4 quart bag blues

I would like to howl a lil' bit, knowing that you,other wise people, would understand ! Not so long ago I bought my dream: 4 quart bag, same to those seen in many pictures and videos. I bought it in a sex shop for around 100 euro, it costed me 1 million nervous cells, destroyed in stress, despite tablet of strong sedative taken; took the package to my home, with ttrrrreemmmbling hands ( and heart) tore apart packaging........ and....and, The Big Frustration started !

The first hit was the tube, I cannot say "rubber tube" because material of this item was akin to plastic rod, and the otherwise nice shut off clamp simply failed to bite it shut. Not speaking of some kind of flexibility, of course... Well, I repaired the tube by kicking it to the trashcan and replaced by nice red rubber tube from Ukrainian made "Кружка Эсмарха N3"( Esmarh's enema can N3). Nice start, isn't it?

The second, maybe technically less, but nevertheless very important moment: body of bag was made of, what nowadays is trendy figure of speech, "rubberlike material". BUT! Every serious enema bag should be made of rubber, or what!? Sometimes I speak pure oldschool, it seems to me.....

But the worst was yet to come... some of us speak abut punishment enema, but in case of my equipment, I can surely speak about killing enema, or blood shedding enema: all enema tips, found in black ''display case" have distinctly razor sharp molding edges along all the length plus sharp molding burrs around tip openings. What a terrible sight ! I spent few hours with sandpaper in one and patience in other hand, before they became at least a bit user friendlier...

Shame, however, as they ( manufacturers ) threat us,poor kinky people. Need I add that this "beautifully handcrafted" fetish is "Made in P.R.C."

Does You, friends, have same experiences? Maybe some of you can even tell the name of manufacturer, reading all the symptoms ?

P.S. To tell the truth, after all the precaution work done, it is very pleasing experience to use the bag TO THE FULL.

If it is a 4-quart black bag with a black hose, metal clip, 4 black CleanStream nozzles and adapter, I bought the same thing and had similar issues. I mean, the exact same issues. Too thick and hard hose. Metal clamp that does not stay clamped and only opens to full bore, not allowing degrees of openness. The black nozzles had rough, sharp edges and had to be filed down. I have yet to use it. It did come with a discreet black case and a nice S-hook for the shower rod. I bought it because it looked sexy as hell and I thought it would be nice. It cost around $85 on Amazon. I wrote the seller and told him that when I inspected the nozzles, they were rough. He asked for a picture. I told him that to the naked eye, they don't look rough that it's a small detail that you can only feel with your hands. I told him that they were defective, at best, and dangerous, at worst. Instead of offering to replace them, he refunded the cost minus shipping. So anyway, it sits unused in my bathroom.

I would like to suggest a good four quart bag for you. It's a pretty blue open-top bag with clear ribbed tubing that's very pliable and agreeable to movement and being clamped. It has the usual white plastic clamp, hook, enema pipe and douche nozzle. The seller states that it includes a 12 fr colon tube but, seriously, it not good for anything. It is small enough to be used as a urinary catheter but the tip is open and it isn't smooth enough to be inserted into the urethra so it's best to just toss it out. The bag is inexpensive and you can get free super saving shipping. So about $35. Not bad at all and tons of fun. I liked it so much, I bought one for my lover Mike/xenos. He likes it a lot and says it's spoiled him for all other bags. I recommended it to a friend of mine and he purchased it, as well, and enjoys it. I think that you would like it, too. I think they ship worldwide but I'm not sure. If not, do a search for a four quart blue enema bag and you'll find it on other sites. I just prefer to buy all my goodies from Amazon.com.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009WH8W1Q/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1370659087&sr=8-1

Oh, nice that I'm not alone in this big and cold world, and, look Lady Ky knows my blues ! Yes, exactly, it was Clean Stream the same as you described . Words "Sexy as hell" made me laugh and agree as much, the same time. It STILL is sexy and , as I said, I use this sexy bag to great pleasure, after all my "fine tuning".

