1980's/90's BC pill exam in the UK

New here, and recently awakened memories after meeting an online play doc

Are there any ladies from the UK who are of a certain age (40-50) and remember their pill check doctors visits from the 80's and 90's, my teenage daughters don't know there born

Most UK GP's from that age were male, and you couldn't get the pill without a full medical including a breast exam, internal and smear, I was a 15 year old virgin in the mid 80's and I don't recall much from the examination, apart from the doctor repeatedly telling me to relax while he tried to get the speculum in (I was put on the pill due to my periods being heavy)

And because the pill at the time was believed to increase the risk of certain female cancers including breast, ovarian and cervical this was an annual treat, I don't think I was alone in this treatment.

Today it's an annual blood pressure check and a years supply!

I would be interested to hear other experiences of this nature, and why do we think it's changed

Welcome to the forum egb1969

I remember accompanying my then wife to such an in depth examination in the mid to late 1970's. As you say there was more involved in obtaining the contraceptive pill in those days. I believe the exam for an IUD was also very thorough.

I wasn't allowed into the actual exam room itself, but I can recall my wife who would have been around eighteen or nineteen at the time being quite distressed by the experience.

Egb1969, a warm welcome to the forum; I hope you have an enjoyable time here with us.

You are quite right to say that things have changed considerably in respect of the availability of oral contraception without medical examination - certainly as far as the UK is concerned - and you are certainly not the first person that has expressed the opinion along the lines of "they don't know they're born". On the other hand of course, if they had our inclinations, one could say "they don't know what they're missing"!

Here are a couple of posts I made on another thread in March last year which may go some way to answering your query about why things have changed.

http://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;topic=6103.msg337306#msg337306

http://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;topic=6103.msg340731#msg340731

These examinations are a particular area of interest of mine and I, too, would be very interested to hear anyone's recollections.

Rockdoc, are there any details which you were able to glean about your then-wife's experience that you would be willing to share? I'm assuming of course that you haven't done so already - in which case I obviously missed it!

Macca.

As I mentioned in my post I was not permitted in the exam room so the account of what happened was somewhat disjointed as my young wife was quite distressed and reluctant to discuss it.

As far as I understand she was given a thorough medical with particular attention to her breasts and genitals, no rectal exam as far as I'm aware. She did say the internal examination was very uncomfortable as she had not had any children and her vagina was quite tight.

I think the fact she was quite young and had not experienced an examination of this nature previously caused her a lot of embarrassment.

I am pretty sure that exams for BCPs in the U.S. still require a pelvic exam. Of course, we are usually a few years behind Europe in most things medical. 😃

Many thanks for that, Rockdoc. I had just wondered if any details had perhaps been forthcoming at a later date. Of course the reluctance to discuss such things wasn't (and indeed still isn't) at all unusual and is entirely understandable - I have myself encountered such reticence.

Just for general information, I have never actually heard an account of a 'pill exam' where a rectal examination was performed, and as you may have seen from the postings I made last year, this wasn't included in the drug companies' recommendations.

Sorry all, I didn't realise that this had been discussed at length, but its not easy to find some topics

where best should I recount my tales of UK exams or is this topic too well worn now?

Well worn? Egb, we have only just got going, and I'm hoping for much more! Seriously, you will find that there are threads on many other topics which are much longer than this and have been read thousands of times. The specific scenario you raised is a really interesting one and, whilst it may have been mentioned elsewhere on the forum, I can assure you it hasn't featured very much and doesn't have a thread dedicated to it - in fact, I was thinking of starting one myself.

I realise of course that you are still finding your way around here, so here's a few suggestions you may find helpful.

If you click on the titles at the top of the page - those which are just above "Forum" and the topic title and are separated by the >> symbols, you will be able to check out previous topics. For example: click on "Medfet" from this page and you'll see all the boards available to you, from there click on a subject such as "Rectal Temperatures" and you'll see the titles of all the topics/threads that have so far been started on that subject.

There are many different ways of navigating the site - too numerous to mention, really - but a bit of 'clicking around' will help you find what suits you best.

It helps everyone if, before you start a new thread (or topic heading), you take reasonable care to ensure that the subject you want to address doesn't already have a thread covering it: that's not to say of course that your own recollections and comments aren't welcome in a new post on an existing thread, that's what keeps us going! Doing this helps to keep things tidy and ensures that there aren't several threads on the same specific area, and it will of course mean that your own contributions get more 'reads' than they otherwise would.

I would also strongly recommend that you read the 'FAQ' and 'Rules' sections which you will be able to access at the bottom of this or any page on the site.

Don't be afraid to ask for help - we were all new here at one time!

Hello egb1969 and welcome! Love to hear more of your own experiences...

