Forced Medical Exam

I'm with Turkent. I wouldn't dream of wanting anything forced. The idea makes my blood run cold.

"Forced" to me implies someone doing something to you that you don't want. "Taking control" is someone doing something to you that hopefully was understood or consented upon ahead of time.

So i can't imagine people getting a thrill over being force to do something they don't want to do. But i can understand people getting a thrill by watching someone else go through it.

Its a fantasy of mine but never in a real setting...and as far as i know forcing a medical exam/procedure on someone is illegal and cognizable

A good portion of my fantasies are just that, fantasy. If they 'happen' it is all role play. Forced, cajoled, made to, 'nonconsensual', whatever you want to call it, in the real world is, would be inherently bad.

Molly wishing you were here too

Think it would be hot to have a dude submit to a rectal temp under my control

like maybe tackle him to the bed and hold him down while i pull down his pants/underwear and slide in the thermometer firmly yet slowly with no lube :~

I told this story on another String, I was somehow forced to take an unexpected Medical Exam when I was aged 11 at Elementary School along my Classmates. We had no previous notifications, no Parents permission previously requested, nothing that made us suspect what we were about to experiencie at all! It was carried on a regular class day about 11 AM. Suddenly the Secretary came in and we (only boys) were released from the classroom by her, led to Director's Office and told us to wait outside until we were called in. After a while a guy on his mid 40s and very bad manners (who turned out to be a Dr, aparently sent there by the Health Bureau) instructed us to get into the office in pairs (2 boys at a time) every time he made a call.

We had no idea what was it all about, neither what was going on inside that office. 15 minutes later the door was opened and that man said "Next!" almost yelling. Another 2 of my class mates got in (with the first 2 kids still in the room) After a few minutes those boys came out and let us know the whole thing.. We had to have a Mandatory Physical Exam! We freaked out, specially when we knew that the Exam consisted on examining only our genitals and anuses! My Gosh! It was like felling into a trap! (luckily I had had enough time that morning to shower before going to school!)

As my classmates were going in and out from that room, me and another boy delayed our turn just to be sure we were going to be the last ones (actually we didn't want to get inside at all!) and Dr finally called us in.. He didn't ask anything, not even our names or ages, he simply made us drop our pants and undies to the ankles, turn around, bend over, spread butt cheeks and expose our butt holes.. (the other 2 boys were still in the room watching us) We nervoulsy did as he said. He checked our butt cracks and anuses with a small flashlight, about 30 secs on each, then he said "Ok, turn around, grab your dicks and show your glanses.. and I mean your little dick heads!" yelling as if we were in the Army! We did so, Actually I was the first one that could, because my colleague wasn't able to retract his foreskin. Dr said "C'Mon! Do it now or I'll do it with my own hands!", the boy almost broke up in tears but after a few attempts he finally succeeded unfolding it.. Dr took a good look on each penis with his flashlight, then made us lift our ballsacks and show 'em to him for a few more secs, and he finally said "Ok, We're done! Get your pants up and leave!"

And that was it..! The 4 of us left the office, still nervously, red faced, feeling embarrassed and not quite understanding what the heck just had happened! Of course we never knew what was the purpose of that Surprise Exam, but we knew we couldn't refuse taking that examination, that's why it was kinda forced one!

I knew someone who was arrested in California, about 25 years ago. He said he had to fully strip for a cavity search. Then he, and others who had just been searched, had to sit out in a hallway, totally naked, with their folded clothes on their laps, while police and corrections employees, male and female walked through the hallway. It was hours before they were led someplace and given something like prison clothing to wear.

Surprising that there was only one guy who related his compulsory physical examination for military service and it was in Brazil.

Unfortunately he did not say how long time it took place ?

In my opinion, the draft physicals were obviously one major kind of forced medical exam since we were called to report for the draft exam and you should do it if you did not want to have troubles, it was impossible to refuse to report or once arrived to refuse to undress and it was generally an exam performed in the nude and in group.

Of course a compulsory university or a high school exam for doing sports was also an instance of forced medical exam where you could be very embarrassed if they were performed in group

Surprising that there was only one guy who related his compulsory physical examination for military service and it was in Brazil.

Unfortunately he did not say how long time it took place ?

