Nonconsensual nudity...Why is the fantasy sometimes arousing, though we'd never want a real human be

The rest of the thread title was supposed to say "...a real human being treated that way."

Another forum member PM'd me about a post I'd written in another thread, about being turned on at age 13 by an R-rated comic I read, in which a beautiful young lady was nonconsensually stripped naked outdoors and tied to a post by three men, and left there (though not raped.)

I did find it very erotic at that young age, though it partially horrified me, too. A few years later, when I saw my first X-rated movie, "Emanuelle in Bangkok," I was even more horrified by a scene in which the heroine (played by the lovely Laura Gemser) was caught alone and surrounded by fleabag guys who stripped her and then gang-raped her. I was holding my breath in the first part of this scene, hoping she could get away before they could even so much as see her breasts or pussy, much less force themselves on her. No such luck. I was revolted, and left the theater at that point, felt horrified all the way home. It was just too real...much more so than a comics character being stripped.

But why had I found that comic arousing at all?

Just to be clear...I have never removed clothing from anyone against their will, and I don't want to.

It seems like some fantasies involve enjoying something that we'd never really want to see or do in real life. Similarly, my wife loves murder mysteries, but she'd be absolutely horrified (to say the least) to witness a real murder.

And I myself have a recurring fantasy about being stripped naked and put on display by a group of women, or a mixed audience of men and women...something about the vulnerability in being forcibly stripped (at least in fantasy) feels very arousing. But I'm pretty sure that if this actually happened, I'd be disgusted as well as outraged, and a few accounts I've read by guys who actually had this happen to them, bear that out.

Does it feel OK as long as it's obviously not real? And is Stephen King right...that it's feeding the alligators in the basements of our minds without letting them out?

Interested to hear others' thoughts.

I did find it very erotic at that young age, though it partially horrified me, too. A few years later, when I saw my first X-rated movie, "Emanuelle in Bangkok," I was even more horrified by a scene in which the heroine (played by the lovely Laura Gemser) was caught alone and surrounded by fleabag guys who stripped her and then gang-raped her.

The Emmanuelle movies X-rated? There was nothing much specially erotic about that series. Very very soft porn stuff, something you'd take a date to on a third date for instance ... hint, hint ... ha ha. I found them to be much like the movies David Hamilton used to make. Soft lighting and nude ladies and all. These were the kind of movies that were shown in the regular theaters back then. We had specially known cinemas for the real X-rated material.

I always thought that no one could ever play Emmanuelle except Sylvie Kristel. She was the personification.

It's a really interesting question.

Perhaps our forbidden fantasies are arousing for that very reason: Deep down we know that they're forbidden. And thinking about things that are forbidden is exciting.

In my case, there are a lot of things swirling around in my mind that repeatedly surface in my fantasies. Most of them are probably fairly mild compared to a lot of the things that I read here on zity. But for me, many of them are forbidden. They're things that arouse me, but that I don't think I would ever have the courage to actually do in real life.

There's a movement (or style) in the BDSM world called 'consensual non-consent.' It involves things like rape play or abduction play. The bottom has consented to the activity but is free to struggle and fight. It could include the OP's scene of being forcibly stripped and displayed by the group. It takes a large amount of trust.

I have posted about consensual non-consent scenes in the past. They don't always turn out like you think.

Here is the link:

http://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;msg=517938

Yup, you can't always get what you want...

I know one woman that broke her shoulder at a kink event by fighting an abduction scene.

IMO, there is nothing wrong with fantasies of ANY kind, as long as you can keep them separate from reality.

Consider also that you have dreams at night that often have NO bearing on reality, and also no relation to any conscious memories you have. You can't control them, but they also end when you wake up.

Enjoy your fantasies in your own mind, and separately enjoy the realities of life.

IMO, there is nothing wrong with fantasies of ANY kind, as long as you can keep them separate from reality.

Consider also that you have dreams at night that often have NO bearing on reality, and also no relation to any conscious memories you have. You can't control them, but they also end when you wake up.

Enjoy your fantasies in your own mind, and separately enjoy the realities of life.

It's extremely liberating for many of us to actually live our fantasies.

It's extremely liberating for many of us to actually live our fantasies.

+1000 !

Be very careful with consensual non-consensual scenes.

