Colonic Machines or Gravity Devices

HI

I am new here. In finding a colonics place should I look for one that uses a fancy machine or is simple gravity like a enema ok?

Thanks

Dave

Mrdc, about the only thing you are going to find these days is the sealed system. It would be nice if they would give you multiple enemas with deep insertions wouldn't it.

There are a lot of open systems also. They are becoming more popular with the proprietors since they do not require a therapist to be standing by and it allows them to have more clients at a time that don't need bedside accompaniment. That means more profits for them.

Here's the link to a few pages about a home colonic irrigation machine I built many years ago.

I've made improvements since then, but haven't posted the updates.

http://www.hometown.aol.com/RADDIL/

Bob

Shanee:

Find a highly qualified Therapist. I found one once that used a large5 or 10 gallon bottled water like container, she had a warm water metal faucet high above the container and would fill and refill the container abot 3-4 times. Inserted was a real metal colonic speculum, that attached to the large like enema hose and a drain hose to the other end of speculum. I found this to be enjoyable as long as they know what they are doing.

If they fill you too much it will hurt, a colonic or good high enema should never cause pain. That was an interesting experience with the gravity feed. A long time ago in a far galaxy, I did have the machine done, I was not keen on how that felt and maybe she didn't know what was doing then. I like those 6 qt bags they have out, you can get a Number 40 FR colon tube hang the bag high on the shower hook, and hang another bag of choice, with a "Y" connector and fill yourself, then expell while the tube is in you. I've done this many times also, and works well. Just some ideas.

Write me at mikecmmt@yahoo.com I can tell you some more things that are good to try.

Over the past few years I found a couple of colonic hydrotherapists who would give regular enemas. Both of these ladies used machines, one open system, one closed system, but they also gave herbal enemas. I explained that I preferred to have regular enemas versus the colonic irrigation using the machines, and they both agreed to do that. They would administer a series of three enemas using the 1500cc disposable enema bags, which worked very well in my case. For those that would prefer more traditional enemas, look for someone who does coffee enemas, herbal enemas, etc.

Anyone living in the Baltimore/Washington/Annapolis area should check out colonicsforhealth.com. I have been using this lady for more tha a year and I am completely satisfied with her services. I can reccomend her to anyone wanting to try a closed system colonic, she explains the process well and is a caring administerer.

Well, I have had two gravity colonics and was disappointed in it. I've never had a machine colonic. I was expecting to have some kind of rush of water with the gravity colonic but I didn't feel anything -- not a cramp, not a full feeling whatsoever. Really, I believe that most of the 15 gallons went out of the exhaust tube and not into my body.

There are 2 types of comercial colon therapy machines. One is the “Open” machine. It is a couch like unit where you lie on your back with your buttochs against a large drain. There is a nozzle like tube that you insert into your rectum. You slide your butt up tight against the large drain. You cover yourself and the attendent comes in and starts the water.

The machine automatically adjusts the temperature and you hold in the water as long as comfortable, then you expel it into the drain. The machine keeps the water flowing and you keep filling and expelling for about 45 minutes, then you are through.

Usually the attendant is only in the room with you for the start of the water flow. You can call her/him by pushing the call buttom. When through you get off the table and check out. You may want to make a toilet stop before leaving.

The closed system requires a therapist. The machine is hooked up to the plumbing and controls the water pressure and temperature.

You lie on a table and the therapist inserts a speculum into your rectum. The speculum is a tube of about 3/4 imches in diameter and has a water inlet on a side, the drain hose is connected to the speculum and the colonic is begun. The therapist slowly fills you until she sees pressure. She releases and the water and fecal matter are expelled through the speculum and drain hose. The filling and releases are done for about 45 minutes or as you or your therapist determines how your colon is reacting to the treatment.

I personally prefer the closed system as I find it a much more comfortable procedure I have my own professional home colon therapy equipment and use it at least once a week.

I have been doing enemas and colonics for about 70 years, and the last time I had a proctoscope exam the doctor told me that I had a colon of a 20 year old. He knows that I do colonics and he will recommend them to his patients if asked.

Gravity, and a caring administrator are far superior to any machine!

I really prefer gravity, but my therapist uses an electrically driven pump. For some reason the gravity, despite the fact that it's often higher pressure, doesn't seem to cause as much distress. Don't understand that, except that the pressure available is from a column of water, not a pump.

Doc.

Prefer the gravity, doesnt feel like a machine is trying to force water into you.

I see cautions about to much water with enemas w.r.t. electrolyte imbalance, but never for hydrotherapy? If more water is used, why wouldn't it be a bigger problem??

Amazing home made machine on Bob's link!

The open system is where the effluent tube or pipe is directly connected to the sewer but not to the speculum. The speculum is small in diameter, about the same as on an infant bulb syringe. No shut off valve is used between the small speculum and the sewer. The recipient of the colonic expels directly into the sewer with the effluent passing on the outside of the speculum. Thereby there is no effluent tube attached to the speculum. An example is the "Colenema" board for home colonics. The water delivery to the speculum can be either from the plumbing system or from an elevated tank. The closed system does have a valve in the effluent line.

When it is closed, it permits a complete high colonic fill. The speculum now used is larger than the closed one, about .75 to 1.0 inches O.D. It accepts two hoses, one for the influent water inlet and one for the effluent waste water. In a professional setting, a machine is used by a practicioner who regulates the temperature, flow rate and turns the flow on and off. An advantage with the closed system machine is that the effluent flows through a lighted tube in the machine where it can be viewed by both the practicioner and the client. Another advantage in the professional setting is that the practicioner will usually massage the client's filled colon to breaks up gas bubbles and fecal masses. Simply put, the open system has no effluent tube with a valve attached. The closed system routes the waste water through a valve into the sewer through a delivery tube. The open system is usually delivered only by a machine. The closed system can use either an elevated tank and be driven by gravity. However, the colonic machines are very popular.