In my opinion, the draft physicals were obviously one major kind of forced medical exam since we were called to report for the draft exam and you should do it if you did not want to have troubles, it was impossible to refuse to report or once arrived to refuse to undress and it was generally an exam performed in the nude and in group.

Of course a compulsory university or a high school exam for doing sports was also an instance of forced medical exam where you could be very embarrassed if they were performed in group

A military exam or a compulsory university or a high school exam for sports as you mentioned are not examples of a forced medical examination. Granted there are repercussions but there is no use of force at all.

A military exam or a compulsory university or a high school exam for sports as you mentioned are not examples of a forced medical examination. Granted there are repercussions but there is no use of force at all.

I think this is a good example of English not being a native language.

What was probably meant was that those kind of exams were mandatory. It's a subtle distinction in choice of words.

It's a subtle distinction in choice of words.

But the meaning of the two words is not so subtle really.

A mandatory exam means you're required to undergo the exam, but you're not being physically forced to do so. But if you decline the exam, there might be consequences you have to face (e.g. not get the insurance policy, not play a sport in school).

A forced exam implies that someone is physically coercing you to undergo an exam, possibly using physical force or restraints. In this case, you have absolutely no choice in the matter. You can't decline the exam since that decision is physically out of your control.

But the meaning of the two words is not so subtle really.

I hear so many people who are not native English speakers, speak English, and making the distinction in meaning between mandatory and forced may really be too subtle for most. When people speak in a language not their own, they tend to use simpler words - like forced in this instance - over more learned and literate words like mandatory. Mandatory is not the type of word one typically learns in an English class, nor for that matter does it crop up in (non-dubbed) TV shows or movies either - which is another venue where many non English speakers pick up the language, especially everyday spoken English.

You've got to give non native speakers some leeway and be charitable in understanding what they mean. Which can often be deciphered from the context.

And there is also the phenomenon that English has a plethora of synonyms, many with very subtle shades of meaning. Other languages don't have as many synonyms for a word or concept.

You've got to give non native speakers some leeway and be charitable in understanding what they mean.

Sure. But the member that originally started this thread (it appears they're now banned for some reason), indicated that they were in Connecticut, here in the U.S. And they said "forced". That's how we should interpret the original intent of this thread.

I second the vote over giving esaterman some slack due to a language barrier (his English is actually quite good for being a non native speaker) compounded by the fact the OP could not grasp the difference between cumpulsory and forced. If I ever attempted to speak French I would only make a fool of myself.

Sounds like there is potential for confusion between "forced" as in physically forced, and "forced", as in required by some law, etc.

In one case, one can be forced by physically being manhandled, or the potential to be

In the other case, one does not have a choice to opt out, as it is not "optional", but yet something that is necessary to achieve something, like in order to be employed or attend school.

Turkent: Well, in countries with a draft, refusing to undergo a military health examination may well end up with you being taken by force to jail, right? ;-)

I have already posted this link: in induction into a reform school for wayward teenage girls, a girl undergoes a virginity exam by a nun:

http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/x1h7f5_apo-dictique_les-diablesses/1#video=xfyd2s (near 8')

I read testimonies from elderly women who were sent to such schools. A number of them report such a humiliating examination... and one reported that since she resisted, the nuns opened her legs by force.

True you will end up in jail but that is a consequence of a bad decision. Again you are not being forced to undergo the examination at all.

I have been strong armed by two guards (Furloughed Carnival Workers as I say) stripped naked and undergone an involuntary physical examination/ body cavity search. The true difference between cumpulsory and involuntary.

The only time I really ever heard of a guy being forced to be examined was when I was in my 20s. I worked for a major steel producing company in the traffic dept. I was hourly, but I worked with and for a salaried employee who had been with the company for many years.

In January of each year the salaried men were required to submit to an "Executive Physical". This was probably 35, 40 years ago, so there weren't MRIs, Scanners, etc. The salaried men were scheduled to have testing done at the Ford Hospital in downtown Detroit.

For 3 consecutive days, they had to appear at the hospital for various types of tests.

On day 1, for instance, they were given regular physical exams, BP, stethoscope chest, abdomen, etc.

On day 2: there was psychological testing.

On day 3: They met with a urologist. Genital exams, etc. Then they had to meet with a proctologist. There they were subjected to rigid sigmoidoscopies. (Before the flexible scope).

