Dateline Feb. 20, 2011

Did you guys catch Suzanne Sommers on Dateline last night? She was extolling alternative therapies for cancer as recommended by Dr. Nicholas Gonzales. The controversial physician has his patients endure FOUR coffee enemas a day to rid the circulation & liver of toxins. CAREFUL NOW! Abuse of enemas can be dangerous. One senior physician dissed coffee enemas as hippie therapy from the 1960's. Coffee enemas were actually popularized by a Dr Gerson in the 1930's. There is scarcely any agreement anywhere in the medical community. Some sources insist that caffeine administered via enema does not stimulate the nervous system. Others insist that overstimulation can reach lethal levels. Oh well, I guess you will have to try sauerkraut juice instead. Prune juice is not recommended. Ivory soap will do you proud everytime. Play safe!

I find the medical community is always against the alternative way of health.

I have used the coffee enema for a long time and people today always tell me how good I look and not to mention the great feeling after the enemas.

I know that there is no foundation to better health for coffee enemas via the FDA but don't you find it ironic that they don't try to look into it?

I think you are misunderstanding the role of the FDA. The FDA does not engage in research, and hasn't for a long time (if ever). The FDA is strictly a regulatory agency. They approve drugs and food additives, and devices for use in the USA, but the research is ALWAYS done by someone else. In order to secure FDA approval for a drug or treatment , you have to present evidence that it is statitical superior to a placebo, and is 'safe' relative to the intended use.

If someone wanted to do research into the efficacy of coffee enemas, and could show they are safe and effective in peer reviewed, double blind studies, I don't think the FDA would have any trouble approving. The problem is there is no money to be made from such an approval (no drug patents would be involved), so no one is willing to fund the studies that would be necessary.

Let me give you an example. For literally hundreds of years, Cascara Sagrada has a record of safe use as laxative. The FDA didn't approve it's continued use because there are no clinical studies to demonstrated both safety and efficacy. The FDA stated quite clearly that Cascara was approvable, as long as the approval criteria could be met. A reasonable sized clinical study probably costs upwards of $10 million. There simply isn't enough money to be made from the sales of Cascara Sagrada (and there are no patents to be issued for it) to justify the expense, so the requisite clinical trial isn't going to happen. Cascara Sagrada is no longer approved by the FDA as a laxative.

Food Supplements are a whole other kettle of fish, and basically Food supplements operate on the opposite set of assumptions. The FDA does not approve them, they only ban them if there is demonstrated evidence that they are unsafe.

So the real question you should be asking is why the National Cancer Institute of the National Institutes of Health hasn't done any research. They are the researchers, not the FDA.

In general the medical community isn't opposed to alternative treatments, the problem is in our society, if you use a treatment that doesn't have proven efficacy and safety (FDA approval), and the outcome is sub-optimal, you get sued and are likely to lose. So as long as you can show via well run clinical study that the alternative treatment is superior to placebo, you can probably get approval. Very few alternative therapies have been through double blind, peer reviewed, clinical studies. Given the lack of such clear evidence of effectiveness for most 'alternative' therapies, they are going to remain outside the mainstream.

Medicine has often been well behind the 8 ball on reality. The physician who suggested that many stomach ulcers were the result of a bacterial infection was almost laughed out of the profession. Fortunately for him, there were a few people who belived him, and did the clinical studies to establish that conventional wisdom was wrong, and appropriate antibiotic therapy really does cure most stomach ulcers. Once the evidence from peer reviewed, double blind clinical studies was clear, the FDA approved the treatment and the drugs.

I just want to give Suzane Sommers an enema! Ever since I saw her in that water ski poster.

After exhorting the membership to caution, I decided to try the coffee enema for a little personal research. DAMN! That was FUN, so I did another. I experienced no anxiety from caffeine and I did feel markedly better. That's no assurance that you will experience the same. Caution is always the better part of horny.

Maybe SA Wilson or Folger's would pay for the study on coffee Enemas. It could be good publicity for them, and increase sales to those who don't normally drink coffee. "The best part of waking up, is Folger's in your bag!".

Dan

I read a medical study done at Columbia Univ. Hosp. wherein they tried coffee enemas for pancreatic cancer patients awhile back. They had to discontinue the study due to patient drop outs. To make it a true medical study, all patients would have to have this cancer and some would get real coffee and others a liquid that looked like coffee but wasn't. Patients in the study were not willing to undergo the process to the point that the only data left would be anecdotal.

