The childhood ritual and routine

@luvmawater @SwitchableSusie again has a point... though I do think in the extreme case. If an enema will literally save a life from exploding bowels then yeah, but if there's no real reason then no...

I'm not opposing the necessity. If it is medically necessary, then do it; if not, then don't. I adamantly oppose giving enemas to kids when there's no sound medical reason for them and without a doctor's orders.

The thing that I'm really opposing to here is the comment, "enemas for health is baloney". Enemas are given for health and medical reasons far more than for "fun". That was the whole intent of my response. Maybe Switchablesusie's comment was for a more specific reason but that needs to be clarified. Otherwise it looks like it applies to everybody, which should not be the case.

Not trying to be argumentative here. Just clarifying.

There is a time and a place for enemas, but remember that with children you really can't get consent, so it is EXTREMELY important that you make sure anything you do is necessary, appropriate, and as minimally unpleasant/traumatic as possible. Also that you get as much cooperation as you can.

Unless there's a ongoing medical issue that has been discussed with a doctor regular enemas aren't appropriate. Once and a while for bad consipation, maybe. I know I like them even outside of the erotic/sensual aspects because they work well and fast.

I second that sometimes they are the best option, as another owner of wonky bowels.

@luvmawater, Very well said! I was thinking about the "Enemas For Health Is Baloney" comment. I was thinking an enema may not heal the sick but it will help the sick feel and function better. The medical problem remains but an enema can and will help a stricken person in need.

A few days ago I started a thread In the Med Fet but "Not Med Fet" Discussions area. My question was similar to this, "Any Member Have Information About "Carda Equina?" I was hoping someone could share information or any type of input with me. Why? We found out a few days ago my husband has this severe spinal stenosis problem. There are 22 nerves being crushed that has my husband in pain 24/7. The MRI and EMG indicate this is severe and needs attention immediately. My husband intercepted his own MRI and EMG and called the pain clinic at the VA hospital. He did not want to wait until July 31st. to see the Chief of Neurology. This was a problem for a few years but very quickly got worse or terrible. Now he's in agony from his L4-L5 area down to his toes. This includes his inability to have a bowel movement. The nerves are not working so he can't take a crap or not pee his pants. He wears Big Boy diapers now! I did not receive one remark so after a few days I removed the thread. I was hoping for some real doctor input. My real doctor took the bull by the balls and did his own work at helping himself!

I thank the member who answered my previous message request for help about bowel irrigation equipment. Instead of day after day, week after week and month after month of forcing large amounts of water into his body to actually flood his colon clear of stool he will have a machine to help him. And the VA will take care of the cost. He has total neuromuscular malfunction of his bowels. He could not even pass the balloon test! So instead of him doing this in the bath tub he will be able to sit on the toilet. Much less messy! My husband is a proud man and not a person to willfully ask for help in a situation like this. This problem however has broke him and he has finally asked for my help.

So, yes, enemas may not and will not cure something only surgery will cure, they certainly can help a stricken person feel better. Who would think something like this in our bodies would fail? I'm seeing first hand how to deal with it. I also wonder if all couples would help one another if stricken with a medical problem like we are having. I guess true love would answer that question? Shit Happens!

So, yes, enemas may not and will not cure something only surgery will cure, they certainly can help a stricken person feel better. Who would think something like this in our bodies would fail? I'm seeing first hand how to deal with it. I also wonder if all couples would help one another if stricken with a medical problem like we are having. I guess true love would answer that question? Shit Happens!

I can't speak for Susie but my take is that yes there are many instances when enemas are prescribed and necessary in a medical context. I certainly don't have a problem with that and I'm sure they do make your husband and others feel much better.

What she is referring to is the same thing that my Grandmother did with her kids in the 20's and 30's and that is to give them an enema every Saturday night whether they needed it or not. Being constipated and needing one is one thing, giving them one because you think they are good for them or gets your rocks off is something else. This site is littered with people including myself that got enemas for seemingly no reason as children and are now here dealing with their fetish. Giving your young kids enemas for no good reason is abuse and is creating the next generation of zity members. My Grandmother was poor and uneducated and barely spoke English. She really thought she was helping their health and didn't know any better. What's your excuse?

The ONLY thing enemas are good for (medically) is to relieve constipation or clear the bowel. They don't HEAL anything. If a parent is giving their child (children??) enemas on a regular basis it should be because a Doctors recommended/prescribed it - which I think would be for very rare and unusual diagnosis.

I am on the BALONEY side of this sandwich!

lumawater said

Maybe Switchablesusie's comment was for a more specific reason but that needs to be clarified. Otherwise it looks like it applies to everybody, which should not be the case.

