Beyond our colons

Thanksgiving was fun, and like many of us I overate to the pain threshold.

Friday morning I noted with simple curiosity that my usual morning quickie flush-out yielded very little. By that evening I was concerned enough to be very sure I got water all the way through my colon, which I'm pretty skilled at doing. Results, nada.

My colon was empty, yet I felt very uncomfortable. I was constipated with an empty colon, all the “stuff” remaining above my ileo-caecal valve, up in my small intestine. All Saturday I continued to find my colon virtually empty, while I was feeling more and more like the stuffed turkey.

Finally, by Sunday morning I had had enough. I got hubby to help, and by lying on my right side in a reverse Sims position, we finally got the water up into my small intestine, and I finally got relief.

So often we talk about cleaning out or colons, but I find itis possible to get water above the ileo-caecal valve, and in this case it was that depth of penetration that brought the relief.

Does anyone else find they are able to get water up that high, or do I have a defective valve? 😮

Hugs,

Diane

I'm no doctor but I've done a good bit of research on medical/digestive health issues, and from what I understand it is virtually impossible to get water into the small intestine unless you really do have something wrong with your valve (otherwise they would probably be able to explore your small intestine also during a colonoscopy). I have also read that if a lot of excess water does get into the small intestine, that it can be EXTREMELY dangerous (remember, the large intestine absorbs most of the water, not the small intestine!), so be careful!!!

Anyway, how do you KNOW that the water actually went into the small intestine, and didn't just "stimulate" the valve to the point that it finally released? I would personally think that is most likely what really happened unless you have proof otherwise. Also, the best way to clean the ascending colon is the knee-chest position first and THEN lying on the right side after the enema is over before expelling, otherwise very little of the water would probably reach that far even lying on your right side (unless you use a 2'+ long colon tube). Keep in mind gravity plays a factor here...lying on your right side alone would cause the water to continually build up in your rectum, sigmoid, and descending colon, with only a little of the water possibly eventually overflowing into the transcending and ascending colon.

My husband and I have done this.

With slightly higher than normal pressure and a good bit of massaging, it is possible to get water past the ileoceacal valve. It generally isn't a good idea to do this, but if your large intestine is well cleaned out, this isn't so bad. It is not a good idea to force feces and colonic bacteria up into the small intestine. Your valve does NOT have to be defective to do this. Some water instilled into the small intestine will certainly be absorbed, the rest will later make its way back to the large intestine where some will be absorbed and some will be expelled.

Usually, there is a notable change in sensation as the ileocecal valve releases and water goes up the small intestine. You should do this very carefully and with a SLOW inflow of water. You feel completely full like you can't take any more, and then after massaging or pulsating the water, (squeezing the tube with your fist or using an in-line bulb to make pulsations--and you DON'T necessarily need to have more water flowing in) you feel a deep internal reduction of pressure and suddenly can take on more water. This is water going in the small intestine.

You need to know your body here and should absolutely stop and go expel without pushing hard if anything doesn't feel right.

Somehow, castor oil just doesn't sound like it would be as much fun!o

You really don't want to get water from the large intestine into the small intestine. That organ is not able to handle the bacteria from the bowel and could, (read probably will,) lead to a very serious infection.

Radiologists do what they call a small bowel enema with barium, but they put an NG tube down into the stomach, pass it through the duodenum and drain the barium into the small bowel, then do X-Rays. Going up through the south end is not a good idea and can be very painful.

",,,not as much fun" Susie, it's curious that there was not the slightest bit of arousal or sexiness or fun anywhere in this event. That very same behavior, him giving me a large enema on our bed, is commonly the centerpoint of our shared passions these days. But under these circumstances it was purely a homeopathic treatment seeking relief from discomfort, and neither of us saw it any other way.

I guess I'm not surprised to see "don't do it" responses about getting water past the ileo-caecal valve. For myself, getting water into my small intestine has been a decades-long part of my enema play.

When I take a "biggie" I first am sure I have my colon empty. I do recognize that empty and bacteria-free are not the same thing. Many positions will work, 'tho I find the reverse sims easiest. My colon holds just about two liters, and anything beyond that will overflow through the valve into my small bowel. Inevitably, returns that were previously clear now are once again rich with brown-stuff. It also has that chyme aroma, which is distinctive. I have absolutely no question that I am routinely getting water that far up.

I have not ever had a bacteria-related problem from it, nor have I ever barfed up enema water! Yes, sometimes it takes a little extra time to get all the water out from that high. The sensation of being water-full up there is quite wonder-ful!

Susie, since you admit to having this experience, will you tell us more?

Hugs,

Dianemmm

A little over 2 quarts fills my large if i want i can let it go past the valve into the small the valve is not a true one way valve so its easy to go past it another 2 qts fills my small they are right its a very distintive pleasurable feeling after 40 years and 23,000 gal i am never sick never taken a drug and many years younger looking than the rest of my age group around here the only drawback is i have so much hair i have to get it cut almost every month and not a single gray most of the guys around here are bald! does anyone else ever wonder why a large group of us has never been studied ?for all the bad things modern medical told us would happen if we cleaned our colon?

The few instances where I got water past the valve in my small intestine I was treated with intense nausea, chills and cramps. You may be confusing getting the solution up and around the bend to fill the entire ascending colon, which is no small trick.

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. . . . You may be confusing getting the solution up and around the bend to fill the entire ascending colon, which is no small trick.

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I don't think so. Getting the ascending colon filled is easy.