Also, much warm attitude from your side, suggesting the bag you liked. The problem, in my case, that I shop only in real stores, where I should be brave enough to show up and ask for that eeeeerrrrrrr.....hhhhmmmmm,,, eeenema bag( hickup). It's like with big motorcycles:

old ones should be kick-started and in cases can kick back awfully, you should get courage to attempt a start; new ones have electric

starters so brave iron cowboy in saddle of iron horse should use great courage and push his mighty finger against electric starter button (or tit ?). No ,don't take this last passage serious, I'm just joking.

Funny isn't it, that in era of full quality, health,security and all other weird controls such a pure dangerous item ( Clean Stream enema nozzles) can slip to shops and buyers.

By the way, Lady Ky, those razor edges will be seen on good macro photograph too, like those on very tips of nozzles. Oh, I forgot to

tell in first post, one of nozzles had not been bored through so it passed no water. But the S hook is handy and lovely invention.

Metallic clamp is up to one's taste, it adds nice surgical/medical touch, and you can still adjust the flow by hanging the bag lower or higher, if you have a luxury of adjustable stand ( or adjustable partner, as in case of you, Lady Ky). I hope, I'm not too much familiar with

you......

Kaspars

P.S. I didn't got, seller refunded worth of bag, and still you have it unused in bathroom, so you have your money back and kept the bag also? Or I missed something...?

I too bought a Black 4 qt bag, but mine is great, I agree the clamp is only open or closed, but the nozzles and tube are all ok. I wanted the 4 qt black for the same reason, it is sexy as hell, with a hint of evil. I have a couple times been able to take the whole thing, I love it when I do, just need to get a x-tra large double balloon nozzle again, mine popped (wow what a surprise - but thats another story). I recently had my gallbladder removed due to stones, so BM's are hard to hold let alone an enema, so I really need my balloon nozzle - can't wait for Medicaltoys.com to get them back in stock. By the way I have had several, I have found I leak alot with the smaller ones so the x-tra large works best.

By the way, looked at the link for the 4 qt blue bag, I will be adding that to my collection very soon. Thanks

By the way, looked at the link for the 4 qt blue bag, I will be adding that to my collection very soon. Thanks

Awesome! So glad to hear it. I love the blue bag.

Looks like 4 quart bags came from different manufacturers, on sales photo they all look great and the same. Mine is true Chinagirl, but I seen some advertised from american suppliers,those should be better.

How's about rigidness of nice blue bag, it's body looks thinner rubber ( at least on photos), is it possible to hold all 4 quarts in it, a considerable weight of water ? Despite all drawbacks Clean stream's black bag's body is very strong. Diane, what you can say?

Although enema procedure isn't Olimpic contest discipline, I stretched my ability to take very near to full 4 quarts in me, just with help of

this big bag, what I consider limits to person of my stature. So the 4 quart bag made my life a little bit brighter.

@kaspars As you said, the blue bag is thinner and less rigid than the black bag and being an open-top, it finds itself top heavy and though it does hold four quarts but it is somewhat flimsy and at risk of tumbling over and pouring out its contents. However, it hasn't happened yet and since I'm not the most graceful person in the world, it should have happened by now if it is going to happen.

I don't take four quarts at once. I prefer the larger bags so I can refill it easier without having to take it apart several times during a series of smaller enemas. I have taken four quarts before but only at the end of a series of smaller ones over a few hours. It is never a goal, though. I'm am generally opposed to large volume enemas. It only happens to me when I'm just filling and not paying attention to how empty the bag is until I notice that it's stopped flowing then realize that I've taken it all.

What do you think about the black bag's hose housing? It doesn't seem compatible with other hoses and the nozzles seem too wide for the typical red bag hose. So the hose and nozzles seem to be able to be used only with the black bag. Is that how it is for you?