Just before our marriage in the mid '70s my future wife went to her GP to get the contraceptive pill. She had a choice of that option or the more anonymous family planning clinic which most medium / large towns in the UK have. She choose her GP but both options would haved involved an internal examination, they were fairly mandatory in those days.

I drove her to the doctors but waited outside in the car. Having a partner present at such an examination would have been frowned on in those days and most probably not allowed.

She came out later and told me how he had first examined her breasts, which she hadn't expected, and then said he would "do it under her skirt" and told her to take off her knickers.

Being a virgin she found the speculum quite big and uncomfortable, but a full examination was carried out. The doctor was quite gentle and considerate with her, so she found the experience quite embarrassing but generally not too bad.

But afterwards when he told her that she shouldn't have any problems when she had intercourse for the first time, she was highly embarrassed!

A few months after our wedding she visited a FP clinic to change her pill brand and was again given an internal examination. They were very common back then but I'm not sure why they don't do them so regularly nowadays.

Dr Philip - The UK Play Doctor.

I'm finding it quite cathartic to be off loading some of these experiences, and although I didn't think I could recall much from this first experience, more is coming back to me.

I had three or four such pill check exams at my GP's before I left home in '88 and moved to London to train as a nurse, this had it's own medical examination - which is a most interesting experience, and then again annual pill checks until I had my first daughter in '94, after that it all pretty much dies down, after my second daughter my husband had a vasectomy so no more need for the pill for me and just the three yearly smear tests now

But if I go back to this first doctors visit,as I say the memories are sketchy, but I know I didn't go with my mother, and she may not have even known, i wasn't close to her and got little sympathy, at about 13 i developed over night, quite large breasts and periods as well.

At 15 I'd really had enough of long heavy periods to went to the family GP, an elderly gent whom I had been seeing for many years, I don't think there were any female GP's and there weren't any nurse clinics like there are today, and you also always seemed to see the same GP.

It must have been the afternoon as I went on the way home from school, after a short discussion he suggested the pill, and said that I needed a medical before he could prescribe it, which of couse seemed perfectly normal to me, if a doctor says it's needed then it must be, I know that there wasn't any one else present, in fact I never had a chaperone at any of the exams until I'd left home, I think as I was a minor nothing sexual or inappropriate could be deemed to have taken place.

Again the details are sketchy but i remember having to undress and being my my underwear for the entire exam, I'm assuming I had my blood pressure checked and heart listened to etc, I had height and weight checked, he then had me take off my bra and lie on the couch, I don't recall feeling embarrassed which is odd now I think about it, so I must have been bearing in mind no one had ever seen my breasts or touched them and I as a virgin, again I think I had this feeling of trust and necessity with the doctor, he did the breast exam with my laying down and hands above my head, there was no sitting up as there is in other countries, and it was quite quick, he must have asked me to take my knickers off but I don't recall this but I know I didn't put my bra back on, and I have the feeling that I really wanted to but didn't dare ask if I could.

I don't remember if he felt my abdomen, he did explain finally at this point that he would do a smear test and explained that he would pout something in me, i don't recall any more of the discussion, now this was the mid 80's and i was not and hadn't been in a relationship so had a full groin of hair (this has been gone since 88 though, and i do remember the first time i had to expose my shaved self to a doctor)

Again I don't remember being told to get into the 'frog legged' position, but i must have been because I recall him between my legs with a bright light trying to get the speculum in,it was cold and metal and i know he really did struggle, and i have his voice in my head even to this say 'please try to relax Elizabeth, i can't do it unless you relax more', he must have got it in in the end, and i don't remember it hurting of even being uncomfortable, but I do have this vision or his old grey head really close to my vagina between my legs as he took the smear.

However I still have the feeling that the internal was the worse bit, I don;t think it hurt but I think because he was standing next to me, and I was fully nude with his fingers inside I just felt very, very vunerable which I hadn't at any time before during the exam, and again I have this voice in my head telling me to relax and a feeling of being much fuller than with the speculum, again it didn't last long.

I don't remember getting off the couch or getting dressed, but I know he gave me three months supply and said to go back after that to see him and at that appointment he asked if there were helping and check my BP, he then gave me six months supply and at that next appointment it was the full medical again - I'll have a think on it and see if I can dig up those memories - if you want, or maybe this is a well told and well known story

At 43 and with two children I do have many years worth of UK medical exams to recount, and I am finding this experience both liberating and erotic.

Thanks for listening

An articulate and well written post egb1969, thank you for sharing. Fascinating reading your account. Your third karma point, I'm sure you will receive many more.

