Was I violated during surgery?

I'm not sure how many of these comments are true.

Urinary catheters can be used during surgery, but it depends on where the surgery is being done, then length of the procedure, and the type of anesthesia being used.

Regarding temperature probes, they may use a rectal probe, they may use a probe built-in to the foley, they may just tape a skin probe to you. I've seen all three done, and again it depends on the procedure, the standards of the institution, etc.

For example, if you're going to have a catheter placed for the surgery, they might as well use one with a probe and avoid having to place another one. BUT, the foleys with the temperature probe are rather expensive (medical ripoff level), so they very well might use a rectal or skin probe. If they are worried about you going into hypothermia during a long procedure with a lot of IV fluids, I would expect them to place a rectal probe. If it is a shorter procedure, they would just tape a skin probe to you...faster and easier for everyone.

The rectal probes they use on the anesthesia carts can also be placed in the esophagus, and often are. Don't worry, those are disposable probes.

I went in for a dental surgery procedure under IV anesthesia and was shocked when I woke up that they had taped my eyes shut and coated them with lacrilube. I then asked--and had it confirmed--that they had intubated me. I was quite shocked, I had not expected that at all. They waited until the IV sedation took hold, then intubated me.

I've seen hundreds of procedures, with the patients nude and sedated and nobody was ever anything but professional. If they were not, we would have raked them over the coals.

I saw one resident once make a comment about how attractive a patient was. We were all shocked and everyone just stared at him; you turn that sort of thing off when you get into the room.

I don't know what happened to him, he was transferred out during his first year. Rumor was that he had other issues and was helped to go away.

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had the scope down the throat right before that, gaging and feeling like i had to throw up the hole time.

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An EGD scope? I woke up halfway through one of those, had no idea where I was or what was going on, just that I could not breathe and something was wrong. I remember coming out of anesthesia and grabbing the scope. The doc screamed at me, and just then I realized what was happening. A nurse helped me take my hand off the scope and they pushed some more drugs.

Not a good time.

When I had prostate surgery I went into the OR only wearing a gown. After I had been place on the surgical table and drape was put over me and the nurse reached in and removed my gown.

All the "good" things were done while I was under anesthetic. My pubic hair shaved and a chather inserted. Not a fun surgery, but the anesthetics were enjoyable.

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. . . . . Not a fun surgery, but the anesthetics were enjoyable.

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Yeah, for all seven seconds until they took effect! ! ! ! 😁 😁 😁 😁 😁

LOL suzie.. .i remember when i had my wisdom teeth out and elected to be put "under" to get them removed. The nurse no sooner than pushed the meds in the iv that i was mid sentence ("No i'm not ready......") when they took hold and i was out till they woke me up.

I have friends who are nurses, and while they say off color comments are made they have not seen other violations

I used to work at a hospital and regularly attended the operating theatre.

The first time I went into a gyn operation I was 17. As the male operating department assistants positoned the patient into the lithotomy position, they took her sheet off to uncover her pubic area before they placed her bare feet into the stirrups. When the guys lifted her toward the end of the table so that her legs spread open, they both enthusiastically said "Wehay!" and then inspected their work with a good lingering look at her vagina and anus.

They must have thought they had the best job in the world.

There was once a time that I walked into the OR pre op holding area and one of the operating department practitioners was talking to a pretty girl in a gown awaiting her surgery. As she was wheeled into the anaesthetic room, one of his colleagues asked who she was. He explained she was his next door neighbour. The next time I see him, he is stood at the foot of the operating table watchng, as she is placed in stirrups ana continued to stare at her spread open vagina.

I wonder if she suspected he would be present during her gyn op or did she trust tha he would be descrete and professional.

He actually got an unexpected thrill. I am sure that the memory crops up time and again during his own 'intimate. moments.