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My comment was based on this and posts throughout the thread which I read from the beginning but it does not appear that you did. Here is what I originally responded to:

Beccarnmommy said

My stand is if more parents got back to it, as is happening to be the case, we'd have healthier kids. End of rant!

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water wet said

I could not agree more.

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SwitchableSusie said

Don't let your fetishes determine what you think is healthy or use them to decide what you do TO your children. All this "enema for health" stuff is a lot of baloney.

We like enemas. They can be a lot of fun. There is absolutely no evidence enemas make you healthier.

If you read the entire thread and the origins of what I initially quoted, you would not have made your initial comment.

Enemas for children--WHICH IS THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD--are totally unnecessary unless there is a specific medical reason.

Children do not need regular or even infrequent clean-outs and doing that to your children will NOT make them any healthier.

There are SPECIFIC reasons enemas may be helpful for SOME--FEW children. Enemas as SPECIFIC treatment modalities for specific medical conditions are OK.

Enemas once a week because the kids need to be cleaned out is patently ridiculous.

I say I would fall into the catagory of being one of those children who received enemas on a weekly basis. My Grandmother my Mother's Mother had colon cancer when I was a little girl and had to have her colon removed and a colonostmy preformed. So between my Grandmother and Mother's beliefs that if she kept her children's colon's clean we would'nt develope cancer. So this kind of imprinted on me.

I say I would fall into the catagory of being one of those children who received enemas on a weekly basis. My Grandmother my Mother's Mother had colon cancer when I was a little girl and had to have her colon removed and a colonostmy preformed. So between my Grandmother and Mother's beliefs that if she kept her children's colon's clean we would'nt develope cancer. So this kind of imprinted on me.

That is unsubstantiated, anecdotal, uncontrolled witch doctor folklore that isn't even an experiment.

My enemas always began with the phrase " do you need to go to the bathroom? " At which point it didn't matter how I answered...I knew i was about to get either an enema or a very cold glycerin suppository. Suddenly i would be taken by the hand and led into the bathroom. My aunt would shoo me into the room and close the door behind her...she always locked the door. It was then pants off, underwear down and made to sit on the toilet. "You need to try to go number 2" she would always say as she was either filling the sink with warm water, or as she was removing the suppositories from the apron.

FWIW when I mentioned "consent" I was not meaning sexual consent. You need to have consent when doing anything to someone else except in certain limited situations. Yes, that includes giving an enema if someone is really constipated in almost every case.

"So between my Grandmother and Mother's beliefs that if she kept her children's colon's clean we would'nt develope cancer. So this kind of imprinted on me."

That is unsubstantiated, anecdotal, uncontrolled witch doctor folklore that isn't even an experiment.

@SwitchableSusie

How do you really feel about that particular cancer prevention method?? Please, don't hold back. 😃

@SwitchableSusie

How do you really feel about that particular cancer prevention method?? Please, don't hold back. 😃

People are better off eating a balanced diet composed of quality foods than anything else. The colon is supposed to be shit filled [pardon my French] and contain a wide variety of bacteria to aid digestion of foods and absorb vitamins and other compounds. Being all cleaned out actually makes it easier for pathologic bacteria to set up shop because they dont have other bacteria with which to compete.

I have heard of people that had an antibiotic regimen and it affected the bacteria in their colon and not in a good way. I think the cells in the walls of the colon slough off quickly too,so cleaning out built up sludge is also a wives tale.

cleaning out built up sludge is also a wives tale.

That is totally true. The cells lining the colon are shed and replaced every three days, so if they weren't eliminated regularly, we would fill up with dead colon cells VERY quickly. "Mucoid plaques" that colon irrigationists talk about doesn't even exist.

https://www.livescience.com/48528-colon-cleansing-myths-busted.html

When my wife was hospitalized for an extended period, she got a bad infection. I believe they used vancomycin to treat the infection - which also killed off the bacteria in her colon. As her natural intestinal flora recovered, Clostridium Difficile (C. Diff) took the high ground and kept the other bacteria from regenerating. She couldn't get back to her natural balance of bacteria. Nasty diarrhea! Treatment was to kill everything off again with the Vanco and HOPE the natural flora would re-establish. I think she went through 3 rounds of vancomycin before her flora balanced out. Hospitals are VERY careful around C-Diff patients because it is easily transferred and other patients with suppressed immune systems are very susceptible to having it take over in their intestines. We had to wear gowns and caps whenever we entered her room.