Glad to see attention from you,Diane ! I find general design of black bag's nozzles very attractive and useful (after removing all those edges and polishing them), especially I like the longest one with "olive" at the end with small radial openings. It allows me to relax my anus during larger volume enemas without fear that nozzle may slip out, so the more relaxed I am, more water I can take.

I have same opinion about 4 quart procedure like you, it isn't my goal and I do not go to full just with sportsmen's determination. Also I understand that capacity of bowel system depends on person's stature, I am 6 foot, rather slim so 4 quarts are my healthy limit.

On the other hand feeling of being cleaned out completely and by the correct method is good to health, so I use this procedure rather regular. The same as you,I start with 5 to 6 smaller cleanout enemas with plain, lukewarm water, 1/2 to 2 quarts, usually in knee/chest position,those I discharge without much holding time,after the potty I take a half an hour rest, I had found that using inflatable butt plug/ vibrator during the rest period helps to stretch the lower colon tract, so I can take more water later.

After a break I proceed with 4 quarts, I use rather warm water with 3 tablespoons of salt, bag hangs low, bottom of bag is in line with my hips, I use left side position with slightly bent upper leg, hot water bottle on stomach always helps. And the nozzle I mentioned before is best for this purpose, thanks to "olive" end it cant't slip out, water, pumped in by 5 small jets-- openings in nozzle, massages the walls of colon in opening stages of procedure, while colon isn't full yet, due to the bag hanging low, I need not to stop the flow periodically as water without much pressure stops to flow in itself when colon contracts. After considerable time, when I had taken as much as possible, I like to turn on my stomach and lay down as long as comfortable, I use inflatable rubber swimring to place my full belly into .

Concerning compatibility with other enema bags I'm sure that set of CleanStreem nozzles will fit most rubber or latex hoses, I suggest to polish the edges of ends, where tubing connects, to prevent gentle rubber been cut by sharp edges of nozzles. Connector, which fits in black bag's body, however, can't be used in other constructions, I think. Also, be careful with the longest nozzle's small openings, they have sharp edges also, and need to be carefully polished with fine sandpaper, otherwise they may cut the anus in moment when nozzle's head slips in to sfinghter muscle.

Many popular bags have PVC, plastic like material hoses which do not stretch as good as rubber or latex tubing and may appear too narrow for black bag's nozzle set.

Thanks, Kaspars. It's good to be back. I haven't used the black bag or nozzles yet. I spent a few hours filing them down while watching telly a while back but would like to go over them again with finer paper, a buffer and shiner to make them ready for use. I never remember to get them out of the basket in the bathroom.

Once I try them out, I'll let you know which nozzle I prefer. And, yes, I've filed them from tip to tail, including inside the edges of the nozzles so hopefully they will be smooth enough to prevent tearing in either delicate tissue or equipment.

I have a small bathroom so it is difficult to find enough room to maneuver into position and due to fibromyalgia, severe arthritis in both knees and avascular necrosis following a broken bone in my left foot and all the tissue damage and pain from toes to mid-calf, I am limited to how I can take enemas. Most of the time, I take them standing by the sink or sitting on the toilet. Sometimes I try to get on my hands and knees, lie on my back or tummy but it is so painful to do that and very difficult to get up off the floor. I would like to take them while relaxing in my bed but don't have anything to hang the bag low enough. The curtain rod is way too high and I don't want to hang it above an electrical outlet, which is where the only areas are available for hanging. I'd love to have a sturdy IV pole. I have an aluminum take-away IV tripod pole that my bf gave me from his work but it tends to fall over or slide down into itself so it's a challenge to use. Not very relaxing...

It would be so nice to find a way to relax on the bed, with a bag at the perfect height and a large enough volume that it isn't necessary to refill it. I'll work it out someday and just do the best I can for now.

