Easier with a full or empty colon.

"For me there is no question. The first couple of enemas are like "housekeeping" and get the playing field of my colon ready for the fun."

Very well said

When I have the urge, I just go with it. Usually my firt enema is just a soapy 2 Qt. Next is still cleaning out, but slightly larger volumn. After that I go to 3 Qt minimum and play around with liquids.

Since I have serious constipation problems, I am almost always "full" for an enema. I prefer it that way. I find the enema much more intense when backed up and don't particularly mind the discomfort.

I have noticed over many years and thousands of enemas, if I already feel the urge an enema goes in very easy, but if not it can vary. I've wondered if others have observed any similar experiences.

Even as a child, if I was "backed up," the enema went in easily, I could take a lot, and, of course the results were good. But if I didn't have to go already, it might take longer to go in, and be more cramps and uncomfortable.

One of my play partners had noticed the same thing, so if we were going to meet for enema play she would hold back, and, like me, loved the feeling of exploding on the toilet.

Now, regardless of how the first enema went, as long as there was enough time, all subsequent enemas went in very easy, but always lacked the satisfaction chunks could bring.

Even with colonics, much more enjoyable if I arrive already in need.

Anyone else with a similar experience?

It seems that there is no rhyme or reason why the enema goes in easy sometimes ....... and other times, not.

At least for me.

Generally in any sequence of enemas the second round is the hardest to retain

I agreed with LisaK, but I usually wait until things have quieted down before taking the second enema, otherwise I might have to stop at about half a bag and expel. Of course that can happen with any subsequent enema, but does seem quite a bit more likely with the second.

When we did the "Who Can Take The Most In An Hour," a few years ago, failing to take a full two quarts was disqualifying, and the disqualification was usually the second enema.

A trick I learned a long time ago, two Ibuprofen before an enema play session can reduce the cramping. I expect there are some smooth muscle relaxers that work very well, but they may be prescription and may have side effects that will detract from your enjoyment. Does anyone have experience with them?

Of course getting through that second enema can be made easier with a retention nozzle, however, one thing that does work for me, an in-line pump. When everything stops and becomes uncomfortable, a couple of squeezes on the bulb often opens things up and normal flow returns.

My other half has IBS-C and before she takes a bag, she takes 2 of her smooth muscle relaxer tabs., so she can get 2 qts. in.

(Her Rx'd medication is "Anaspaz")

Any of the old time gut relaxants will do the same thing. (Donnatol elixir, Hybephen, etc.) All these products are Rx only.

Generally in any sequence of enemas the second round is the hardest to retain

FOR YOU!

Others find it much easier to both fill and retain the enema once the colon has been previously dilated and emptied.

I agree with the OP, especially if there's a colon tube to be inserted. About a week after my last enema, my colon's pretty full, but not impacted, since I have to take psyllium husk every day. I have a 1,2 m (48") Fr 42 OHP silicone colon tube. This is long enough to reach my caecum if I can get it around the splenic flexure. But that's a big IF! A full colon (I have a measure of megacolon) means it is nowhere narrowed, being full of faeces. I also note that the transverse colon sags downward from both the splenic and hepatic flexures. This sharpens each bend, making it harder to get the tube in.

So having lubricated both my bum, inside my rectum and the tube itself, I first slide the tube, admitting small amounts of soapy water (the lubricating soap is important, too) up as far as it will easily go towards the splenic flexure. There I let a bit more water in. I don't have much of a sIgmoid one left (I think I wore it out) and the tube goes past it without difficulty. Then I hold it in position and hyperventilate until I almost feel dizzy, and standing with feet apart, I bend as far forward as I can and simultaneously empty my lungs, hold my breath and suck my diaphragm in as hard as I can, before thrusting the tube smoothly into me. Because the bending forward plus the sucking in of the diaphragm, straightens out the sag of the transverse colon, the tube, which is quite flexible, goes easily round the less acute splenic flexure and into the transverse colon. Breathing again, I admit more water as I push the tube toward the hepatic flexure. There I repeat the process until the tube is fully into the caecum.

After I'm sure it's fully in, I adjust the solution flow so that five litres takes about ten minutes to flow in. There's never a cramp; in fact I can and do read a book while filling. At the end, of course, I'm as tight as a drumhead and uncomfortable because of it. When the siphon bucket gurgles, I shut off the delivery tube and detach it, leaving the colon tube inside me while I hold (for ten minutes if possible. When the holding is over, I pull the colon tube out. I can tell if it kinked (and I failed!) at this point, because there will be a hesitation (a slight jerk) if it did. But it usually comes out perfectly smoothly and the expulsion is pure delight!