When my wife was hospitalized for an extended period, she got a bad infection. I believe they used vancomycin to treat the infection - which also killed off the bacteria in her colon. As her natural intestinal flora recovered, Clostridium Difficile (C. Diff) took the high ground and kept the other bacteria from regenerating. . . . .

This is the usual case where fecal transplants are very effective treatment.

This is the usual case where fecal transplants are very effective treatment.

I've heard about fecal implants - where do they find the donors?? 😉

Don't let your fetishes determine what you think is healthy or use them to decide what you do TO your children. All this "enema for health" stuff is a lot of baloney.

We like enemas. They can be a lot of fun. There is absolutely no evidence enemas make you healthier.

I totally agree with this, but enemas also make you feel better. That doesn't mean they are good for you. I feel that people, including kids, can be cranky, and not make a connection as to things that are bothering them, including the digestive system. A person with bloating or gas, or a slow moving colon always feels better after a few good enemas. Did it make you healthier? NO, but you feel better.

I've heard about fecal implants - where do they find the donors?? 😉

They can be a spouse, SO or family member. Also, google "fecal transplant donor". Yes, google exactly that. You will get a lot if information and find other links for more information.

The donated stool is tested for pathogens. You don't get just anybody's shit.

Fecal transplants cure C diff more than 85% of the time on the first try.

They can be a spouse, SO or family member.

The donated stool is tested for pathogens. You don't get just anybody's shit.

I thought a fecal implant would be some culture made in a lab. I had no idea.... did the google search. If asked, I would have donated for my wife. C-Diff is awful.

I thought a fecal implant would be some culture made in a lab. I had no idea.... did the google search. If asked, I would have donated for my wife. C-Diff is awful.

I'm thinking you might need to get a better doctor or hospital. I think that has been a pretty common treatment for awhile. I'm sorry your wife had to go through all that needlessly.

I'm thinking you might need to get a better doctor or hospital. I think that has been a pretty common treatment for awhile. I'm sorry your wife had to go through all that needlessly.

That was 14 years ago. My wife had just been discharged to an "acute care' hospital after 45 days in ICU. She got the bug in the acute care hospital - they only have one doc who probably wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. He also sent her out for an MRI (without my knowledge) that ended up resetting her Delta Strata magnetic CSF shunt. Ended up back in ER with excessive CSF pressure.

Yeah - needed a better doc but didn't have a lot of choices. The ICU doc was amazing!!!

An N.P. told me that fecal implants are now much more common since the widespread use of Flagyl and Vancomycin for C. Diff has been developing resistant strains of the pathogen. Happy to hear that they are 85% effective since I've had several bouts of C. Diff after my colon radiation and surgery.

My mother would not say much before. I would hear the linen closet door opening and next water running in the tub. The rubber pad went on the bed in the spare bedroom. Then she would tell me that she thought I needed an enema. Usually mid morning after everybody else was gone.

I had never really thought about it before but thinking now about my first recognition of an enema is interesting. My cousin must have been about twelve. I was at most seven. He must have told him mother earlier in the day that he didn't feel well. At any rate, in the afternoon she told him he needed to give himself an enema. There was no protesting. He headed into the house and up to the large bathroom. I don't remember whether he retrieved the bag and willed it, but he certainly seemed to know what he had to do. He seemed to know exactly what he needed to do and he did it. I have often wondered how often he was told to give himself an enama and whether he merely tolerated them because they cured"what ailed him"or whether he had learned to enjoy them.

I grew up in the late 50[s and early 60's and got them on occasion from my mother

Miker in Post #45 above wrote: "Mom would always first give me an oral laxative such as Children's Castoria, Grandma's favorite - Milk of Magnesia, or something called Black something."

That "Black something" was Black-Draught syrup, which had been around since the late 1800s according to Wikipedia. I remember seeing bottles of it on the shelves in drugstores back when I was a kid in the 1950s.

I had a few doses of Fletcher's Castoria when I was a kid. Unfortunately my mother only ever gave me one enema back when I was about 5 years old, But that one enema was enough to flip my enema switch to permanently on, even at age 5. I wish she had been into giving me soapsuds enemas on a regular basis every week, or month or even just several times a year. But it was Milk of Magnesia or for a quick acting one, Sal-Hepatica, a very salty tasting saline laxative powder you mixed in water.

Good old Sal Hepatica. Yes it was carcinogenic but who cares as long as it was good for you?

Unfortunately my mother only ever gave me one enema back when I was about 5 years old, But that one enema was enough to flip my enema switch to permanently on, even at age 5. I wish she had been into giving me soapsuds enemas on a regular basis every week, or month or even just several times a year.

It didn't take much to imprint you for life if you got stimulated anally at that age. Worked for me and many others here.