Virginity Checks

Virginity checks are obscene and dehumanizing and should never ever be foisted upon any woman coming of age. I also absolutely loathe those who insist on 'Purity Vows' and such utter rot and nonsense and the bloody and sodding 'Purity Balls' that young women are subjected to. It is obscene and in no small way something of pedophilia in my view and it makes me want to scream.

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Who in the bloody hell thinks that this is in any way shape or form normal and wholesome? A woman's body should not be the 'jurisdiction' or subject to inspection by a man whomsoever that might be, to ensure that she is pure and chaste. A woman's body is hers alone and there should be no laws or religious edicts that she should have to subject herself to. That lot can just sod off! That picture above makes my stomach churn and I've not seen much any more depraved than that.

As to any war that is to be fought it should be those sodding bastards well into their 60's and 70's and 80's and whose fortunes are made in the war industry who take up arms and 'die for god and country'. And not for the young with so much life yet to live to give their youth to religious zealots and greedy corporations or people not worthy lick their boots.

I had a friend who was getting ready to get married. His Mom asked the GF and soon to be wife if she was a virgin. It caused some tension and arguments in the family!!

@Ms_Lila that picture is creepy as fuck.

@Dahiana @Ms_Lila You two are right. & I thought I'd dealt with some sick fucked up people - just goes to show there's always another bunch of sickos out there!

Losing your virginity is not a disease. This cannot be considered a reason for a medical examination.

@Ms_Lila that picture is creepy as fuck.

Since @Ms_Lila has not responded in writing I will defend her picture by stating it looks like WWII Bomber nose art.

It is a rather cool art form.

It is not creepy it is both iconic and symbolic.

If you happen to be reading this MS Lila I am behind you in your views on purity checks and the other disgusting things.

A woman's body is her own to do with as she pleases.

Losing your virginity is not a disease. This cannot be considered a reason for a medical examination.

It some cultures, it still is considered a legitimate concern. And this was so even in Europe not all that long ago.

For instance, I was really surprised when once reading an in-dept, serious bio of Eva Braun, that she was sent to a Catholic boarding school in Germany in her teens and that upon graduation, she not only received her degree, but also an affirmation that upon graduation she had been found to be a virgin. This was to show that the nuns/institution in whose care she had been placed, had carefully taken care of her and protected her from the onerous temptations of the world.

And remember, she was nothing special at the time of her graduation shortly after WWI. And that obviously all the other good bourgeois German Maedel in the institution were no doubt similarly examined. Just one of those things that was seldom talked about, but still performed in certain circumstances and in certain social groups, about a century ago. Which, historically is not that long ago.

Remember back then was also a time when STD's (especially syphilis) were a very serious concern regarding not only health, but also re. potential offspring. Being a virgin was supposed (I did say supposed ... ) to guarantee that a future bride be disease free and hence be able to produce healthy heirs.

That was how the thinking went back then.

There is even a corollary to such thinking in many parts of present-day Africa. Virgins are desired and esteemed as sexual partners because they (once again) are supposedly not able to be infected with HIV.

Since @Ms_Lila has not responded in writing I will defend her picture by stating it looks like WWII Bomber nose art.

It is a rather cool art form.

It is not creepy it is both iconic and symbolic.

If you happen to be reading this MS Lila I am behind you in your views on purity checks and the other disgusting things.

A woman's body is her own to do with as she pleases.

I think the picture she referenced was the link in @Ms_lila’s post not her avatar.

Since @Ms_Lila has not responded in writing I will defend her picture by stating it looks like ...

A woman's body is her own to do with as she pleases.

@Bad_Princess I'm not sure what you were referring to but @Nurse_Phillips is right about the link being the picture.

I thought what @Bad_Princess meant is it’s ok for women to chose to save their virginity for marriage (or not). My take on the Purity Balls is that they’re for the dads. It’s fine if a girl decides to be celibate for whatever reason SHE choses and you don’t need to assert it at an event like that. I’d bet a lot of them are coerced into it and it’s their dads/families decision. Couple of the girls in that picture don’t look too happy. Seems like a Catholic scheme to put guilt and shame on a young girl

@Bad_Princess forgive me for my interpretation if that’s off track.

@Ms_Lila @Nurse_Phillips @Dahiana @Rigel

I think the picture she referenced was the link in @Ms_lila's post, not her avatar.

I was referring to Ms Lila's Avatar in my post. I think it is great. I could not think why anyone would consider it creepy.

My Mouse has a click wheel and I have a small laptop screen. It passed by the link to the picture entirely. So that was a big omission of information.

I went back to the post by @Ms_Lila and looked for the link. I found it. Purity Balls. It is a creepy picture alright.

Fathers come within a hair's breadth of marrying their daughters to protect them from outside temptation and keep them pure, innocent little girls.

I have seen this Purity Culture and Purity Ball business in a movie. I was so disgusted I switched it off.

It is a Christian religious cult and that's what they get up to. To them, it is all just perfectly fine. It is their lifestyle.

Not something I would take part in.

In the movie, I watched they were visiting High Schools and recruiting young people. That I think should not be allowed.