I find this topic very arousing, though I know it is not fair mix up real life and fantasy. In the end here we are cause med fet and let us imagining some situation... Hope we can keep the topic alive. I just share a true story with you guys: about fifteen years ago my wife (ex, now) have had a groin hernia surgery, she was 30 and it happened probabily after the birth of our first baby. All gone ok and she stood in hospital for a couple of days after the op. I was there when a male nurse came in the room for the medication of the wound, he wasn't a staff member of the same ward. I knew it because he was an acquaintance of mine which i have spoken with several times , he was, briefly, a friend of a friend of mine. He came just (allowed from his female collegues that's clear) for enjoy the sight of the pussy of a well known person. For the care my wife have been requested to pull the underwear down and he did his duty, joking and chatting with both of us. After a while my friend told me that i was right: the nurse managed to came to see her shaved pussy, he said my friend that these are 'courtesy' that the nurse exchange each other sometimes when some sparkling situation suggest to do. Basically i did not care at all as my wife did. I try to figure out what could happen if the doctors would know what the nurse do. This is true and i would appreciate your comments if you wanna leave any.

Immediately prior to my wife's gynecological cancer, she was examined by several gynecolgy students so they could feel the tumor that no one could feel while she was concious. Her surgeon kinda joke with us the next day that she would not be getting any credit on our bill for being used.

Allison, I'm not sure why you mentioned her sexual orientation but it doesn't sound relevant. Your "friend" seems unprofessional and immature if she were enjoying and doing it to tease you. It also sounds like she's showing you as little respect as she's showing her profession. Many people feel vulnerable in these situations so it's very understandable and normal that this would bother you and maybe let her know. If she keeps acting like that, sooner or later, she will end up getting her job and license violated.

It is probably better that people don't get told what happens to them during surgery, because some things are just embarassing or at least not nice to know and that's why people don't really know what happens... But it is definitely not nice to tell anyone you know what happened to him during the surgery

From your story, it seems that you were violated AFTER surgery. What was described to you was generally accurate, I don't know if the emotional embellishment was your perception or that of the person who told you.

The staff in the OR is too busy to worry about anything except 1) your safety, and 2) their task.

There were initially two questions - one about the RT and the other concerning the medical professional recounting the events of the surgery to the writer. Susie has explained the RT in her usual professional manner but every respondent except one seemed obsessed with that aspect and ignored the extremely unprofessional conduct of the person in the theatre during the surgery. In Australia recently an RN was de-registered for taking a photograph on her 'phone during an operation. Her colleagues reported her. I believe the conduct outlined in the first post was much more serious than that.

First wife was an O.R. R.N. and to all those folks, nakedness is just part of the job. They get to see all kinds. The only surgery jobs that ever seemed to get to her were when little kids had to have serious surgery. I don't believe that anyone is "violated" under anesthesia. There are just too many people in the O.R.

I've had an upper GI endoscopy awake and my throat was sprayed so heavily with xylocaine, that I felt nothing, then the IV Demerol hit and I was hardly awake.

I had my tonsils out when I was twelve. The anesthesiologist remembered my name as I was in his sons class and I accidentally broke my thumb closing his car door. Anyway I remember the nurse giving me something to make me drowsy and said someone would be back to get me. About 20 minutes later he walks in and wheels me away to a smaller room outside of surgery. I remember him asking how old I was and pulling my gown to my knees and commenting I was growing up. I remember him starting the sedation through the IV. I was almost unconscious but remember him touching my genitals. Then I was out and remember waking up when it was over. I've often wondered how far he went while I was out.

I have a hard time believing you were violated during surgery for one simple reason. There is a whole OR crew of nurses, techs and also surgeons present. It has happened but very rarely.

I was with my partner when she had a pelvic exam for endometriosis. The exam was just a normal pelvic and rectal exam done by a gynecologist. He had three medical students come in and watch the exam There was no breast exam done. When I read the surgical report it was obvious he did a breast exam while she was sedated. I've always questioned why was it done after she was sedated instead of in the exam room. How many other people also examined her while she was sedated? Were the students also in the surgical suite? Later, after she was brought back to her room the same doctor came in and said he wanted to check her IV. Instead of walking around the bed he reached across her rubbing her right breast, then touching her arm with the IV, the drawing his arm back across her breast again and then immediately leaving the room without a word. I couldnt believe what I had just witnessed. He was gone before I could say anything. I thought about complaining to the head nurse but figured who would believe me.

About 9 months later he was no longer practicing at that clinic. Why I don't know but I assumed he had a few complaints about how he behaved with other patients.

I couldnt believe what I had just witnessed. He was gone before I could say anything. I thought about complaining to the head nurse but figured who would believe me.

Why would a doctor risk behaving inappropriately in front of a patient's partner? That would be quite self-destructive and very foolish I'd think.