The fantasy is usually much better than the reality.

A consensual non-consensuality scene where you tell someone you are tying them to the bed for an undisclosed number of hours and then don't let them go for 24 so they urinate, defecate and do other undesirable things in bed, screaming at the top of their lungs to be released may not have as dangerous an outcome as a kidnapping, but they still might not ever want to see you again.

An abduction where the abductee does not know who the kidnapper is can be disastrous.

Consider also that you have dreams at night that often have NO bearing on reality, and also no relation to any conscious memories you have. You can't control them,

That isn't true. Many dreams are based on real experiences during waking hours.

Some people CAN control their dreams. I'm not one of them, but some can use techniques to use their conscious thoughts to have certain dreams at night.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-control-dreams/

Thank you for your thought-provoking responses. I also always believed that fantasies are generally OK, as long as the fantasizer wouldn't actually do something to someone against their will, in real life. I think for most of us, there's a big difference between how something feels in fantasy, and how it would feel in real life, and we know it: hence, for example, my horror at seeing a "real" woman (more specifically, a woman in a scene that was too realistic) onscreen being stripped and raped.

But it also made me wonder how women feel when they consider that a lot of men like to fantasize about nonconsensual sex. Does it make them uncomfortable or afraid, in the same way I would be uncomfortable if I found out that a co-worker had graphic fantasies about killing people?

Interestingly enough, I read that porn based on non-consensual sex is more popular in Japan than in the U.S., but there are fewer actual reported sexual assaults in Japan than in the U.S. Lots of possible explanations...it may be that women in Japan are less likely to report an assault, out of fear of the social repercussions, etc. But another possibility is that men enjoy seeing actresses stripped, tied up, etc., and feel no need or desire actually to do that to someone. The research literature is equivocal on whether that kind of "catharsis through fantasy, or media" actually works.

BTW, the Emanuelle movies were rated X in my community. When I saw (part of) that one, I was a little surprised that there were no direct views of penetrations (even in the early scenes of consensual sex), but I figured that was due to local censors.

Laura Gemser was the "black Emanuelle," and though I hadn't seen the original Kristel film at the time, I thought Gemser was lovely.

BTW, the Emanuelle movies were rated X in my community. When I saw (part of) that one, I was a little surprised that there were no direct views of penetrations (even in the early scenes of consensual sex), but I figured that was due to local censors.

As far as I know, the Emmanuelle films never showed any penetrations, erections or ladies with spread open genitals (or maybe not even opened legs). They were all rather discrete and I suppose you could say tasteful. I doubt there was much specific for censors to cut, unless it was for a very prudish audience.

The best comparison might be to '50 Shades of Grey'. Both movies big hits, huge hype resulting in great publicity with lots of people thinking they are going to see more than they really will.

I feel I have to echo others opinion here that it's advisable to tread very carefully. I would not say I'm an expert on this but have dipped my toe in so to speak and certainly mixed reviews. Most interestingly for me actually was my partner actually didn't enjoy it so much as we thought and found it hard to treat me in such away. Whilst he is very happy in bdsm actually he is careful to respond to my reactions so constant protest and crying he said found it hard not to break character.

And be prepared for things like Sue said; being cuffed to radiator for long period of time and left alone nature will inevitably come calling.

Some people CAN control their dreams.

This hasn't happened in quite a while, but there have been several dreams where i am in a bad situation, & something in the dream triggers me that it's a dream where i can physically fly away. So I get myself in flight mode and fly away to get myself out of the scene. I seem to wake up right after that. But it's cool how I can take that sort of control in a dream.

Now as far as the topic of the thread, the fantasy of non consensual nudity can be arousing, due to elements of anatomy revelation, power & control in the direction of desire, & perhaps a whole host of other stuff.

Though yet our genuine regards & respect for human beings would find the violence and violation aspects of the non consent to be very upsetting.

It's extremely liberating for many of us to actually live our fantasies.

And be prepared for things like Sue said; being cuffed to radiator for long period of time...

While some of us reach a point where our fantasies seem attainable if we network and each out to the right folks (Aren't these online websites great?), the important thing to keep in mind is that we have full control of what goes on in our fantasies. The moment you involve someone else, that is highly subject to change.