Unfortunately, one of the executives was (as the other guys called it) "goosey". He was totally paranoid about being examined rectally.

As it turned out, after the doctor and tech positioned him on the proctoscopic table,. the doctor proceeded to insert the scope into him. This guy just started yelling, and tryng to jump off the table, which by now was fairly far off the floor. Several male attendants were called in to try to restrain him. According to the story, in addition to trying to restrain him, the attendants were trying to calm him down, and also explain to him that he needed to let the exam continue, otherwise the company would have to reschedule him to have the procedure done at a later date, which would not please the company. Eventually the doctor was able to continue and complete the exam. His fellow executives were still all lined up on chairs in the hallway, dressed in exam gowns, waiting for their exams. I'm sure a few of them were freaking out, knowing that they would soon be on that table, and hoping that it wouldn't be as bad as this guy seemed to think it was. So, when the poor guy exited the procedure room, his face was red as a beet,he was sweating profusely, and they could also see that he had tears in his eyes!

I wasn't at the hospital when it happened, but, unfortunately guys will be guys, and this poor guy was teased mercilessly for weeks. His new nickname was "Goosey Gander". The worst part for him was that he knew he would be subjected to the same thing the next year.

The only time I really ever heard of a guy being forced to be examined was when I was in my 20s. I worked for a major steel producing company in the traffic dept. I was hourly, but I worked with and for a salaried employee who had been with the company for many years.

In January of each year the salaried men were required to submit to an "Executive Physical".

Very interesting story, something certain to get medfets going strong.

But in the real world, what would have been the actual practical purpose of scheduling such invasive exams, over such a long period no less? I can't think of any rationale at work, except maybe the company proving to these guys being examined that they were owned by the company, from head to toe and all points in between. Sort of like saying 'we own your ass and you better know it too!' Sounds very much like a power play of sorts to me. Especially since hourly workers, who I am guessing did far more strenuous physical labor than the salaried types, did not get the same treatment.

Ok I apologize to have written a message about that subject too quickly, I have made a mistake since I would have made a distinction between a compulsory examination and a forced examination. But in my opinion, like " J T Mac form", I was thinking that the discussion was also about a medical examination "forced" by some law, which was not optional, not only a physically forced examination !

I recognize that normally the draft physical examination or school physicals without an option to refuse to undergo the exam were compulsory examinations but we were submitted to report for these examinations by the law, not by use of physically coercition .

Even if in France when a young man refused to report in front of the draft board commission or to come at a pre-induction center for his military exam in order to decide if he was fit or not for military service, he was arrested at home by military men and put in jail before being send to a military unit where he was submitted to a medical examination..

so the difference was not so strong as some are telling.

And as regards compulsory school . examinations, if you did not come on the schedule mentioned by the school authorities, you were summoned an other time and if you did not come without reason, you could be expelled of the school.

But it was obviously different of a physical examination at the entrance of a juvenile jail or of a strip body cavity search which can require coercition .

Agracier: Obviously you don't believe the story was an actual experience.

Ordinarily I wouldn't try to defend the authenticity of a story, but I DO need to clarify a few things for you.

This happened in 1965. At that time, at Great Lakes Steel in Ecorse, Michigan, it WAS required of all the salaried executives of the company to submit to a 3-day Executive Physical. I remember it very well because we underlings had to assume responsibility for those 3 days, and do the work that our bosses, the salaried guys, would ordinarily do.

If you don't think it is plausible that a physical would take 3 whole days, you might want to do some research as to Executive Physicals back in 1965. I can guarantee you that they DID exist.

Ordinarily, when relating a story, I tend to embellish a bit. With relating this story, absolutely nothing was made up.

To this day I can remember the look on this poor guy's face the next day when he came in to work. He was obviously aware that everyone was talking about his experience.

I remember every detail of what my boss told me, since he was one of the guys waiting in the hall for his turn. All I have to pass on is the story my boss told me.

The reason I still think about it is because my fantasies usually revolve around a patient who is scared, embarrassed, resistant to intimate exams (male or female). This story, at the time, seemed almost too good to be true, and it was relayed to me by a guy who had absolutely no idea that he was fueling my fantasy.

