intruder said

I've read in the past that a man's testosterone level is highest in the morning, on waking. That possibly drives the sector that likes morning sex. Also, those who enjoy their wine and after-dinner drinks may prefer to just go to sleep when they hit the bed.

On the other side would be those who have tight morning schedules, and don't want to wake up any sooner than required. Sex at night would likely suit them better.

It isn't a case of either-or. It doesn't have to be that your time to have sex might be on waking or at bedtime but not possibly both.

If I'm working during the day, or part of it, my wife and I can often have sex at least twice a day - before I go and at least once later after I have returned.

If I'm working at night, we are likely to have sex more than twice. Very likely three or four times.

If I'm not working at all in a 24 hour period, we will probably have sex more than four times.

I really think this is simply a 'diff'rent strokes' matter, rather than a normal/abnormal matter.

I suppose I should have said: which is the more prevalent, which occurs more when viewed on a statistical basis? That is what I meant in any case.

I seem to have fallen into one of the basic mistakes they teach you about in sociology 101: don't use a value judgment when talking about statistics ...

CJ1999--I know the "bad" chemicals are released when i ejaculate, and not when i got close to the point of return and back off, because I have experienced both (ejaculating and not) many, many times--and it is 100% true. Yes, sometimes when I am or was horny or had not cum in a while, i felt like more sex after one ejaculation, but now with semen retention I CLEARLY feel MUCH different--I am 67, and able to get erect for as long or often as i want--that was not true 4 years ago before I started semen retention. I have experienced a rue blissful state when masturbating or having sex for a long time, edging, getting close several times and backing off, and eventually reaching a high level or pleasure that feels like surfing on a high, on a full body orgasm--it actually feels better than ejaculating, which is over in ten seconds or so. It has also changed my whole focus in sex--the goal is not to ejaculate, but to feel pleasure (and give extended pleasure if I am having sex with my wife). I would never ever go back to the old way!

@Teddyball said

.... --I am 67, and able to get erect for as long or often as i want--that was not true 4 years ago before I started semen retention. I have experienced a rue blissful state when masturbating or having sex for a long time, edging, getting close several times and backing off, and eventually reaching a high level or pleasure that feels like surfing on a high, on a full body orgasm--it actually feels better than ejaculating, which is over in ten seconds or so. It has also changed my whole focus in sex--the goal is not to ejaculate, but to feel pleasure (and give extended pleasure if I am having sex with my wife). I would never ever go back to the old way!

There is some inconsistency in some of your statements ...

Two weeks ago in 3 posts, you said you were 68!

https://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;msg=884650

https://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;msg=884648

https://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;msg=884646

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Also you have previously said you do not have sex with your wife, but activity is limited to hand jobs.

https://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;msg=886424

.... I love watching hand jobs--probably because that is all my wife will do sexually for the last ten years or so. ....

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In your post you also said -

and able to get erect for as long or often as i want--that was not true 4 years ago before I started semen retention.

You forgot to say that your erections are weak but strengthened by chemical help, which you have previously stated -

https://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;msg=884648

I am 68. I had ED 7 years ago, and they discovered a pituitary brain tumor that lowered my testosterone and raised my prolactin. I now take testosterone therapy every day, and used to use Viagra but prefer Cialis. I take Cialis 5 mg daily (love those morning erections every day again!) and 20 mg if i am having sex--they make my erections harder, even though I can get a weaker erection without it.

So is your ability to have erections whenever you want and for as long as you want due to

a) semen retention, or

b) the testosterone therapy and taking Cialis?

I can accept that you follow alternative sexual practices if that's what works for you, but I'm wondering if we can trust what you say about it if your statements about your age, your medication, and what you tell of the state of your physical relationship with your wife are this inconsistent.

What are we supposed to think?

You forgot the *mic drop*.

OK, since I didn't see this on here...

Yes, there are chemicals released that cause the refractory period and in many/most males will cause a feeling of tiredness. These aren't bad, that's just their effect. There has been no evidence that I have seen linking the post-orgasm changes with anything bad.

In fact the studies link frequent orgasms in men with HEALTH. Yes, improved mood, improved immune system function, better sleep, fewer issues with the genitourinary system up to and including a reduction in prostate cancer.

DrZ--no inconsistency, just reality. I was 66 when I first joined here. I turned 67 (that would be one year from when I turned 66), and was 67 for most of my posts. I have a November birthday, and guess what, I turn 68...since that is very soon, I did say 68...now let me check your other points...I do not lie, only share experiences.

DrZ--your next point. When I said no sex with wife, I meant intercourse. Yes, every few weeks we manually stimulate each other. On rare occasions--I honestly do not remember when, it has been so long--we do have intercourse (37 years of marriage--yes, we did have intercourse). Let me check your next point...

