John Harvey Kellogg's Sanitarium

It would be really interesting to stay in such a sanatorium as it really could help to many of us to change our daily bad habits and prevent to eat junk or semi-poisoned food which is being sold commonly these days.

This is the same fool who advocated the circumcision of men in the USA, the reason? to prevent masturbation. Stick to breakfast food Mr.

Well in his defense (and he needs it) it was the standard medical opinion at the time masturbation causes many things including mental deficiency. And most medical doctors at the time recommended circumcision for masturbation prevention. He was more vigorous in stating his opinion than many others. If you dig into it there is a lot written about Victorian opinions. Reputable medical supply companies made anti masturbation devices for children. Yes Dr. Kellogg was a wacko but in this case he wasn't far off main line medical thought.

Well in his defense (and he needs it) it was the standard medical opinion at the time masturbation causes many things including mental deficiency. And most medical doctors at the time recommended circumcision for masturbation prevention..

This should be qualified: many American doctors at the time recommended circumcision for masturbation prevention ... there was never a mass belief in the beneficial results of circumcision with European doctors. Sadly it was a few European doctors/quacks who started the whole nonsense in the late 18th century, but circumcision mania never caught on as it did in the US. Why it did in the US is something to ponder on.

Well it was the Americans who got on the bandwagon along with the UK in Victorian and Edwardian times. I believe the UK gave it up faster than we in the US. But mainland Europe didn't seem to ever embrace it in the same way.

Well it was the Americans who got on the bandwagon along with the UK in Victorian and Edwardian times. I believe the UK gave it up faster than we in the US. But mainland Europe didn't seem to ever embrace it in the same way.

The UK didn't really take up circumcision for the reasons that Americans did and it was certainly far more class based. The British upper classes took to it far more readily than commoners ever did.

One of the historical reasons for this was Empire. Britain (and the East India Company) ruled over vast swathes of territory in the 19th century and large parts of this empire was inhabited by Muslims. Trade was conducted in even larger parts of the world with Muslim rulers. And one of the customs so often described in historical accounts in the 18th/19th centuries was that many Muslims of high standing, refused to do business (either trade or politics) with uncircumcised people, It was thought to be very unclean. They would insist (and somehow or another find out) on the circumcision status of the non-Muslim in question. How this was done in practice is not always clear, though it was described in some instances with having intermediary physicians having a quick look and reporting the outcome.

So, in order to keep trade going smoothly and profitably and in order to placate local rulers (remember that India comprised many princely states, independent in theory and ruled over by Muslims whose sensibilities had to be taken into consideration), the East India Company made it mandatory that employees be circumcised. Employment in the EIC was very profitable and vast fortunes were made by members, so they considered circumcision a small price to pay in return for wealth and riches. Soon, with (high class) families contemplating a career for their sons in the EIC or later the Colonial Service, they had sons circumcised at birth.

And even for those who did not go East, circumcision soon came to be imitated as something that the higher classes did, as a sort of status symbol.

Obviously the British had their anti-masturbation obsessed parents and physicians, but not on a scale as in the US and they did not stress circumcision as a blanket solution. They probably knew that circumcised colonial administrators and members of the EIC were just as prone to the vice as any non-circumcised Britisher.

I would think British went the way of cold icy showers and sending their offspring to public schools to be humiliated, toughened up and reared in the appreciation of corporal punishment fetishism ... 😃

I have to say that even with my low and loose circumcision, masturbation has worsened after it.

But I can clearly imagine that a tight circumcision in the pre-lube era could be a "hard job" rather than a handjob.

Definitely, HK idea could discourage masturbation, but in the other hand, It could push for sexual relations.

There are no arguments for circumcision without a medical indication.

1 and 2 With appropriate hygiene, these claims can not be upheld.

Hygiene means washing the penis in the morning, in the evening and after use with the foreskin retracted.

3 There's no arguing about looks. I like uncircumcised penises much better. In addition, the foreskin is intended to protect the sensitive glans. This is so provided by nature and therefore certainly not wrong. A long foreskin has the advantage that it is great for masturbating. Because you always have a vulva, so to speak. The circumcision in different religions was ultimately made for hygienic reasons and then religiously transfigured over the years. The religions prescribing this are all originated in areas where water shortage was. Religions that have arisen in other areas without water shortage require no circumcision. The prudish US Americans originally introduced circumcision to curb masturbation. This does not work as we know. But out of ignorance, the circumcision was continued. Luckily, this calamity also subsides in the USA.

I attended a private boarding school in England in the 1960s, and any signs or even just suspicion of masturbation would be cause for punishment. Our bed linen, gym shorts were regularly checked for the signs of stains. Circumcision was not the norm in England, but boys' foreskins were regularly checked throughout our school attendance.

I believe the UK gave it up faster than we in the US. But mainland Europe didn't seem to ever embrace it in the same way.

Mainland Europe never embraced the circumcision to prevent masturbation mania at all. None of that nonsense ever caught on probably because on mainland Europe, circumcision has always been associated with being either Jewish or Muslim. In fact, Christian doctrine proscribed the procedure, it was considered sinful except for true medical reasons.

