Rectal Rehydration

Thank you CIA. There may be a whole new interest in enemas. However, the news articles are pretty vague in detailing the procedure. Maybe some of our more knowledgeable members would enlighten us.

This has nothing to do with the way the CIA uses enemas, but I have used rehydration enemas several times when becoming dehydrated. I would use small volume (1 quart) retention enemas to help me rehydrate. Back when Gatorade made clear sports drinks, I used them in my enemas to not only rehydrate myself, but help restore my electrolyte balance. Pity they discontinued them.

The Cia could be using them to rehydrate prisoners whom are on hunger strikes, preventing them from becoming martyrs, or using large volume retention enemas as a torture/interrogation tool.

Gotta wonder about the detailed process. It wouldn't be nice as the reports indicate severe Anorectal trauma.

Hope you are right anjisan

Like master anjinsan, I have taken rehydration enemas after long flights. Never had 'severe anorectal trauma' from it. Either CIA have no clue how to give, or rehydrating is not another name for what they were in fact doing.

Using enemas to rehydrate is not by itself a bad thing. I have a trip coming up and will be bringing my trusted bulb to do just that once at destination (in the hotel, not at airport. lol)

Like master anjinsan, I have taken rehydration enemas after long flights. Never had 'severe anorectal trauma' from it. Either CIA have no clue how to give, or rehydrating is not another name for what they were in fact doing.

Using enemas to rehydrate is not by itself a bad thing. I have a trip coming up and will be bringing my trusted bulb to do just that once at destination (in the hotel, not at airport. lol)

You were a voluntary subject, not a prisoner being forced. I'll guarantee you that the procedure was more akin to mechanical rape than medical treatment. The report admits that IV hydration was a valid, available method and that there was no medical justification for the procedure. This was simply a rationalization for torture - er - enhanced interrogation techniques.

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Thank you for reopening this thread. I was hoping to steer it away from the politics, and focus on the more practical, pleasurable, and safe uses for rectal rehydration.

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Now that we've all aired our disparate political views remains the question: can rectal "rehydration" treat dehydration? In a word no. If oral hydration is unsuccessful only i.v. fluids can treat dehydration. Oral solutions containing salt and a small amount of sugar can be used for dehydration of cholera victims and so on when i.v.s are not available. I have seen "clysis" done which is an archaic form of hydration. An i.v. needle is inserted through the skin into the subcutaneous space and i.v. fluids are instilled directly into the s.q. space. The patient ends up looking like Bojangles pants. Veterinarians use this with animals.

Liquidsky,your 100% wrong.your colon is the MAIN absorber of water in your body, and you need to be careful when you take large volume enemas, and retain them,as you can OVER ABSORB and end up with Water Intoxication....

Taking the politics out, rectal re-hydration is a technical phrase for an enema. They are using that term because of the public furor over the last reports about detainees being given harsh enemas a few years back.

In fact the main organs of water conservation are the kidneys. This is done in the descending loop of Henle. The mechanism is the kidneys sense low blood pressure and release renin into the blood. Renin causes production of angiotensin 1 and 2 and which causes release of aldosterone, anti diuretic hormone and stimulates thirst. Aldosterone causes the kidneys to reabsorb sodium. Water follows the sodium. Fluid overload is treated with diuretics..A lot of gobbledegook but an explanation

All I could think of when I saw this was being in an imagined similar predicament, being interrogated by five or six buxom Amazons dressed in tight fitting leather fascist outfits, on various banal subjects related to my work expertise or personal hobbies. Naturally, I resist as long as I can to get the treatment I know I deserve...which turns out to be rectal rehydration.

Kidding (or not) aside, having an awful hard time summoning sympathy for an unwanted enema procedure to 'rehydrate' people on a hunger strike at Club Gitmo after they negated 3000+ people's futures on a beautiful autumn morning in lower Manhattan, the Pentagon, and some shitty cow pasture in rural Pennsylvania.

Guess that doesn't quite answer the original post, sorry. Can only guess they're using a foley to hold it all in so the guy doesn't just blast it all over the interrogation room. If it's a double balloon I want to know where they're getting the gear after Klystra stopped selling them...

liquidsky,your 100% wrong.your colon is the MAIN absorber of water in your body,. . .

This is true. The colon is the main water re-absorber and rectal hydration works well if the person can't or won't swallow, but swallowing is faster.

. . . . you need to be careful when you take large volume enemas, and retain them,as you can OVER ABSORB and end up with Water Intoxication....

Well, not exactly true. You won't easily over-absorb water. You really have to work at it.