I will certainly echo Rockdoc's comment. I have just come back to write this; having read your latest post a while ago it was my pleasure to give you your first karma point. As to your experience, whilst it was not untypical, that certainly doesn't mean it wasn't interesting; and to again reassure you (I hope) I'm sure I speak for many of us when I say please go ahead and share whichever memories you wish.

Many thanks for posting your memories egb1969, I find it very exciting and erotic to hear about real experiences...

Dr Philip - The UK Play Doctor.

I posted this as a reply to a PM, but it's relevant here I think

It seems funny now to look back on it, but before I was seventeen and even sexually active I had three smear tests, three internals and three breast exams where I ended up naked. Twice whilst only fifteen and never with a chaperone.

I look back and can see no medical grounds at all except that it was the norm for the day, but even so, to expose a fifteen year old virgin girl to a medical with a speculum and full internal (with two fingers) by a GP in his late 50's, that clearly wasn't easy for him to perform owning to the fact he had to keep telling me to relax and took a long time getting the speculum in and even his fingers must have raised questions with him about whether this was right, or again was it just the norm? - but clearly not a new situation for him. The funny thing is I never thought and still don't to this day that there was anything sexual on his behalf and he was just doing what he had to do, and I know you'll say otherwise but I really do believe that

I remember a sex education class when I was still at high school, where this type of examination was described to a class of 13/14 year old boys and girls if you wanted to get the pill, I can still see the big TV with a cartoon of a girl at the doctors on the couch with him between her legs, and I guess that's why I didn't question anything - it had been validated two years before by my school

At my last smear test with the practice nurse (last month, and every three years), she advised that they don't even do routine well woman clinics any more, just smear tests and I could only get a breast exam if I went to see the GP with a problem (which I don't have) and the smear was done up my skirt and over in seconds

I don't know why they stopped doing routine well woman clinics on the NHS, perhaps it's a cost issue or they consider it's not necessary anymore with the national smear test campaign well established.

You can still get a full well woman examination in the UK if you go to a private clinic, there are lots of them around nowadays and some of the charity based ones are not too expensive.

Dr Philip - The UK Play Doctor.

The follow up

So three months later I had to go back, I don't remember too much, but I think he only checked my blood pressure and asked how I was getting on with the pill, I must have said that it was better as he wrote me up for a six month supply and said to go back after that, but before I ran out of pills, and I do remember him explaining the importance of not running out and not missing taking any, i really wasn't expecting the full medical again as I thought this was just for the first time

Again the details aren't all there but here goes, it must had been a school day again because I have this vivid memory of these apportionment being on the way home from school and me being in my uniform (for those who fantasize about uniforms, it's nothing like what you imagine, it was the mid 80's, so a white blouse with the school tie, a purple blazer and a grey skirt (and it would have been below my knees) and knee socks, occasionally tights in the winter), the apportionment was with the same GP as before, and I guess I was expecting a blood pressure check again, but almost as soon as I went into his room, and he had a read through his notes, he told me to undress to my underwear again

I don't recall the full details bit I know it didn't seem to bother me, I knew what was coming and just accepted that this was what was done, although this time he did explain that one of the risks of the pill was an increase in the risk of some cancers and i think this scared me enough into accepting that this treatment was vital

so yet again still at only fifteen and still a virgin I was alone, naked in a room with a man in his late 50's having my breasts and vagina felt in the name of medicine plus the invasion of yet another smear test, i don't remember him asking me to relax this time or taking so long to get either the speculum or his fingers in me (the damage had been done already now) but I do recall that I must have closed my legs up a bit after he had put the speculum in and was getting his spatula and stuff, as when he came back he (without saying a word) pushed on both my knees until they were flat on to couch, far wider than was comfortable, but I didn't dare move again.

Now in hindsight and after thing back on this experience, and having had several more modern smear tests, he would have me lie down and open my legs put the metal speculum in (I don't think he did sizes, it was alone size fits all for him) and would then leave it in and open wide while he gathered up the spatula and slides and what ever else he needed, and then after taking the sample would fix the slide and write it all up before coming back and removing the speculum, again not what you expect or get today, now the while things is two minutes flat, back then I must have endured the speculum for between five and ten minutes, although maybe that's just my memory

Six months later was just a BP check with him and six months after that we did it all again

Very interesting accounts to read, enjoyed them very much

The frequency of the exams seems a bit excessive, egb; I don't know if that was normal practice for back then, or normal with patients that presented with your specific issues. Either way, I appreciate your writing!

I can't imagine why a doctor would want a large breasted 15/16 year old to keep coming back for check ups!

Thanks for writing this. I hope you found my PM Interesting and relevant.

Maybe I'm being naive, but I really don't think the doctor did anything different to me than he would any other female requesting the pill in the 80's and 90's, other posts here from ladies in the UK certainly bear this out as do conversations with my friends at the time.