As an anecdote, yesterday through a meandering conversation with a long time lady friend, it came to the subject of wacky family members and on-going arguments between parents. I told her the story of how my father was incensed I wasn't cut at birth (in Belgium) and how they were still arguing about it and proverbially hurling recriminations at each other over this when they were in their 80's.

My Belgian lady friend was mystified why anyone not Jewish or Muslim would wish to have that done to a (newborn) son. I told her a short history of circumcision in the US and the reasons why. She was somewhat flabbergasted, never having heard of the American blanket practice of circumcising. I'm going to guess she was not one for perusing porn or giving attention to such imagery, but she simply had no idea about that custom.

Didn't know circumcision is done to prevent masturbation. When I was young, my parents said they had me done for cleanliness. Considering how much I masturbate, I can only wonder how much more I'd do if I wasn't cut...

Didn't know circumcision is done to prevent masturbation. When I was young, my parents said they had me done for cleanliness. Considering how much I masturbate, I can only wonder how much more I'd do if I wasn't cut...

You probably wouldn't have masturbated any much more no matter cut or uncut. A wish to engage in sexual activity is a function of the mind more than anything else and cutting away a piece of skin isn't going to change a person's mind. It may make it more difficult and less pleasurable, but short of Pavolian or B.F. Skinner type of cognitive reconditioning or the (forced) ingestion of libido inhibiting drugs, not much can change a person's sex drive.

The cleanliness excuse is just something that can be used as an excuse when circumcision is talked about in polite company or when parents/doctors/authority figures don't wish to draw attention to masturbation. Because talking about it to a youngster is often enough to make it even more attractive an activity. Besides, some parents just can't bring themselves to discuss the subject of masturbation at all. Then you get the euphemistic stuff in which for instance 'cleanliness' can be taken to mean 'mental cleanliness' or the 'pure in heart and mind' crap that religious, older people or boy scout manuals so like to dish out.

When I was young, my parents said they had me done for cleanliness.

Back in 1962 that is the excuse the hospital gave for wanting to cut me. My father was uncut and put up a strenuous argument against them doing it to me. Even going to our senior minister at the time to get his take on it (his sons weren't either). I was taught from an early age to wash myself. Never had any UTI's or other issues.

Didn't know circumcision is done to prevent masturbation...

If that's the case, my parents deserve to get their money back for my circumcision! ?

F$*% John Harvey Kellog, I hope he knows I like to masturbate while eating a bowl of cornflakes just to spite him.

@Umbrella That was funny, Can you do it with Weet Box . . .er. .Weet Bix

Website recognition of JHK's research practices

www.traditionalhydrotherapy.com

By chance I'd looked up the correct term for Sanitorium & found that Sanitarium were interchangeable. .being one and the same by description.

Sanitoriums came into being primarily to treat leukaemia patients, This medical term later became Sanitarium which treated a range of illnesses by way of health retreats.

@That_Australian

Quack, quack, quack

The ONLY legit health claim for colon hydrotherapy is to make the client poo.

Chuckling, he made alot of money cleaning people out and selling cereal for health reasons!

@That_Australian

The irony is that Kellogg's Corn Flakes are not really a high fiber cereal:

"Is Kellogg's corn flakes high in fiber?

Kellogg's Corn Pops have zero grams of fat, 3 grams of wholesome fiber and less than 10 grams of sugar. However, it also contains hydrogenated oils, which have been linked to high cholesterol, heart attack and strokes."

My favoured breakfast cereal is Weet Bix . . A product of the Sanitarium Company & no relation to JHK . .it too will make one poo

”Kellogg’s Frosted Flakes…. Thery’re GGGRRREEEAAATTT!!!”

@Fawkes

John Harvey Kellogg is rolling over in his grave at frosted flakes. He eschewed sugar. It was his brother, the actual founder of the Kellogg's empire, who added sugar to JH's breakfast food and made it palatable See the History Channels programs about American food.

https://play.history.com/shows/the-food-that-built-america/season-2/episode-16

OK, I admit that I love Frosted Flakes! I used to eat them out of the box dry when I got home from school. I know they’re unhealthy, so don’t remind me! Thanks.

One thing I wonder about is how they handled the effluent from all those enemas

One thing I wonder about is how they handled the effluent from all those enemas

They let it dry out, add some sugar and make Frosted Flakes out of it!

(Maybe that will help curb @Vicki_V 's appetite for them!)

Thanks for the laughs folks, you'd all make JHK proud.

@Vicki_V naughty gurl

It seems the comments have deviated somewhat from the question the OP posed, which I would like to answer that i would welcome an extended stay in clinic, it certainly would be better than my current existance

@Sean ,

I run on humor and sarcasm. My remark was full of both😉🤣💥

If the real John Harvey Kellogg's place was anything like the depiction in The Road to Wellville I would love to have gone there and be ministered to by Nurse Graves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAHhG-PCDQY

@gwhap

Note my first word: “If”