Hello Diane,

Thank you for your detailed explanation. Based on my experience with my girlfriend, the ability to fill the small intestine is certainly possible as you have described. I also agree that one must take several cleansing enemas to clean the large intestine before attempting to push water farther up into the small intestine. My girlfriend was very much into enemas before I met her, and when we starting going out together, it did not take long for her to reveal her likeness for enemas. She is only 5’, 5” tall and about 170 pounds with a slightly plump belly. I have given her enemas on several occasions, some of which I know have flowed into her small intestine. I start by using her 2-quart bag filled with warm water to clean out her colon. After a few of these enemas, she is easily able to take the two quarts. With two quarts in her belly, I can see a slight bulge and feel a slight firmness on each side of her belly above her hips. After her colon is cleaned out, I refill her 2-quart bag again and give her another enema. At this point, she takes the entire two quarts very easily and fairly quickly. Without expelling the two quarts, I refill her 2-quart bag again and proceed to give her another enema. The second bag begins to flow into her without much problem or complaint, but the inflow quickly slows down to a crawl. Her intention is to take the entire two quarts, which would make a total of four quarts. At this point, she massages her belly while I monitor the emptying of the bag. The bag slowly empties as she continues to gently massage her belly while making some groaning sounds, which I think are cute. Eventually, she takes the entire contents of the second bag, her belly now holding approximately four quarts of water. With the second bag empty, not only are the sides of her belly bulging, but now the center of her belly is noticeably swollen, which seems to indicate that part of her small intestine is now full of water. Seeing her belly button pushed out, and feeling the firmness of her otherwise soft belly directly beneath her belly button proves to me that she has partially filled her small intestine. She has done this several times since I have known her, and has done so without any ill effects. Since she does not know much about her body’s anatomy, she is completely unaware of what is going on when she takes these larger enemas. I have attempted to explain what is happening inside her, but she seems to have little interest in the details. She simply likes to be filled up as much as possible and cleaned out really well. And of course, I am always willing to be her assistant when the situation arises.

Rocketman, I don't think she has filled her small intestin but she has filled her large intestin to capacity.

most large intestins hold four quarts and some times a little more depending on the intestin.

not to burst your bubble but I really think you would know if she started on the small intestine, and if you do it might freak you out because the moaning might be come barf barf and a hole lot more

Bagbug, I can understand someone holding the opinion that getting water up into the small intestine is a dangerous thing to do. But I am confused by your post; it seems as though you are disbelieving me and others who have posted here that we actually routinely do just that.

A person may indeed cause themselves nausea if they drive feces or gas back upstream. But if the colon is properly emptied, and then water introduced into the small intestine through the colon, and that subsequently emptied, then a person ought to be able to play all day with water into and out of their "lower chamber and upper chamber" as it were. I can, anyway.

Very curious... I expected safety arguments, but not doubting of the feat itself.

Rockitman, your story was endearing, and filled with happy little klismo-visuals. Thank you for posting it. I have no doubt you have correctly identified where the water is going; it can be palpitated from external exam of her abdomen.

Hugs,

Diane

Hello azdiane,

The small intestine is a sterile cavity and is not built or equipped to deal with the bacteria from the bowel, (large intestine.) Under medical care in a hospital multiple large volume retention enemas with powerful antibacterials can only reduce, not eliminate the bacteria in the bowel.

If you did force fluid back into the small intestine you would be at risk for massive internal infections and a trip to a hospital for oral and IV antibiotics and heavy duty pain control. I do not believe that armatures should even be thinking of attempting such a dangerous procedure.

I do not look to discurage anybody but I really do beleive that you would have some problems with the small intestines if you disterb them.

I have seen those that have had to much given to them and they throw up and have problems when they recover.

I do know that 4 quarts will be taken into the large intestine as long as care is taken and it needs to be well watched that no force is done so no problems are experinced and I am just trying to help you understand so I will stand back and let you go sorry

Hello Bagbug,

I agree with you that we cannot stop people from doing dangerous or unhealthy things.

Four quarts is possible but certainly not as a first enema or for an inexperienced person. That much volume requires some careful use and self training.

Yhanks stephenS I do agree with you on all things you say I just hope people listen I really hope so!

Probly too late for this thread, but (although I don't seem to be able to do it myself), there is reliable reporting in the old med texts that enemas given under very high pressure (yes, they did that, but don't try it at home) will not only enter the small intestine, but actually invade the entire digestive system and come out the mouth. I will have to locate the reference if someone's interested, but I read it, and the purpose was to relieve an intussusception if I remember correctly. The patient was sedated, and placed on an exam table head down, and the enema was delivered forcefully into, and past, the colon.

So...I am fairly confident that all the "you can't do that's" are baloney, and it CAN be done. Should it? Well, it depends....

Doc.

GOOD LUCK TO THAT!

I can only speak from my own personal experience. First, I routinely do take four quarts as a first enema. Secondly, While preparing for a colonoscopy about five years ago, I first fasted for two days and took a 3H enema before starting the prep. My usual transit time for my digestive system is eighteen hours plus or minus two hours. Third, to ensure that my colon was clean, I took four home colonic irrigations of ten gallons each. Fourth, each irrigation left unexpelled water in my colon but after forty or more fills with chlorinated tap water the discharge was completely clear and I believe nearly free of bacteria. At that time I injected seven quarts of tap water and regurgitated anything and everything in my upper GI system. To use the vernacular, "not a pretty sight!" but my whole digestive system was clean after expelling whatever debris was left in my small intestine and colon. There is no question that water had passed through my illeocecal sphincter in the reverse direction and with no ill effects except for the oral discharge of the water that had filled my upper GI system from the bottom up.

I am going again at the end of this month, July 30, 2012, for another colonoscopy and again I shall repeat this proceedure. Also note that any time that I find that my ascending colon is very hard all of the way to the valve I can feel the water higher up than the valve.