On the subsequent rinse enema of plain water it is harder to get the tube in, but even more important for a proper clean out. But I do sometimes manage it!

Johnny

I usually try to use the toilet prior to taking my first enema. After that point, I don't see any consistency in the ease of filling or retaining. Some days I can easily take a couple of quarts on the first round, while others I struggle to take half as much on the first and even 2nd round. Sometimes I can hold it for several minutes, and other times I barely make it to the toilet to expel. I don't see any clear pattern in my own practice.

One thing to remember, what we type here is anecdotal and not the hard and fast science Switchable is speaking about.

So, if I say the second enema can be difficult, IF it is taken too soon following the first (or second, or third) it is based on experience and observation. Yes, Switchable is speaking "good science" in a situation that does not always conform to the expected.

In my case it may have been all those very soapy enemas from childhood into my 30s. When you have a colon that is still in some spasm from the soap, it may need to calm down before the rinse, which also suggests after the rinse the colon is likely to be more relaxed and ready.

So I agree with Switchable from the, if we all had colons that behaved the same, but for whatever reason that first one for me is easier if I am already feeling full of feces. My colon is happy to open up and let 2 quarts flow in easily, but if, for whatever reason my colon is not full to the point of feeling I need to defecate, the enema will not go in as quickly and easily and will have more cramping.

I'm also the person that gets 0 pain relief from Acetaminophen, and some other drugs don't work as expected. I'm me, I know what works for me, and that may not be a Switchable says it is.

Typically I find that it is easier if I am not full. I usually can take 2.5 qts or so and hold it for 20 minutes but that varies widely. A second filling is usually easier to take. What works best is to have an enema partner who will give me 1.5 qts for my first and have me hold it for about 10 minutes while I am lying face down. If it becomes very difficult to hold, they will cane my ass moderately to help me through the cramping. Second filling is via bar d ex with me on my back. Legs in leg crutches is really nice but I don't own that setup and few people do. Massaging my gut as I am being filled is helpful too.

I'd say it's very colon dependent. When I'm backed up I usually "work up" with enema sizes to empty out the rectum and lower sigmoid, then whole sigmoid and some of the descending, then the whole enchilada, but that's based on results more than cramping. Cramping/discomfort for me is more related to how my colon is "feeling" that day. There are times when I'm very backed up and the enema flows in very nicely. On the flip side there have been a couple times when I wasn't even officially constipated (say day after an enema), yet I tried one because my colon was not calm (and I was hoping that a gentle stretch with warm water might help), and taking the enema was difficult and uncomfortable (and several times I called it off).

It is also necessary to understand here: The small intestine empties part of it's contents into the large intestine about every 20 minutes The stomach also empties part of it's contents into the small intestine about as often but never in sync

When your stomach is empty this process simply releases LESS each time, it does not STOP!

By having a mostly empty stomach, you just make the whole process of retention, which is the hardest part of the whole process, much easier.

Actually, if I am doing a series solo, I find the second one goes in fast and easy. In fact, I am often amazed when the bag goes flat. After the second soapy enema, I sometimes find it becoming harder to take and retain the third, and especially the fourth soapy one. I think because my colon, although dilated and loosened up, is becoming irritated. The salt and soda rinse starts out uncomfortable, but eases up as the solution begins to soothe my colon. If I take a second rinse of salt and soda, it usually floods me fast and is very comfy. Sometimes, I retain it an hour or more as I go about my daily chores.

Empty colon, hands down. So much more space and less cramping. Love it, especially if a partner is Domme-ing me into a second or third enema to satisfy her training or submission requirements for me.

Eric

Yes, it's much easier for me to do a clean out with my colon not packed full of poop! Like so many others, I have IBS-C and it's painful to take an enema without taking Miralax and using lots of soap solution.

I do enemas for pure pleasure and so I try to have a BM before I do my first enema. This way at least my rectum is clear and I can insert my colon tube a little further up into the sigmoid bend or at least just to the beginning of the bend. After the first enema, I expel more poop and thus have more open space to fill with the enema solution and advance the tube further up into my colon.

So for me it's definitely easier to fill on an empty colon vs. full.

MomsEGirl,

Yes, it's much easier for me to do a clean out with my colon not packed full of poop! Like so many others, I have IBS-C and it's painful to take an enema without taking Miralax and using lots of soap solution.

I've had IBS since 7th grade (age 12). Do you always take Miralax before enemas, or perhaps just some every day?

