Ask Med Students to Get Undressed to Observe?

It seems like a good practice to have medical students observe on real-life patients, and not just other students. While I wouldn't want to be treated by a student, I'm open to having a med student observe my physical (there is another post on that subject if anyone hasn't already weighed in...please see that post). There is no reason for a Doctor to get naked during a physical examination (and so that would actually make it unprofessional and even absurd!). However, the medical student who would like to observe is present as a guest, if permitted to be in attendance. If asked if could the student be present, how about a reply that indicates sure - you are welcome to stay if you plan to get undressed as well. There is no Doctor patient relationship there. The student is neither the Doctor nor the patient. While many will not agree this would be appropriate for the student to get naked too, (I get many will have that perspective), it seems 50/50 as to the others in the room who are dressed or naked. If the student is getting the benefit of learning, and really wants to develop from the opportunity, being one of the naked ones seems reasonable. After all, students get naked for other students while learning medicine. A direct approach to the issue seems best....you are welcome to stay if you plan to get naked too. Is there a better way of presenting that, so it comes across as balanced, and a sincere offer, and could promote a response that positions the student to accept that offer?

Are you talking about a fantasy or real life? If fantasy, sure, it could end in an orgy. If you're talking about real life, the physician would discharge you from his practice immediately.

Thanks Jds4med! You asked the real question....how to frame it so it seems like a reasonable thing.

It isn't a reasonable request in real life - ever.

Your sentences lacked clarity and just rambled on the downward spiral. A medical student getting naked along with the patient is what I seem to comprehend. Get a grip.

Pigs must be growing their own wings and flying now with the flying monkey's from The Wizard Of Oz if this actually happened in real life.

Are you serious? Say what? Nope, this is NOT going to happen in real life. This is for the realm of fantasy, role play, dreams when sleeping.

Say what? WTF?? Are you for real?? Students do not examine other students naked. Are you under the misconception that we did? The most we did was to learn to draw blood from each other. Otherwise we learned physical diagnosis by examining real patients. Once again I'm astounded at the hubris of those who try to second guess us. Get naked with a naked patient? What did you smoke today? Puhleeeze!

I sincerely hope this is a fantasy...otherwise very strong pharmaceuticals might be in order.

Nice fantasy! LOL

If you like the scenario, you'll love the next installment of the story series I'm writing ...

I cannot say with any certainty that med students examine each other, but, my ex wife when in nursing school many years ago in Pennsylvania did have an instructor have a class meet in a lab one evening, closed locked door and the pairs had to administer rectal temps and enemas. Personally I do believe the instructor was a pervy lady and since all the students were female I am sure she could justify it but my ex told me there were a lot of long, embarrassed faces in that group.

There are a few stories on Zity about medical students learning by practising on each other. Two friends I was at university did medicine. They certainly learned by undressing and examining each other. This happened in their first year. They were learning anatomy. Part of this was by dissecting cadavers of people who'd donated their bodies for medical teaching and research. Every time they started on a new part of the body or a new organ, they had to expose the appropriate part of themselves and look at what they were learning about. They were in one gender groups but there was no other privacy. This was 100 first year uni students in a teaching lab together. The examining of each other by the students was used as the first chance to learn the techniques of physical exams. Mind you, this was 40 years ago.

I spoke about 10 years ago to another first year medical student. No cadavers, dissection and examination at his (different) medical school. It was all computer holographic stuff.

There are a few stories on Zity about medical students learning by practising on each other. Two friends I was at university did medicine. They certainly learned by undressing and examining each other. This happened in their first year. They were learning anatomy. Part of this was by dissecting cadavers of people who'd donated their bodies for medical teaching and research. Every time they started on a new part of the body or a new organ, they had to expose the appropriate part of themselves and look at what they were learning about. They were in one gender groups but there was no other privacy. This was 100 first year uni students in a teaching lab together. The examining of each other by the students was used as the first chance to learn the techniques of physical exams. Mind you, this was 40 years ago.

I spoke about 10 years ago to another first year medical student. No cadavers, dissection and examination at his (different) medical school. It was all computer holographic stuff.

At least in Germany it is still part of studying medicine to participate in a so called "Präpkurs" (Präparierkurs) to learn anatomy of the human body.

Here you find a lot of Informations:

https://m.thieme.de/viamedici/vorklinik-praepkurs-1502.htm?r=1

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%A4parierkurs

Concerning examining each other: Yes it is common but its about training basic exam technics not about doing gyn exams in each other. If you are interested in knowing more: There is an interesting article about the willingness of medical students to expose themselfes:

https://duepublico2.uni-due.de/servlets/MCRFileNodeServlet/duepublico_derivate_00046620/Burggraf_et_al_Willingness_medical_students.pdf

BTW I have written a fictional(!) story about the Untersuchungskurs (Exam training course). Its fictional but there is some truth in it too:

https://de.zity.biz/index.php?mx=docs;ox=showitem;id=12645