Any male students volunteer for urology classes ?

Hi,

As a female urologist, I am wondering how the medical universities in other countries organize their classes ? There is a theoretical part but also a practical one. Did any males ever volunteer for medical (female urology) students ?

In the US, many schools hire folk like me, Urogenital Teaching Assistants, to teach the pelvic and rectal exams classes in the 2nd year of school. Not only do I lecture, but demo on my body and then allow the students to practice with my guidance. I teach all genders.

The women are called Gynecology Teaching Assistants and do the same thing but with the subject being the breast and pelvic exams.

What country are you from?

BTW, not every school has such a program. Some hire other programs to send their students or for the Teaching Assistants to come to them. Others rely on plastic anatomical models and clinical rotations (with the patient's informed consent).

The work is not for everyone. Some people can't deal with the nudity or the physical manipulation. I'm a nudist and not a kid. Being naked doesn't bother me and when I'm working, getting stimulated is the last thing on my mind. I know some coworkers who will masturbate before the class to minimize the chances of unintended erection.

The one time I had problems was during a nurse practitioner class. I was recumbent on the exam table and a woman who I consider attractive started asking questions during the penile exam. Instead of just stopping, she absent mindedly continued to manipulate my penis. As I felt myself getting aroused, I moved the session on. No harm, no foul.

I would definitely volunteer for that ..show me the way

Fell free to message if ur seeking volunteers

fell free to message if ur seeking volunteers

I would definitely volunteer for that ..show me the way

In the US, these are paid positions. The medical schools are very careful to weed out any candidates with ulterior motives. IOW, if you're just looking to get your winkie touched, your career will be very short.

@ Female urologist ^^^^ "things could turn out a bit playful when getting used to each other"... Oh !...Interesting !!...Care to elaborate ?

Shouldn't be too hard to imagine. A bunch of 18-21 year old guys getting their genitals examined by a bunch of 21-25 year old medical students. You do the math ?

A bit of an aside, but speaking of med students and volunteers, I remember some years ago chatting with a Dutch med student who, as an initiation in his first year, was required to be examined by fellow med students and nursing students ... from what he told it was quite playful after a certain point, with everyone having to get a 'teaching' exam done as part of the initiation ...

Note that this was all strictly amongst students, the first year students being of course the 'patients' examined by the higher-ups ...

Exactly !

Aha ... by this I take it you had an experience in a similar way? Back in my student days I was on a campus that housed only the Humanities ... the science and med schools were located some kms away in a completely different building complex, so there was no interaction between the two. The only kind of initiations I knew about were the abysmally vulgar 'make-'em-swill-beer-till-they-vomit and then-pour-more-beer-over-their-heads' types of initiations, appropriately called 'student baptisms' in Dutch (studentendoop).

Anyway, if you experienced something similar or know anything else about the practice in med school, why not tell about it?

Hi, I would like once. May be it is the kick for the first time

Hi, I would like once. Maybe it is the kick for the first time

Anyway, if you experienced something similar or know anything else about the practice in med school, why not tell about it

Well, maybe some have a different idea of what it really was. People who volunteered were also medical students, willing to help their fellow students with the much needed first practical experiences. First of all, there are many more male urologists compared to female. So for the volunteer, chances were high that he would end up with a male counterpart. So in that case there was no kick and I guess things didn't turn out to be playful as far as we knew from the outside. On the inside, I had no idea about the sexual orientation of the ones who volunteered. Anyway, of course there were also female students. Perhaps that was nicer for the volunteer to end up with a female and if there was a good understanding, things could turn out a bit playful, joking, teasing, you know...

Pity agracier didn't elaborate.

Female urologist, I'm sure the person who was your volunteer was very lucky

Pity agracier didn't elaborate.

Well, the story about the examination as student initiation by fellow med students was something I only heard about ... I never participated in this. When chatting it's not always possible to describe things in detail. I do remember being told that all the first year students were examined very intimately and and thoroughly and that no effort was made to preserve anyone's sense of modesty. It didn't take long for them all to be naked, male and female students.

One thing I do remember as being very un-medical was that all the male students had their penises (erect obviously) carefully measured ... not very realistic but fun nonetheless ...

Agracier,

Student initiation. You mean it was not for the purpose of practicing between medical students ? Just initiation?

We all have a vested interest in well trained medical professionals, that is where our future quality medical care will come from. In that vein, we should all welcome medical trainees when they accompany experienced medical professionals into the exam room or hospital room. I'm glad there are professional training assistants to enable med students to get hands on experience. How will tomorrow's doctor learn the difference between a normal vs abnormal prostate if she or he hasn't felt a hundred in training?