What do you consider lots of soap? How do you measure it? More soap probably cleans better for me but I usually keep it to 1-1.5 tsp liquid Castile soap per quart or it irritates my rectum too much.

Eric

Just like many here I love edemas and will do the quickie ones in the shower every morning. This way when I start my anal play I am empty and have no scat to contend with. It is much easier this way and love an empty colon...

MomsEGirl,I've had IBS since 7th grade (age 12). Do you always take Miralax before enemas, or perhaps just some every day?

What do you consider lots of soap? How do you measure it? More soap probably cleans better for me but I usually keep it to 1-1.5 tsp liquid Castile soap per quart or it irritates my rectum too much.

Eric

I'm not MomsEGirl, but I do some similar stuff. I usually am on daily Mirilax and fiber. I don't know about you, but if I wait for things to stop up then the Mirilax really doesn't do much, even if I take double or triple doses. I have no idea how that works - eventually it should just work like those colon prep things, but I guess that must be a lot of Mirilax. Once I did try to be "good" and wait it out and it was 5 days once I started taking the Mirilax. 5 very not-fun days 😢 . I also take fiber supplements in addition to a diet that keeps everyone else in the house's colon pretty happy. I'm lucky - I've only "had" IBS for 4 years (officially), but I've always had slow bowels.

"Light" SSEs are about a teaspoon of Bronner's per quart or a rough equivalent of "goo" (dissolved bar soap - usually about 2-3 teaspoons per quart). "Heavy" soapsuds is a tablespoon of Bronners or equivalent goo per quart, maybe a bit more. I also have other "kick ass" solutions I use when needed, though there are times my rectum doesn't like being 'kicked' and takes it out on me a bit, but if things aren't working it's still worth it.

Back on topic I find things work much better when I call in the marines earlier rather than later, so I guess that translates into "easier with a not quite so full colon."

@ericmacson It does seem like @moliere and I have very similar IBS conditions. I have to take a capful of Miralax every day or two. If I don't, then I'm asking for trouble. (The Miralax helps to keep my poop softer and helps me to expel the enema easier.) I am enema dependant to make my bowels move and I've been constipated most of my life.

I don't measure the amount of soap used in my enemas. I keep a couple of bars of Ivory in my plastic pitcher and mix the soap and water until it's very sudsy. There are times when I'm feeling especially bloated, (caused by the IBS) or if I have eaten alot the previous day, that I pour the solution into my combination bag and shake it again. I DO NOT recommend the amount of soap that I have to use to get my bowels to move. But it does a superb cleanout, getting all the way to my cecum and I feel so much better afterward!

MomsEGirl - we're similar but yours is definitely worse. Mine lets up for a bit every once and a while, and once or twice it's even gotten close enough to the -D to remind me why the -C isn't nearly as bad as IBS can be. Yes, it's uncomfortable and inconvenient, but enemas are something that can be on my schedule.

@ericmacson and @moliere I know very well what the both of you are experiencing. My wife suffers form a screwed up intestinal tract due to a Doctor's fuck up. From a simpler colon resection to recto-vaginal fistula in one easy lesson. She has been on Miralax now for five years and constantly has problems defecating. She becomes so bound up it is terrible. I feel for all of you in this position and really do know how you feel.. She refuses to take an enema for relieve her situation. She also suffers from colitis which makes it worse.

I've had a different experience. I generally give three enemas, the first two to get things cleaned out and the last one the "one which counts". I've found most people can take a LOT on the third enema and hold it a LONG time. And, on those occasions I've been the recipient, I've had the same experience. I can generally do three quarts or so for a first enema, and generally close to four for the third.

I always take three. If I am full the first one is a little hard to take. But after that it is a lot easier for the next two.

I like taking two to three quarts on the first enema. If I am a bit backed up taking three quarts may be a bit challenging. In any event an enema session is almost never just one enema.

Usually it takes several one pint portions from a bag to get me ready to take a couple of quarts. Typically the second full, 2 quart bag of saline will go in smoothly.

A large enema is definitely easier with an empty colon and a long colon tube. We do not feel anything as my girlfriend and I fill our colons with 4 or 5 liters(sometimes more) of warm herbal enema with long colon tubes inside following a cleansing enema and a couple of rinse enemas. We both look pregnant and try to retain the final enema for as long as we are able to. Anal and other vibrators really help. Finally we squat over our plastic enema pails and let it all gush out. Both of us were taught as kids not to force the enema out, but rather to retain it until we couldn't any longer and then to just let it gush out of us. We also enjoy the first enema with the crushed Bisacodyl tablets in the warm, soapy water as it cramps our full colons forcing us finally to release it.