Colon Tubes and Toys Training

I have been playing with colon tubes for years. I have read 90% of posts on this site on the subject over the same time period. But my success with inserting colon tubes to any depth has been rare for me in spite of trying ALL the "tricks" chronicled here. 40% of the time I am not successful in advancing the tube out of the rectum. Sometimes I get stopped before getting totally beyond the Sigmoid. Then, If I pass those two obstacles, rarely do I get around the Splenic Flexure. I have spent a lot of money on colon tubes of different diameters and different firmness. The result is always the same. I have only got past the Hepatic Flexure once, years ago, and I can count on one hand the times I have just got to the Hepatic Flexure. Because of my lack of success, I don't use my colon tubes often anymore. But every once in a while, I will try again because those rare successes were so satisfying.

Not trained in anatomy, I have come to the conclusion I just don't get it and need training. Can't somebody do a good training video to SHOW folks how to master navigation of the colon with tubes or toys. Where to feel for the progress of the tube and how to steer it into the right place? A video could easily be done protecting the identity of the subject and perhaps even the presenter. Medical videos are done all the time that protect participant identity. (BTW, I know OHN has a colon tube training video but it is seriously rudimentary.) I would even consider paying for a good video if I had some assurance it would be effective.

Videos would be exceptionally helpful for those of us without a participating partner to help with the process. The only other alternative I can think of is to spend the time and major bucks to find and engage a practicing, competent enema nurse to train me on self administration.

Practical advise and comments appreciated.

You might have a tortuous colon and you might not ever get far in with a colon tube.

Try this technique here:

http://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;msg=287669

If you are overdue for a colonoscopy, DON'T have any sedatives or pain meds and watch the procedure on the monitor. You may or may not tolerate the procedure that way at all, so don't expect to be able to insert a colon tube if you can't do a med-free colonoscopy. Also keep in mind, the physician can SEE where he is going and YOU CANNOT, which makes it much easier for you to perforate your colon, which will result in diagnostic CT scans, a week long hospital stay, a large abdominal incision and an abdominal laparoscopy to make sure you are all clean inside and free of feces in the peritoneal cavity when they sew you back up. Oh, and lets not forget the colostomy bag you will go home with and will wear for anywhere from 6 months (IF they can reverse your colostomy) to maybe FOREVER, not to mention other ramifications and complications of large incisions in abdominal surgery. You will need an understanding physician. I wouldn't say you don't want meds so you can learn how to insert it but it will give you an idea of how complex the turns of the colon can be.

You have now been informed and warned and that is why the colon tube video from OHN is so rudimentary. They really do not want you doing it, but they love making money selling the colon tubes.

I have read/studied all your posts on the subject, SwS. I have considered that I might have a tortuous colon but after multiple colonoscopies, all executed smoothly, wouldn't somebody have commented if I did? BTW, I asked for a sedative-free procedure last year when I had a colonoscopy and my provider said it was strictly against their policy and they wouldn't do it. The very first colonoscopy I had 25+ years ago was done in a physicians office without any sedation. It was majorly painful but all of the pain was in my testicles which felt like they were going to explode with every push of the scope. Figured that was because of pressure on my prostate.

Your prostate has NOTHING to do with any sensations of a colonoscopy.

Seriously, you guys attach WAY too much importance to your prostates with enemas and tubes.

Just be careful.

I think Susie has provided a very sobering perspective of deep colon penetration with colon tubes. I have several and on some occasions have been able to get one up to the bottom of my ribcage. I was amazed that I made it that far. But the majority of the time, I am lucky to get up through my sigmoid bend. When I do, I can usually see the bulge under my skin just a few inches away from my left hip bone. That said most of my colon tube penetrations are in my rectum or just past and then I hit a stopping point and start feeling a poking feeling which lets me know I am not going any further on that session.

It is fun to do deep penetration and when the stars line up and you get that wonderful feeling of sliding the tube up your colon it makes for a great session. BUT this doesn't have to happen for me to have a great erotic enema session. I consider it a bonus when it does happen. So even though you want to have success with deep penetration more frequently I think you need to reset your expectations. Focus on what you can do safely and enjoy what that gives you.

I used to have the same troubles. Here is what I did.

First of all, be sure to use plenty of lubrication before you put anything in and you may want to put more lube on things after they have gone in a ways.

I do 4 qt enemas and use a nozzle of some kind to put about 1-1/2 qt into my rectum. That inflates and straightens out my lower colon so that the tube can get through.