On another point, I have a lodge brother with pancreatic cancer, who turned yellow and was wasting away. His son, through on-line research, convinced him to go to a clinic in the northwest for just such therapy. I saw him a month later and he looked like a new man and had returned to work. The clinic told him he still had the cancer, but his liver was detoxed and he could return home for more chemotherapy. He has done this twice now (return trips to the clinic) and looks very good. This is only one case and his son had to do some real convincing to get him out there, as he disliked the multiple enemas intensely. On his second trip he got wheat grass enemas as well. He's still going strong and taking chemo. locally. It's been over 2 years now and his oncologists have determined that he can continue with the chemo. indefinitely. Apparently, the chemo. kills cancer cells but the liver gets overloaded with debris and toxins from the chemo. This is only one case, but I have seen the changes in him and he's still alive and working. I doubt it was placebo effect.

Jimmy, I just gave you another karmic bump. While I am not the biggest enema fan, most of your posts really contribute very interesting and medically accurate information. Information that we can all be smarter for reading.

So thank you my dear friend for your insight, knowledge, experience and for your willingness to participate and share what you know.

Mashie

From what I've read somewhere or another, coffee taken as an enema has a completely different effect than when drank. When drinking coffee, it is chemically altered through the digestive process, something which does not occur when taken as an enema. As an enema, it does not so much stimulate the nervous system, but, instead, has the effect of stimulating the liver and spleen to release the toxins they collect and store via the lymphatic system to the colon.

Regular use of coffee enemas are an effective means to counteract the harmful stuff in the multude of junk foods most of us eat over time.

As refreshing as a regular cleansing enema can be, this pleasant effect is felt more strongly following a coffee enema in my own experience. For a coffee enema to be most effective, it should follow a normal cleansing enema.

The reason coffe enemas are not generally recommended by doctors is because most people are too stupid to follow rules. Let me put it this way;

let's say the FDA and tge medical community make an official announcement that it is safe to take a coffee enema once every 2 weeks and a regular enema once a week. And for the sake of arguement, let's say that almost everyone in the US begins taking enemas. You know that there will be a lot of morons out there who will go to tge extreme and before you know it, the media starts publishing fatal enema incidents and law suits start flying.

Taking an Enema for the most part, is something you really need to do some research on or you can hurt yourself. I think that most of us who take them are intelligent, responsible people who have taken the time to learn the practice and seek the proper information to keep it safe. Not everyone is like this.

Long ago and far away, when I was passing through my rebellious mid-teens, like many kids I experimented with various ways of getting "high." Alcohol was hard to come by for a skinny fifteen year old, and I hated smoking and wasn't about to inhale any of that readily available smelly weed. But somewhere I had heard or read that a coffee enema can give you a buzz.

I was already an experienced klismo, so I tried it. After a quick cleanout, I stirred four big heaping spoonfuls of instant coffee into a mug of hot water, poured that into my very own recently purchased amber travel bag, and flowed that into myself. I retained it with the then recently-learned trick of following it up with a tampon.

In just a minute or two I could feel "something," and for just a few minutes I was thinking that I had discovered a really cool way to get high. But after twenty minutes I was so jittery and anxious it was clearly not fun any more. I got such a horrendous caffeine rush it was horrible. Oh, there was a buzz alright! I was grinding my teeth, my breathing was rapid, and my heartrate was like I had run a mile. Oohh, dumb move, Diane.

Even after I "pulled the plug" and let it out I still felt dizzy. A couple of clear enemas helped, and toned it down a bit, but it was still a very unpleasant afternoon.

And the worst part was the coffee left a permanant stain in my pretty amber bag!

Hugs,

Diane

I wonder if Decaf coffee would provide the same health benefits as non-decaf, but not leave you jittery? Anyone know?

[quote author=healthymale6446 link=topic=42835.msg339281#msg339281 date=1300381791]

I wonder if Decaf coffee would provide the same health benefits as non-decaf, but not leave you jittery? Anyone know?

[/quote]

NO. Not at all. No question about it.

It's the Caffeine that makes the coffee enema work.

No caffeine, no benefit. The "robusta' coffee beans sold for enemas has more caffeine than arabica that we drink.

Also, the DARKER the coffee roast, the LESS caffeine there is because the caffeine gets burned off in the roasting process.