Hi Diane, I'm pleased to know something about you,after all we are real people, not only virtual icons. You made me think a lot, I don't know is it fair to say that I felt quite sad reading about difficulties you experience, movement restrictions etc. I'm still flexible like in my 20ties and only limit to my choice of position is my imagination. I also have luxury of bedroom where to set up environment for ply, last year I had even more: keys from neighbour art studio type apartment, going to be sold, it brought only one problem: I spent entire nights playing, having problems next day to work.

Now you made me feel sorry that we all do not have same level of freedom. On the other hand, you are form most cherished and praised group here: WOMEN, so you might have no problems to find a friend you like. After all, any gentleman will be pleased to hold a bag for you.... We are more flexible and creative than those Y poles, if you let me say so.

However I'm glad that you still have ways to play. Finding right height for bag hanging could be quite a problem, I agree. But ! You always have a right to be inventive, it's possible to combine and cross various hooks, ropes, cloth hangers etc.to obtain what you need. Cloth hangers are especially sexy, as they still have some traces from lady's perfume on them. I agree that 4 quart bag needs special attention due to it's er.. weight . My stand have interesting history itself : base cross came from my former high school biology class, where it served as stand for life size fake human skeleton ( I got it as a gift after it has been written off due to old state, complete with skeleton, of course), stand up bar came as iron water pipe after water system change in my apartment, adjustable height piece is part from so called Bunzen's stand, again from school equipment , this time from chemistry class. This setup is sturdy enough for 10 quarts and is adjustable from zero to 6 foot high.

And, it costed me only nice talk to my former school mistress, I liked her anyway.

I used in my early days open furniture doors to hang a hook on, window handle also, in very early days, when I had to be lightning speed with my enema as only time I was alone at home was when my granny walked family dog for 15 minutes. My first self administered was when I was 12. Now I'm 44.

Diane, helping hand would ease most of your problem points. It's too easy to suggest, you might say. Yes, I agree. More than restrictions in positions, you made me worry, how can you sleep at night when person need to be free from all pains to get relaxing sleep after all ? And you still look so blooming.....

I long ago gave up on large bags. Instead, I use an ordinary plastic wash bucket (~10 L / 2.5 gal). I've bent a piece of copper tubing into a u-shape and trimmed one end so that it almost reaches the bottom of the bucket. The rubber tubing fits over the end hanging outside the bucket...I think you can visualize what I'm talking about? Anyway, the metal tubing stays in place and I don't need to worry about weighting the end down. Half-way down the rubber tubing, I inserted a rubber siphoning bulb that I bought at a sporting supply store [it's big and black and used to pump fuel from a gas can up to an outboard motor]. A couple of squeezes on the siphon bulb and the water is flowing, and continues to flow as long as the nozzle is below the bucket.

The bucket is stable and will remain where I sit it. I normally sit it on a table, though I've also used the metal handle on the bucket to hang it up in the air. The siphon bulb has a built in check valve, which means that the water can flow in, but can't be expelled back up the tube. Some may not like this, but I've gotten used to it.

Four-quart (or larger) bags purchased from klystra.com are all top quality and ready for immediate use as received - unlike products from P.R.C.

You can get a good SIX GALLON bag from Sun Shower. They also have smaller sizes.

You better have something strong from which to hang it.

Egirlky, have you thought about the 'Command' hangers from 3M? They attach to nearly any surface (wall) and will support a lot of weight. They can be removed and repositioned - maybe put two up? Just a thought to help your bedroom delemma.

I went to Amazon to check out this bag. I'm always interested in adding something to the collection ............ especially if it's at a good price.

Upon reading the reviews, I noticed that it was either love or hate. There was often a mention of a strong smell upon opening, and my concern would be of undesirable chemicals leaching out from the material into the water. It could be more than just some outgassing.

One of the comments mentioned it was sourced from China, and sadly we all know from the news that many things shipped from there have been identified as toxic.

Hate to be a downer on this bargain, but I do have my concerns.

I'm just saying ..........