Last point, DrZ--and, please think what you want. I am not here to gain your approval, only share my own personal and real experiences. Yes, I do testosterone therapy--I have a brain tumor, which lowers my testosterone (the tumor is in my pituitary and is still there) and raises my prolactin, neither of which is good. Yes, obviously, the testosterone treatment helps, and helps me get erections (I believe most doctors will tell you low testosterone alone is not a cause of ED, and higher testosterone is no guarantee of erections--that is what several doctors have told me). Yes, I also take 5 mg of Cialis daily--it was originally prescribed for my prostate, to keep if from swelling (that is the doctor's words, not mine). Does it help my erections? Of course it does. And yes, I practice and am learning semen retention and tantra. They have helped me a GREAT DEAL sexually--raised libido, much better erections, and have enabled me to keep erections far longer than I have done in probably 25 years. Again, believe what you want. I am not trying to talk anyone into doing anything, only sharing experiences, to make it possible for others to take what they want and try new things. I would never go back to my days before semen retention--there are many benefits that I have described on here, and they are all true of me. Let me add--I am a human being. Humans are complex. Causes of thins=gs are complex. When I have asked doctors (probably 5 or so) the cause of my erectile dysfunction, none have given me a straight, simple answer, usually, "it is the combination of many factors." So am I. Sorry if you choose to label me a person who lies. I do not. I am actually very honest on here, and only want to help others who might want to improve their lives or who suffer from some of the same things I do.

@Teddyball said

DrZ--no inconsistency, just reality. I was 66 when I first joined here. I turned 67 (that would be one year from when I turned 66), and was 67 for most of my posts. I have a November birthday, and guess what, I turn 68...since that is very soon, I did say 68...

If you are 67, then you are 67. You don't say you are 68 just because your next birthday will make you 68. It hasn't happened yet.

If in the posts I referenced, you had said you were 67, and in your later post you had said you were 68, I would have had no reason to doubt what you were saying. But when someone tells me they are now a year younger than they were two weeks ago, I question it. It makes me think they have forgotten what they previously told me.

One last point, DrZ--western medicine has its own explanations for things, and i have discovered profits sometimes drive doctors to encourage pills for symptoms rather than improving on underlying causes of things. I became vegan and lost a great deal of weight, improved my health enormously, have increased my exercise significantly, stopped many pills I took, and have learned a great deal that western doctors would never tell me. I am sure some of this has also improved my erections. It has also all drastically improved my quality of life. BUT--I am not trying to talk anyone into doing anything I have done--I did change my life after hearing some other very learned people describe some of the possible changes veganism and exercise could cause. Nobody talked me into anything, but I did learn by having a very open mind, considering new ideas, and trying new changes in my life.

@Teddyball said

When I said no sex with wife, I meant intercourse. Yes, every few weeks we manually stimulate each other.

When someone says they have sex with their wife, it is understood that intercourse is what they mean. It is best to make clear statements otherwise you can look like you are contradicting yourself.

Last point, DrZ--and, please think what you want. I am not here to gain your approval, only share my own personal and real experiences. Yes, I do testosterone therapy--I have a brain tumor, which lowers my testosterone (the tumor is in my pituitary and is still there) and raises my prolactin, neither of which is good. Yes, obviously, the testosterone treatment helps, and helps me get erections (I believe most doctors will tell you low testosterone alone is not a cause of ED, and higher testosterone is no guarantee of erections--that is what several doctors have told me). Yes, I also take 5 mg of Cialis daily--it was originally prescribed for my prostate, to keep if from swelling (that is the doctor's words, not mine). Does it help my erections? Of course it does. And yes, I practice and am learning semen retention and tantra. They have helped me a GREAT DEAL sexually--raised libido, much better erections, and have enabled me to keep erections far longer than I have done in probably 25 years.

That's all fine, and I hope the treatment for your tumour is effective. It's unfortunate that you have that problem.

All I'm asking here is that when you start advocating alternative sexual practices, that you don't make it appear that your erections are the result only of your semen retention, but that you also disclose any other relevant facts. Your medication must have an influence on your health and performance, so it is misleading to not mention it, as the reader might not have seen your other posts and be unaware of your health issues.

I have lately been enjoying orgasms without ejaculating. I find that if I stop just in time, I get a small orgasm (my cock is throbbing) that is somewhat rewarding and enjoyable without the mess. I've been doing this because of time constraints as I do not like the mess when I have to get dressed for work right away.

When I was sixteen 22 minutes would have been a record.

My husband and I have ALWAYS practiced semen retention

IN MY VAGINA 😁 😁 😁

The original poster said

. . . . . let me answer your questions on tantra orgasms and semen retention. First, when most males ejaculate, both good and bad chemicals are released. The bad ones make the guy tired, have a refractory (recovery) period, feel a bit depressed, feel depleted, have no interest in sex for a while.

Yes, when men ejaculate chemicals are released. The ones you call "bad" are not bad at all. The ones that make men tired or have decreased interest in sex for a while have a purpose that evolution has proven to be important. They slow the man down, making him stay with his woman after sex rather than leaving her. This has been important in nurturing his woman, giving her reason to stay with him which has been important in keeping both the mother and father together to raise the children. Raising human offspring is a difficult proposition and in the absence of technology, two parents are definitely needed to raise a family.

I've seen too many decent studies showing a correlation between frequent ejaculation and male reproductive tract health to want to do too much of this.

Sex is messy.

GOOD SEX IS VERY MESSY!

There is a saying that I've always ascribed to;

The best things in life are:

FREE

SLOPPY

and SLOOOOOW in Coming (Or CUMMING if you are so inclined).

@moliere said

I've seen to many decent studies showing a correlation between frequent ejaculation and male reproductive tract health to want to do too much of this.

My wife describes it as exercise, just like any other. 😁

My wife describes it as exercise, just like any other. 😁

Well it is exercising all your most important parts getting your semen out and my vagina wants exercise too. 😃 😜