I put the tube into the inflated colon and if i run into a barrier, I either put in some more water, or I move it in and out a couple of inches and maybe it will find its way around the barrier. I have tried rotating it as I put it in, but have not found that to be successful.

I modified the colon tube by doing two things: I made a tip of a dildo shape that was larger than the tube so that (1) it will not come out on its own, and (2) it is less likely to penetrate your colon than a small, sharply shaped tube. I also decided that the tube was too flexible and ended up, after experimenting a bit, putting 6 lengths of weedwhacker string of perhaps 0.090" (I am not sure of that number) to stiffen it up. As a result, I do not have troubles with it doubling back on itself or tieing itself in knots and that sort of thing. The string does not block the flow of water at the rate I have it running through the tube.

Try these things. They work for me.

Write me a pm if you want more info or help.

Incidentally, I had my doctor do my last colonoscopy without sedatives so that I could watch and see what went on. If your doctor says he will not do it, get another. There are lots of them out there and you should be able to find one that will grant you your wish. Just start asking questions.

hankb

I have found that using lots of lube helps. I put a t adapter right where the colon tube connects to the hose from the bag. On the T I connect a bulb syringe full of lube so when the colon tube needs some extra lube I just give it a squeeze. It all so works some what like a higginson pump.

I recently had a colonoscopy; the gastroenterologist reported that my "colon goes from here (Nashville) to Los Angeles." This most probably explains my difficulty in advancing a colon tube. It is very frustrating as well as a waste of money on same.

Just one person's report.

For SUSIE

The colon tract is highly linked to the prostate if the sigmoid is tangled and reaches the prostate lobes or seminal vesicles

In some people the insertion of a 36-inch tube tube approximately 15-18 inches produces maximum excitation by touching the prostate (the posterior lobe)

For SUSIE

The colon tract is highly linked to the prostate if the sigmoid is tangled and reaches the prostate lobes or seminal vesicles

In some people the insertion of a 36-inch tube tube approximately 15-18 inches produces maximum excitation by touching the prostate (the posterior lobe)

Go ahead, live in your fantasy.

At a depth of 15-18 inches the tube is way past any part of the prostate.

For SUSIE

The colon tract is highly linked to the prostate if the sigmoid is tangled and reaches the prostate lobes or seminal vesicles

Huh? The prostate is JUST inside the rectum, and can easily be reached with a finger. If you are 18" up there, I'd say you missed it.

On rare occasions when I have the house to myself and I am doing a long drawn out enema session that leaves my colon pretty much clear, I will try some deep penetration with my Silicon Nozzle colon tube. I actually don't use it for enemas even though it does have a bore through hole. I use it as a colon snake. I have gotten up to the bottom of my rib cage on a couple of occasions. The sensations it produces are a feeling of pressure as I push it up into the descending colon. I can see the bulge under my skin and can direct it by gently pushing on bulge as it moves further up my colon.

So do I feel any of this in my prostate? The simple answer for me is not really. My prostate really doesn't get much stimulation as the tube slides past it.

The size of the tube is large enough to feel it snaking through my rectum and into the sigmoid bend and finally the descending colon. This is a unique feeling and the first time I achieved this deep penetration it just kind of felt weird not necessarily erotic. But I have grown to like it and will continue to do it from time to time.

As far wanting to stimulate my prostate, I have to use my prostate vibrator which I can definitely feel.

I came across an article the other day that stated there was pleasure found at approximately 9" and 15" into the colon. Being a curious sort and always looking for new ways to orgasm, I went to the discovery channel with a well lubed silicone CT. I got to approximately 9" and found one of my pleasure buttons. I massaged it gently with the CT and had a wonderful hands free ejaculation. I have been studying male and female anatomy to learn where all our buttons are located. I've yet to find a suitable chart that truly shows what would be manipulated at the 9" position to cause such pleasure. It definitely is, for my body, located just after insertion into the sigmoid colon. The charts that I've found indicate it is beyond the Prostate, but I do not have a chart showing a more detailed view. Does anyone know what organ is being stimulated at that position?

I have not got to the 15" position yet. Does anyone know what organ would be stimulated, and if orgasms are possible.

Along with this same discussion, does anyone know if females have pleasure points in their colons, as males do, and at what position? Orgasms could possibly come from CT manipulations, with or without enemas.

Old School. Can't help you much, but it sure will be fun finding them. Keep us updated.