To reply to the original post i don't think you were violated during the procedure but your neighbour was certainly very unprofessional afterwards.

If your having laprascopic surgery or open surgery in the pelvis you want the bladder catheterised and collapsed so that it is out of the way and less likely to be injuried.

I myself wouldnt mind if students practiced pelvic exams on my whilst under for surgery so long as I was asked pre op its the fact this was happening without any sort of consent is the issue.

I went in for a quad bypass and the first thing they did was stick a needle in my neck and knock me out. I woke up with tubes pretty much everywhere including a cath. I think it is pretty standard to wait until the patient is out and I hope they enjoyed the show. I certainly didn't know or want to know and after that surgery had bigger things to worry about than who saw what.

This question is from 2008. Regardless, that employee should have been fired for violation of privacy and harassment.

Playdate said:

This question is from 2008. Regardless, that employee should have been fired for violation of privacy and harassment.

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The OP (Allison) said:

Someone I knew from a previous work experience was working in the OR and was in my surgical suite when I came in for back surgery. I didn't see her before I was put to sleep, but several weeks later she contacted me and took great pleasure in telling me what took place during my surgery. She told me that as soon as I was asleep, I was stripped naked for positioning. Then she got to watch me be catheterized while I was asleep and that everyone in the room had a good look at my pussy because my knees were wide apart for the insertion. She then said I was placed on my stomach for the surgery and that a rectal temperature probe was inserted in my bottom and stayed in place during the entire procedure. She wanted to know if I could tell my bottom had been violated. I did wake up with a catheter and the nurse let my husband watch when she removed it. Do you think my 'friend' was trying to embarrass me? She is s lesbian. What about that rectal probe? Is that for real?

There was no violation of privacy and teasing a prior co-worker is NOT grounds for firing.

The former co-worker is an asshole for annoying the patient several weeks later HOWEVER . . . .

What the former co-worker said in her description to embarrass the patient is pretty much SOP in the OR.

I don't think OP is telling the truth at all, in her last post to this forum the story had changed so that she was now awake while getting catheterized. It's obviously just a fantasy and given that "she" is no longer a user on this site we'll never know how much or how little of the story is true.

By the way it is sometimes not uncommon that males also get erections by anesthesia. Everyone of the OR crew can watching this. Can somebody (nurses, OR Member,..) tell similar real stories or had experience about that?

Nearby some links:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.2164/jandrol.05158

https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiI5tnk3qXRAhUpIMAKHd-8AbEQFghPMAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.anesth-pain-med.org%2Fjournal%2Fdownload_pdf.php%3Fspage%3D154%26volume%3D3%26number%3D2&usg=AFQjCNEdMoymXyZt-OrG254P1pFnevgtlQ

http://aeurologia.com/pdfs/articulos/4536041621721-eng.pdf

http://www.joacp.org/article.asp?issn=0970-9185;year=2012;volume=28;issue=3;spage=402;epage=403;aulast=Prakash

Greetz

Kirky

Sounds like normal surgery to me.

My brother in law had a colonoscopy years ago and to this day whines about how he was violated! Like really, you were asleep so get over it! Its not like it hasn't been seen it before.

There was a scandal in France a couple years ago when it became apparent that in teaching hospitals the senior staff incited trainees to conduct digital vaginal and rectal exams on patients under anesthesia without any medical reason, purely as training, and without the patient's consent. Some medicine professors apparently even commented "if we had to get consent from patients for that we'd get nobody" and pressured trainees into doing this "otherwise you'll never learn".

My brother in law had a colonoscopy years ago and to this day whines about how he was violated! Like really, you were asleep so get over it! Its not like it hasn't been seen it before.

Not even that. He went in for a colonoscopy, I assume he as told what they were going to do. He agreed to it. He was not "violated," he had the procedure he went in for and agreed to done to him. As a result he is now less likely to be dying from colon cancer anytime soon.

My brother in law had a colonoscopy years ago and to this day whines about how he was violated! Like really, you were asleep so get over it! Its not like it hasn't been seen it before.

For some people, making (unfounded) complaints of being violated, is partly a way of drawing attention and sympathy to themselves, maybe also a way of injecting a bit of drama into an otherwise flat and humdrum life.

I'm certain there are also a lot of copycat complaints or people who let their imaginations get carried away and start to imagine all sorts of untoward things.