In conclusion, whether you believe the story or not, is up to you. And I have to say, in my many years as a medical fetishist, my real fantasies were to witness a REAL patient undergoing an intimate,embarrassing exam. Up to this point, I have experienced this 4 times. And they didn't just happen. I had to maneuver and manipulate the situations so that the patient felt he needed me in the exam room. Not always easy.

Anyway, take care, my friend.

P.S. -- I would really like to hear about or from others who have similar fantasies, and possibly share an experience they may have had that fit into their fantasies.

So sorry. I failed to mention one thing that may be important. For anyone doubting the existence of 3-day physicals back in 1965, they were performed at the Henry Ford Hospital (main downtown branch) in Detroit. I'm sure some research could verify the practice at that time.

I had a friend who was tricked into going or basically forced by her mother at a young age. Her mother was afraid she would get pregnant. She wasn't even having sex at the time. She was only 13. Her mother went in with her. When she was told to get undressed and she saw the stirrups out she knew. It was a family doctor who did it. Her mother told her that it would not hurt a bit. The nurse and her mother held her while the doctor did it. She told me that it was painful and she felt her hymen tear. But after I guess you could say her mothers plan backfired. She started having sex and forgot her pills and got pregnant. I have to state that I hear kids and women who are still virgins being told it won't hurt, it may feel a little uncomfortable is all. Each woman is different. It is true that for some it won't hurt but some it does. I did not have sex until I was 17. I didn't even use tampons until after I had sex. I tried tampons once when I was still a virgin and it hurt bad. For some a pelvic may or may not break the hymen. Not all hymens are really tight. It all depends on the woman.

So sorry. I failed to mention one thing that may be important. For anyone doubting the existence of 3-day physicals back in 1965, they were performed at the Henry Ford Hospital (main downtown branch) in Detroit. I'm sure some research could verify the practice at that time.

Real or not nothing was forced. There were dire consequences such as loss of employment due to noncompliance but again nothing was forced. I was forced. Big difference, guy.

Agracier: Obviously you don't believe the story was an actual experience.

Ordinarily I wouldn't try to defend the authenticity of a story, but I DO need to clarify a few things for you.

Oh my, sorry if you got that impression, because I totally do believe your story. It never crossed my mind to doubt it.

My comment was on my trying to find the rationale behind having only salaried employees examined so thoroughly but not the hourly employees, who would normally be doing much more strenuous work and therefore be much more likely to need more medical supervision.

And I'd also wonder at the thoroughness of a 3-day exam. Why ever would a company insist on it being done, if not as a way of controlling employees and letting them know that the company owns their ass, lock, stock and barrel? And pardon the metaphor, but in this case the company really was sticking it to them with the proctological exam.

I don't doubt your account at all. But I do doubt the good intentions of the company in question. To me it sounds like they were sending a message and not so much concerned about the health of their salaried employees.

Turkent: There is definitely a difference between your story and mine. But perception is important. The executives who went to these physical exams did NOT do so by choice. In essence, they faced losing their jobs if they did not cooperate. As to why the company felt they needed yearly Executive Exams was because (and I am just guessing here) they had their Executives insured (Life Insurance), and they wanted to be sure they were not putting an executive into an important position if he was not in good health.

But, as I said, I'm just guessing. I don't know why they would spend this kind of money for 3-day physical exams. I'm sure they were very expensive.

No force, just consequences.

. . . My comment was on my trying to find the rationale behind having only salaried employees examined so thoroughly but not the hourly employees, who would normally be doing much more strenuous work and therefore be much more likely to need more medical supervision.. . .

The salaried/full time employees were probably under contract and had certain perks and benefits like insurance and the company wanted to know the condition of what/who they were insuring.

Hourly employees were likely part time and not under an employment contract.

The salaried/full time employees were probably under contract and had certain perks and benefits like insurance and the company wanted to know the condition of what/who they were insuring.

Hourly employees were likely part time and not under an employment contract.

Odd customs. Don't you guys in the US sign a labor/employment contract stipulating conditions and pay etc when employed hourly? That is certainly the case here. When you are employed, no matter how part-time, everyone signs a labor contract and everyone has health insurance. Even when you are hired as fictionally self-employed, there is always a labor contract involved and health insurance. Otherwise how does one resolve potential disagreements down the line? With no contract, employees are at the whims and whams of their employers.