Buttwoman. I'm on my next big journey....to discover all I can about orgasms and especially multiple orgasms. I'll definitely keep everyone turned on to the discovery channel, and other points of interest along the way. BTW, I've just recently discovered hands free multiple orgasms myself.

I have been using colon tubes for enemas for quite a few years. SwSusie's advice is spot on. Pay attention to it. I have 3 colon tubes, all 30". Two are 36 Fr and one is 42 Fr. Two are rubber and one silicone which is 36 Fr. I've had the most consistent success with this one. Here's what I've learned over the years that works for me:

1. Take at least one 2-3 quart regular enema first and make sure you have fully expelled it.

2. Use LOTS of lube. I will lube by anus with vaseline and get some as far inside as I can. I have a lube shooter which I'll fill with KY and insert into my rectum and discharge it as I pull it out so there's plenty of lube throughout including on my anal opening so the colon tube picks up the lube ss it passes through my anus.

3. BE PATIENT. This is an absolute. You force a colon tube or you quite probably will end with the the serious and quite possibly life threatening complications Susie describes.

4. I insert the colon tube maybe 6-8 inches into my rectum until I feel resistance. I'll start the water at that point and wait until my rectum fills before attempting to gently insert it further. If it wont go, dont force it. Turn it or make it go in and just a bit. As the water fills your sigmoid, it should be possible to insert the tube further.

5. I've found that getting the tube through your sigmoid and into the descending colon is difficult but if you are PATIENT and go slowly, most of the time you can do it. You'll know you've gotten around the first bend because all of s sudden there is no resistance and you can fairly quickly insert a 30" tube almost the whole length.

6. A 30" colon tube, I think, will go to the bend that separates the descending and transverse sections of the colon. Once i feel resistance again, I stop. I have never attempted to go beyond that point and never will.

7. The point about having a colonoscopy done with sedation is important. I have done that because I really did want to see what my colon looked like snd because I wanted to feel what the procedure was like as well. I accomplished both. I will say that doing this without sedation is not for the feint if heart. It was uncomfortable. I have a very high threshold of pain so I got by that. If you don't, I'd think twice about doing it.

8. I love colon tube enemas. I love the feeling of the tube sliding through my anus both while being inserted and removed. I've described it as almost like being fucked by a long, thin cock. But, unless you're doing it with one of those big colon snake enema tubes, there's no way even a 42 Fr colon tube in a well lubed anus and rectum is going to provide much in the way of prostate stimulation.

Thus my much more than two cents on the topic.

Hi dunstall,

I feel somewhat qualified to help you. I get my 1" x 66" tube fully inserted with regularity. I feel it bottom out in the lower right quadrant of my abdomen at the point where my small intestines end and my colon begins.

Some days, however, for reasons I don't understand fully, I can't get my tube out of my rectum on most attempts, so I give up for the day. I've just found a solution that almost always works.

To nearly always make it out of your rectum, insert a tunnel butt plug first with an inside diameter slightly greater than the colon tube diameter. Then insert the colon tube through the tunnel butt plug. This guides the tip of the colon tube to the upper spinchter between the top of the rectum and the bottom of the sigmoid colon so it can push through easily.

For problems beyond your rectum, determine whether or not your anatomy really is interfering with colon tube insertion. If you've had a colonoscopy, get a copy of the full medical report and read it. Unusual anatomical things should be noted. You might want to get a (new) colonoscopy and request in advance that the doctor doing it advise you whether or not you have a tortuous colon or some other anatomical issue, (which you could pretend another doctor had theorized was causing your excessive gas and bloating.)

If you anatomy is not the issue, the most obvious solution for getting stuck in your sigmoid is to find the right tube. The flexibility of the tube is critical. It needs to be stiff enough to push through without doubling up, (folding over 180 degrees and heading back into the rectum.). It also needs to be flexible enough to make all the sharp turns in the sigmoid colon and navigate the splenic-flexure. It's a delicate balance.

Try a larger diameter tube. I never got anywhere in my colon until I tried a 1" diameter (75 French) tube.

Talk to Bob at SiliconeNozzles.com. Bob is the founder of the company and very willing to help. If there is a tube that will work for you, he can make it for you from the many thousands of combinations of tube diameters, tube lengths, silicone softness/firmness grades, and tube-tip types at his disposal. It might take a couple of tries and cost a few hundred dollars, but if you really want to go deep consistently, this is the best thing to do.

For problems beyond your rectum, determine whether or not your anatomy really is interfering with colon tube insertion. ... You might want to get a (new) colonoscopy and request in advance that the doctor doing it advise you whether or not you have a tortuous colon or some other anatomical issue, (which you could pretend another doctor had theorized was causing your excessive gas and bloating.)