As long as there is freedom of Religion they are not going anywhere.

that she was sent to a Catholic boarding school in Germany in her teens and that upon graduation, she not only received her degree, but also an affirmation that upon graduation she had been found to be a virgin. This was to show that the nuns/institution in whose care she had been placed, had carefully taken care of her and protected her from the onerous temptations of the world.

That was also probably a way of ensuring that the priests didn't take advantage of the girls there, and swear them to secrecy.

In Norway children and teen are often subjected to a procedure to assess weather he/she is subjected to child abuse, do things together with other kids or with him/herself not approved by the society or have interests not regarded as age-appropriate or socially appropriate.

What is done is a general physical exam, a more specific exam of the genitals and anal region and a forensic interrogation. The intimate exam is in fact a virginity check plus a lot more than just that.

One also take specimens form all body areas, and every part of the young person is photographed, and the pictures are stored for future use.

Any kind of unusual behavior, unusual meanings, or unusual interests can lead to such a procedure.

The procedure is typically done in special clinics called "Statens Barnehus", which literally means "The child houses of the state" which is run as a cooperation between the police, the health service and the child protective agencies.

These procedures and establishments are not even held secret. In fact the state are advertising it to the public as if to make young people and parents used to and accept that the state shall see and know everything about the kid and the family.

But in addition to the admitted and even advertised procedures, I am sure young people are also used as research objects and subjected to more extended procedures not told about, and hided by use of anesthesia, either inside these "child houses" or at cooperating clinics.

That exam sounds like abuse itself!

That was also probably a way of ensuring that the priests didn't take advantage of the girls there, and swear them to secrecy.

In the period I was describing, the fact that girls were in a boarding school, meant that they were kept in school, during mass, going to confession, on a rare outing, with some kind of chaperone present. There would have been one or more nuns/teachers or whatever present so that situations could not arise where no doubt could be cast on the students not having been properly supervised.

If you want to cast aspersions on priests, then look to their housekeepers or perhaps altar boys. They would have posed easier opportunities and if found out, caused less controversy, than tupping girls from bourgeois families, some with presumably wealth and high standing in society.

In Norway children and teen are often subjected to a procedure to assess weather he/she is subjected to child abuse, do things together with other kids or with him/herself not approved by the society or have interests not regarded as age-appropriate or socially appropriate.

I don't like saying it but this system may have saved me a lot of grief.

If you want to cast aspersions on priests, then look to their housekeepers or perhaps altar boys.

We could certainly do that. Bet we could uncover a lot of things most people would not expect too.

My virginity was checked by my pediatricisn in the end of each exams. He had opened my inner lips to acess my vagina and had used a penlight to inspect the vaginal opening and then showed my hymem to mon, ir was painful and the worst part of my exams. The penlight had a warm lamp, I felt my vagina introitus hurting a lot when I was opened and I fell violated by the doctor and betrayed by my mother.

@annecobain

My virginity was checked by my pediatricisn I fell violated by the doctor and betrayed by my mother.

I gave you a like. Because your experiences were so terrible. I wanted to make that clear.

@annecobain I gave you a like. Because your experiences were so terrible. I wanted to make that clear.

Unlike FB, there are no other options when giving a like. It is always best to assume the like is given in a positive manner, as for instance in expressing sympathy for a horrid experience.

It is terribly sexist as no one is in the least bit bothered whether a man is a virgin or not. A real double standard there and nobody elses business really.

It does make you wonder about the so called jihadi brides who defected to ISIS, whether they were checked and whether this put them in any potential danger especially as there is no scientific rationale behind it.

As a guy I feel like this is wrong to subject a woman to this. It's such a violation. It's crazy to me that doctors would do this to a young woman at the request of a parent or even the doctor just doing it.

It is terribly sexist as no one is in the least bit bothered whether a man is a virgin or not. A real double standard there

The main trouble is that there is no way of establishing a male's virginity. No one has yet found a way to determine, to a reasonable degree, if a guy has stuck his prick in a female's vagina (pardon the vulgarity).

Once someone discovers a method for that, who knows, customs, mores and expectation may very well change.

Female virginity tests are unreliable according to the WHO. They don’t definitely prove virginity or non virginity although many cultures rely on them

An intact hymen doesn’t prove virginity. Nor does a torn hymen prove non virginity testing women for this is unnecessary and unreliable

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@djboy What cultural background was this man?

@Jacana They are white americans.

@djboy Some particularly sex-obsessive religious / social class?

I read somewhere that Lady Di had to undergo a gynecological examination to prove she was a virgin to be allowed to marry Prince Charles…

@djboy Some particularly sex-obsessive religious / social class?

There was a movement in the US that made news for a while it was so creepy whereby fathers would symbolically wed daughters to be able to guard over their virginity. The exact name of this whacky social phenomenon escapes me at the moment, but it was a great example of being sex-obsessive religious.

I read somewhere that Lady Di had to undergo a gynecological examination to prove she was a virgin to be allowed to marry Prince Charles…

When it comes to British royalty, such a requirement is probably a holdover from medieval laws and customs. These kind of exams had to do with providing legitimate heirs to the throne so that royal lineage can be (more or less) properly assured.

It is claimed that Lady Di had to have a gynaecology examination in order to confirm that she could have children as Charles would eventually become King and their first born son would become second in line to the thrown.