Thank you to all the training assistants out there.

I don't mind med students shadowing attending physicians. Too often, med students are sent as slave labor for lazy attendings or residents. Absent an emergency, as a paying customer (yes, patients are customers who engage physicians as consultants), I refuse to be party to substandard medical care. When I pay for an attending, anything else is at a lower standard.

Agracier, Student initiation. You mean it was not for the purpose of practicing between medical students ? Just initiation?

Yes, that's correct. It was an initiation, a hazing for first year, new med students. The initiation in the form of a mock exam was just something thought up by older students, something a bit more imaginative than making new students drink till they puke or ordering them to do silly and ridiculous things in public. It thought it very well suited to med students.

I have served as a "standardized patient" at a local medical school. Two types of roles. One where I have a script for a defined medical problem and there is simply a dialogue between the student doctor and me, the patient. Trains the student to ask open ended questions. The more fun part is when my role is to volunteer my body parts. And yes I have had female students learn to examine my urology parts. Here the doctor/professor brings in a few female students into the room and demonstrates the proper procedure and then each female student takes a turn examining my equipment. Other times the medical student is being graded and must conduct a practice physical, timed and graded. The female students are usually really nervous and have to told "no problem just do what you have to do". As for your implied question,: yes, sometimes I do get an erection and after a few gropings by the girls I have unloaded in one of their hands. Some of the older, more experienced or married woman smile and take the opportunity to tease a little. During a final exam for the Nurse Practicener license one woman was conducting a complete physical when she slipped me her telephone number and suggested she could provide a more complete exam if I were to give her a passing grade. Yes it happens.

Michjay,

I've been a standardized patient and Urogenital Teaching Assistant for years. While much of your description is accurate, the end sounds like pure fantasy. Sexual activity doesn't happen (occasional erections maybe) and sexual bribery would lead to disciplinary action against both the employee and the student.

Yes it happens.

It certainly happens more when universities don't work with paid employees and use instead own students. Of course selection procedures are very strict and volunteers are screened very well, but still then they never have the feeling they have to be very professional since they don't do this for a living and they are just students themselves.

This sounds really great. Did you have 1 regular partner or multiple? Did your volunteer ever had an erection? Because at that young age, i would find it weird if he didn't get aroused. Did you have to study arousal subjects? Was he naked to practice? Thx !

This sounds really great. Did you have 1 regular partner or multiple?

It was 1 regular partner

It was 1 regular partner

Common doc, what about my other questions, no need to elaborate, just yes or no, pls....

You know, if a male gets excited, they call him 'healthy'. If a female gets excited, she's a 'slut'.

Whatever people think or say, i guess excitment is just normal for both men and women.

You know, if a male gets excited, they call him 'healthy'. If a female gets excited, she's a 'slut'.

Partly true I would say. Males get excited more easily than females when the exam involves with the genital area.

I think I'm glad that they didn't have student or professional models when I went to school. We learned by examining real patients with an attending physician or a resident. The situation was more formal. Later we would go back and read about what we saw. I'm told that female professional models can be quite intimidating. A lot of them have an agenda about females being treated correctly. (I have nothing against this by the way.) We all showed nothing but respect anyway. (I worked with someone in the ER who showed no respect for women and who was known to leave the speculum in when he left the room. He was hated by all.) I think I might have trouble dealing with aroused males. I knew a female resident who had a male ejaculate (or so she said) when doing a rectal exam. I have never been aroused when examining patients of either sex. It's just business.

@ liquidsky - Last sentence I'd say is consistent with all medical professionals represented both here & in the wider community.....Simply doing a fine job sometimes under difficult conditions ...Kudos to those.

I was in the South Eastern part of Texas in the mid 80's. I had a friend that was elderly and a refugee from Cambodia. I took him to a "Teaching" Hospital that works closely with the Med schools. He had a diseased liver and later got an infected scrotum lining. There was nothing to see from the outside, but his pain was seriously acute. His scrotum & groin were repeatedly examined by not less than 7, with each causing severe pain that was similar to torture. That was the end of our friendship. His family blamed me, but I had no idea they did that. There was no cost to him for anything. I later heard of similar for other problems treated there for indigent people. Before that, I took him to get cataract eye surgery. That went smooth, but they scared him to death with all the "Not at Fault" disclosure statements prior to the treatment. The language barrier was part of our problem and should be factored into the disappointment. Medical translation is in another realm.