Seems a little extreme. If you feel you must I think I'd go with a CT or MRI instead, as it's less invasive and less prep and no sedation risks. A flat X-ray might even show what you'd need to know (especially if you were constipated) and would be much cheaper. My likely tortuous colon was a kind of "side note" on a CT (and I guess it does explain my tendency to constipation, but would it really lead to more gas?), but you may need to specifically ask as I don't know if they would usually look at it too much.

On the other hand does it really matter at all? If you can't get the tube in then ... you can't.

moliere said

Seems a little extreme. If you feel you must I think I'd go with a CT or MRI instead, as it's less invasive and less prep and no sedation risks. . . . .

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH RADIATION IS IN A MEDICAL CT SCAN OF THE PELVIS AND ABDOMEN TO SHOW THE ENTIRE LARGE INTESTINE?

If you knew, you would not be suggesting that.

CTs are not for your entertainment and making up a reason to have one done that isn't medically necessary can adversely affect your health.

CTs are not for your entertainment and making up a reason to have one done that isn't medically necessary can adversely affect your health.

Hence my later note:

On the other hand does it really matter at all? If you can't get the tube in then ... you can't.

Wildbill2 was seriously suggesting a colonoscopy to find out the same information. They're all a waste of medical resources and, with the possible exclusion of the MRI, dangerous, but again if someone was committed to doing something I sure would go with anything but the colonoscopy.

BTW my CT was definitely NOT for fun, though if I had been completely honest with the doctor and told all my symptoms it is very likely they could have gotten by without it. I guess the things they found out as "by the ways" (tortuous colon, enlarged prostate) have been helpful, but the one doesn't make much difference and the other could have been detected by a DRE.

If you are due for your colonoscopy and do it without sedation it can be a real lesson in your personal anatomy for inserting a colon tube.

Years ago at Mildred Burgess's colonic clinic in Boston she managed to get a colon tube all the way across the transverse colon. About that time I was given a colon tube of just the right stiffness and flexibility that I could get it all the way across mine transverse and my partners as well.

Time eventually saw the failure of that tube, and nothing else I tried would go in nearly as deep.

Then in about 1993 I met Valarie at Grand Dames in Los Angeles, she could do it with the tubes she had access to, and then we would swap, because she like deep insertions and I could do them on her. We had another woman we played with a few times who didn't much care to give, but loved deep insertions.

Then I had some interesting fun with a colonoscopy I bought on eBay. I could slowly "drive" it across all while watching on the screen. Of course a good clean-out was required to see it all, but that was fun, too.

A few times I tried it without a clean out, couldn't see much, but an enjoyable sensation with everything going on up there, but clean up was rather messy.

My first "real" colonoscopy was done without sedation, and I think the doctor was very surprised at how easily it went, a practiced colon! I will say his insertion was quite a bit more aggressive than my slow and gentle insertions.

Biggest issue, enjoying it so much I came too soon, and had to rebuild my libido. The trick was just stop and wait until the desire returned,

Now I let Silicone Nozzles do the work, and the larger diameter really makes for a fantastic insertion.

Pardon if I state the obvious- Maybe it's just a really lousy colon tube.

Lots about physiology, and technique here, but maybe it is time for the carpenter to blame his tools.

I mentioned in a previous post about the pleasure spots located approximately 9" and 15" from the anus. I had previously discovered pleasure and orgasm at the 9" position. I went back to my discovery channel, after a good cleanout, with a silicone colon tube and found my 15" pleasure point. My orgasm was even better than at the 9" position.

I would still like to hear from women who have discovered pleasure points in their colons, at what approximate point from the anus are they located, and what was your reaction when they were found and stimulated. Men, please respond also if you have experience with a women's pleasure points in her colon.

Has anyone ever requested and received the video of your colonoscopy? May be a way to go if you're knocked out and wake up senseless.

A prepped colon is like a flat fire hose. G.E.'s will pump in CO2 to dilate the colon and allow advancement of the colonoscope. Opening the flat fire hose with small jets of fluid will also work. The same is true for advancing colon tubes. When the tube stops, a shot of water will open the track enough to continue advancing the colon tube.

DO NOT PUSH A COLON TUBE FURTHER BY ITSELF! Our member, azdiane's hubby, did that and he perforated his bowel, requiring a temporary colostomy and multiple surgeries.