And I myself have a recurring fantasy about being stripped naked and put on display by a group

I've had similar fantasies that go a step further, where I'm handcuffed and with my hands locked behind me, it's an invite to be touched sexually. I enjoy handcuffing myself, but I control the duration that I'm handcuffed, and free myself when i want to. If i were to try to play this fantasy out and be handcuffed without access to the key, once I reach the point of being uncomfortable, I no longer have control over being able to fix that. And these are the kinds of things you have to think about when considering bring your fantasies to reality.

So that's where you have to be careful.

I have a recurring fantasy of being part of a fully clothed, mixed audience of hundreds watching an erotic show. I and every other audience member has consented to enter a lottery that subjects him or her to being called up on stage as one of the 30 or so participants in the 10 or so erotic scenes described in detail in the program for the show. Some who are called up remain clothed, but many are required to change into very revealing or erotic costumes, or to completely disrobe, or be disrobed by other participants.

You might call this semi-consensual nudity. There are no ethical issues here since everyone is a willing potential participant and knows in advance exactly what they might be getting themselves into. This fantasy has endless variations for me that I all find extremely arousing, either as a pure spectator, or imagining myself as a participant--either one who remains fully clothed, or one who one who does not. The erotic show can be limited to nudity, or it can involve any of the kinks we enjoy on this site.

Regarding Emmanuelle: in the 1970s there were "erotic" movies, which we would call now "soft porn", often with a corny backstory. Even more hardcore porn, with actual penetration, often had a backstory and was more about scenes than close-up shots, as far as I've seen.

I'm unsure when the more or less complete removal of the corny backstory came, as well as the focus on close-up views. Perhaps with the Internet.

This being the Bondage Domination Sadism and Masochism section of the forum I would expect dominants to enjoy forcing someone to get naked, as an act of dominance. On the other side, I as a sub enjoy the same fantasies, identifying with the 'victim.' The library is replete with medical stories of forced examinations & procedure performed on clueless, embarrassed and humiliated patients. In actuality the stories are only a few degrees off of reality. Doctors are occasionally prosecuted for abuse doing gyn examinations. Hospital patients actually suffer humiliation, embarrassment, pain, bondage (restraints) during a hospital stay. A nursing text outlined the process. Upon entering the hospital, at the admitting office he is stripped of his secrets, SSN, personal data, financial data (insurance, credit card); stripped of his valuables when asked to deposit watch, wedding band, large amounts of cash, wallet; stripped of his identity, replaced with "H345-678, the gall-bladder"; stripped of control: a man used to control of the his office and company, now has women telling when to go to the bathroom. Finally he's stripped of his clothing, lucky to have a flimsy hospital gown covering his naked body. I love these fantasies. I've had way more than my share of real medical care, hospitalizations and surgery, and I still enjoy the fantasies.

Another real life situation of non-consensual nudity is a strip search. Body searches are often done by police and customs agents. Women guards really do search male prisoners, supervise the showers. I enjoy visual and written real and fantasy depictions of the events, identifying with the naked male, but I certainly wouldn't want this fantasy to come true!!

I love the thought of being humiliated but the biggest comfort of zity is the anonimity it provides

So true-Zity is a wonderful place to admit your humiliation and be anonymous. Sometimes the thought of not being anonymous is also erotic. Perhaps more of us on Zity should see each other nude. Wouldn't it be great to have Zity video room where everyone is nude.Of course that would not be nonconsensual. Oh well, back to the drawing board. 😃

To a person who enjoys being nude the term nonconsensual almost doesn't exist.

Wouldn't it be great to have Zity video room where everyone is nude.

Mark my words: That will never happen. Your best bet is to get to know people, get comfortable with them, then move to another video-compatible platform.

Oooooo, I wish this would happen to me.

I'm not sure if I fully understand what is being asked here but...starting when I was 11 my stepdad would spank me on my bare bottom. I would call it nonconcensual nudity as he would undo my pants and pull them down and then pull my panties down so that I was fully exposed before taking me over his lap, or he would have me bent over a chair or table and again undo my pants and panties and pull them down (or in the caes of a dress pull it up and y panties down) and then spank me.

Recently after moving out of thier house I had done something stupid where I met someone and allowed them to handcuff me on a bed. I was facedown and at first it was exciting and enjoyable but then they started to cross the line and did things to me that I did not want to happen.