It is much easier to get water intoxication by DRINKING too much water than pumping it up your butt. People have died in water drinking contests.

Susie:

:You have such a delicate and refined way of stating things! I can just picture a person standing there with a glass of water in one hand and an enema in the other. "Now, which should I chose?"

Susie--related to Ron's hypothetical question, I can just imagine a suicidal person holding a gun to his head with one hand and a large container of water to his lips with his other and asking himself which to use.

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I posted a rather harsh comment about this question. I removed it, because I was not practicing "Restraint of Pen and Tongue", which is a guideline of the 12 step program of which I am a member. I was in a bad mood, due to a belly full of staples, pain meds. and not being able to drive from my recent AAA surgery. That is no excuse and I apologize to any member who was offended by my comments.

When I was 11 or 12 I was really sick , 1/2 a teaspoon of water would make me throw up !! Our Doctor , visiting nurse , mother would give me one small squeeze bulb of water , a couple times every day , and hold a cloth to block leakage . This is how they kept me alive , along with putting meds up my bottom . Every so often visiting nurse would give soap suds enema with her big red bag , I Know she had a bunch of them at her home. She a was friend of our family . From what have learned from the nurses sister in law , now in her 90s " you were of great concern for several folks in town "

This is not new to the CIA; the Nazi's used what is translated as "water injections" in various tortures most often leading to death.

Rectal hydration , though technically means enemas. has be used for several centuries as far as back as the Inquisition.as a means of punishment and torture of prisoners for the purpose of intimidation, subjugation, and interrogation. It was also use as an early treatment for heat stroke and sun stroke. It is typically a forced enema like forced feeding of the stomach. I supposed it is not so bad if one's unconscious. Perhaps that is another reason rectal rehydration was used to render uncooperative recalcitrant. unconscious. This is a type of thing which I think is not something that is interesting to pursue unless one is a terrorist of some kind or other.

If you take a plain water enema, you will absorb it. The salt mixed in is to keep it isotonic and body neutral. Adding too much salt will have the opposite effect and pull water out of the body.

About an hour after a clear water rinse, I have to pee like a race horse several times.

The colon is the major re-absorber of water and the kidneys maintain the fine tuned, homeostatic water//electrolyte (Na+, K+, Cl-)balance with Renin, Angiotensin, Aldosterone, Natriurtic Protein controlling the mechanism to retain or excrete water and maintain proper water and ion balance. I read one message here from a lady who mentioned that she uses "purified water". I hope, by that, she does not mean distilled water. Throughout the body water travels on a concentration gradient; from a place of lower concentration of +ions to a place of higher concentration, inorder to try to equalize the the ions (usually Na+, H+, O2-) in both area.To illustrate with something more everyday for you contact lens wearers out there: the inside layer of the cornea is made up of cells that pump Na+ out of the cornea into the eyeball cavity. Now that space will have a higher concentration of Na+ and the water-sodium thrown off kilter. According to the laws of chemistry, water will then move out of the cornea to the area of higher Na+ in order to dilute the concentration to normal and balanced amounts. This keeps the cornea compact, clear and healthy. If those contacts are gunked up and old you get no O2 the drive the pump that that pushes the Na+ out of the cornea and then even worse things can happenn So, if one uses distilled water for an enema, which by definition has no Na,K,PO4 etc), the water injected is re-adsorbed through the colon wall into the circulation. If you are badly dehydrated with lots of Na+ in the circulation and not much water, that water is going to be sucked like a sponge back into you. Enteroclysis is the method of rehydration with a slow drip "enema". Not used much today. Hypodermoclysis is a slow drip, just under the skin, with a long needle, into both anterior thighs. If the patient has a heart condition, congestive failure, even uncontrolled hypertension, the water adsorbed from the enema can overload the circulatory system causing worse congestive failure. So, no distilled water and be careful of solutions. Nothing exotic including alcohol. Salt, NaCl made up of (in water) Na+, a positively charged ion and Cl-, a negatively charged ion. Class dismissed

I'm sorry but I forgot to mention an old WWII movie. The Nazis were interrogating an old man, tied face down on a table. The interrogator unrolled a fire hose from its place on the wall, asked the man a question, again. He refuses to answer. The Nazi nods his henchman who turns the water valve. The old man stiffens and water spews from his mouth and he dies. I don;t remember if this affected me the next time my Mother called me into the bathroom.

I had given a friend a rehydration enema she was too week to sit up and drink the water so I gave her an enema to help get her rehydrated she took 2 quarts on the first on and nothing came back out after about 15 mins latter i gave her a second and some of that came out by that she could sit up and drink and when she peed it was very dark yellow