It didn't seem odd at all, it's just what happened, even to the point of being told about it at a school sex eduction lesson

And just to advise you 34B isn't that large even for a 15/16 year old

Sorry, I based my assumption on your reference to 'quite large breasts' in post 10.

You obviously meant for a 13 yo.

No offence taken, just wanted to clarify, although to me they seemed large at the time a grew pretty much over night

If a girl or woman needed to go on the pill in the 70's or 80's and some of the 90's, she would have to go to her doctors or local family planning clinic to get it prescribed, and would almost certainly be given an internal examination / smear test and probably have her breasts checked as well.

I remember in the early 80's after our first child had been born my wife wanted to come off the pill. She made an appointment at the FP clinic to discuss the options and asked me to come along with her as I was involved, fair enough.

While we were sitting in the waiting room I noticed a woman on my left with her two young daughters, the eldest was probably 15/16 the youngest 13/14. The girls were quite 'loud' and it was obvious that the mother had brought them in because they had been messing around with boys and she didn't want any pregnancies. One girl was commenting in a loud whisper that she had ' got examined down there' and the mother said 'better than getting pregnant' ! I saw the door open for the other girl to go in and saw clearly the examination couch, but of course the door shut behind her...

True story, saw it with my own eyes,so yes these things happened on a very regular basis in those days.

Dr Philip - The UK Play Doctor.

Following PM's, I hadn't realised that my experiences aren't welcome here and that this forum is for fantasies, I apologies for not following the rules

Egb1969 - Of course your experiences are welcomed on this board. No its not only for fantasies, its for real life experiences too, whatever individuals wish to share with everyone.

Whilst I cannot comment on what was said to you via PM's, I only hope that they were not upsetting for you or they put you off posting more of your experiences/wishes etc etc.

As far as I am aware you have not broken any of the forum rules and as such have to wonder who has made contact with you to make you think you have.

You enjoy your time here, and remember if you had acted inappropriately with your postings, by now one of the Moderation team would have advised you accordingly.

Thanks for posting what you have done so far

Thanks Elizabeth2010' I had a PM advising that this was a fetish site and as I have (as yet) no medical or gyn fetish I wasn't really welcome here

I think as I wasn't prepared to share my fetish with him he was upset with me, and seemed to get quite annoyed, that I, with no medical fetish should be here

Maybe I have an as yet undiscovered fetish, but i dont know

If I am welcome, good but if my lack of a medical fetish makes me an unwelcome lurker I can move on

Egb1969 - Shame on the person who contacted you in this way, I hope they read this and apologise to you. At the end of the day you share with whom you wish, and what you wish to. You can block that person from sending you PM's in the future if you would like to and if they are nasty you could ask a Moderator to intervene. I'd get involved on your behalf, but as I have a way of dealing with obnoxious people at times I dont think the person concerned would welcome my input!!!

Have a good day and continue to contribute in any way you can, its always good when people like yourself share with the board.

Liz x

Egb, the reception that you have had since you arrived here a few days ago amply demonstrates that you ARE welcome here; and if you had broken any rules the moderators would have told you so by now.

So far from you going away, we need people like you here! There are plenty of people who aren't sure exactly which label they can stick on themselves - and why should they anyway? There's no reason whatever why you or anyone else has to say "I hereby declare myself a medical fetishist" in order to belong to this community.

I'm all in favour of people being able to express their feelings by the private message system - I do so myself - but if anyone thinks you don't belong here, I feel they should either say so publicly and state their reasons, or at least put up a case to the webmaster - but they won't do that because they know full well that they have no such case.

Don't let one person spoil things for you (and deprive us of your very welcome company) just because you won't play along with him - if anyone's flouting the spirit (if not the letter) of the rules around here, it isn't you.

I am not really into medfet, but I read these threads and I even have a couple of stories in this area AND I'm a moderator despite not having every fetish on this site. In fact I'm pretty sure most of the mods don't have all the fetishes. You are more than welcome here, and if anyone tells you differently again because you're not really a medfetter, you let me know.

What a way to encourage someone to explore a fetish... You don't have it yet so get out. Grrrrrrr!!!!!!

Ok, ok enough with all th nice comments and PM's

I got a negative comment abou why am I here if. Don have a fetish, and it that moment it upset me and I forgot all the tens of nice and positive comments

I'm here and I'll stick around for a while, and in time, when I have time I'll tell you some more abou growing up as a young woman in 1980's/90's UK

But not right now,mom on a few days holiday battling with an iPad keyboard

But please let's not take valuable space with n more PMs or comments in this matter, please feel free to PM me if you have a spefic question, I'm happy to repl to nice people

Thanks

Liz