I have had the gravity type and enjoyed it very much. I did have someone with me at all times

Gravity or closed-system get my vote. Both require a person to administer and are very effective and from my experience, very effective.

The open system (Libbe) is more like an enema giving machine without the fun. I have had a few, I think you are better off with an enema series, both more effective and less expensive.

Gravity by far. Some things require a human touch!

I have lost any infatuation that I ever held for colonics. The primary reason I have participated is for erotic purposes. The clinics are with rare exception, for holistic pursuits. In this area the open style units have replaced the closed systems. These facilities are licensed and are probably watched.

There is very little rectal sensation from the action of the open unit even if one clamps their anus and allows some pressure to build. It would be fun to have one's nipples teased while experiencing the closed system, this is my opinion and may not be everyone's cup of tea. For the guys I find a skilled prostate massage to be far superior to the machine colonic. The old fashioned bag and french tube is completely different experience and can drive a very intense stimulus to the male ejaculatory reflex. In the hands of a skilled provider, this can be an erotic enema to remember. I think there are some posts where some of our ladies have described their experiences with the "high colonic." Enjoy, Octane

The open machines I have seen on-line look so relaxing if you enjoy being left alone.

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I see cautions about to much water with enemas w.r.t. electrolyte imbalance, but never for hydrotherapy? If more water is used, why wouldn't it be a bigger problem??

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You would think so, but it isn't.

The fact is, it is hardly a problem at all. Getting an electrolyte imbalance from enemas is really hard to do.

So called electrolyte problems people get while playing with enemas are extremely rare and very easily remediable.

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The open machines I have seen on-line look so relaxing if you enjoy being left alone.

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Having had about 10 open and 50 closed system colonics, I will say the closed systems are MUCH more relaxing because you don't have to push out at all to expel any waste. The actual sensation of elimination is more of the waste being effortlessly sucked out of you.

Thank you for your input. I am happy to hear from an experienced user.

I too have had colonics with the gravity and the machine. Both have their good qualities, what I do not particularly like is the LIBBE system where you sit in a type of chair.

Over the years there have been a variety of colonic irrigation "machines." Some are pretty interesting and some are downright scary!

My first encounter was with a Coombs machine.... it seems like the only thing missing was the traveling spark gap from science fiction movies! A huge wall mounted device with a roll around cart with the viewing tube. This machine in particular is/was a health risk. While the nozzles may have been cleaned, the tubing and the viewing tube could be a real source of contamination.

In the 1980's I visited a therapist in Hamtramck, MI near Detroit. I had been there several times, and on one occasion I could get a fill but no release, and after some investigation the therapist realized the outflow tube was plugged from the previous client. While the therapist messed with the tube I went to the toilet to release. I was NOT happy! Her suggestion when I got back was a series of enemas, and since she used E-Z-EM disposable bags that was agreeable. From that time on I never had another colonic there, but returned many times for a series of enemas.

That clinic was also interesting, on your first you were given a barium enema x-ray, just one shot, so the chiropractor that owned the clinic could recommend a "treatment."

I've experienced 3 Coombs machines in Los Angeles, Detroit and Pittsburgh. I wonder it there are any still out there?

Also from that period was the Dierker Machine, I bought one on eBay a few years ago, they are unique in that they have negative pressure (slight vacuum) on release, and make a lot of noise! I've equipped the one I have for disposables and replaced the manometer tubes that contained mercury with gauges. Last one I saw was in a therapists office was in Dallas about 30 years ago, same question, any still out there?

Now most of the closed machines are of a similar design, with temperature controls, pressure gauges and viewing tubes... and disposables.

Some of the more interesting machines are the gravity feeds, my first colonic with one of those was in Boston, which was a big stainless steel tank on the wall, some large diameter tubing connected to valves and a nozzle. The only downside was the viewing tube, only the therapist could see it. With no pressure gauge the therapist would be estimating how much water you had taken, and if you hadn't taken enough in her opinion, you got a lot of encouragement to take more. I've only had this happen one or twice, but on one visit I just couldn't take much water. So the therapist suggested I get off the machine for a series of enemas!

Same problem, so a colon tube was suggested, and after a couple of tries and at last a very deep insertion things unlocked. OK, from then on I alternated sessions with colonics and enemas, and opted for a lot more enemas.

Its all down to the therapist - Woods gravity, machine even open. Its not what you do, its who you do it with!

I've had multiple gravity “open” system experiences and just one “closed” machine experience. I've enjoyed both. I've done enema add ons with the gravity ones, which is nice. One of those involved getting a coffee enema after the colonic with a disposable enema bag (person brought it in on like an IV hanger but insertion was left to me. The other experience was I kept the colonic nozzle in and she had the flow come from a different part of the machine which had the coffee enema solution.

I probably preferred the closed system experience. I felt I got cleaned out a lot better, and I enjoyed the therapist's demeanor (it was like a meditative counseling session). The water going in and going out did feel a little weird at times.

I would stay away from the home brew Woods type gravity systems for possible cross-contamination issues. I've seen soiled water flow backwards from the recipient into the water tank.

My preference is the gravity device. More than once I had the treatment like an enema, on my stomach or knee-chest. A tube from the tank w/ clamp was inserted and I took what I could and held It for as long as I could, then went to the bathroom to release. I also had it done for retention enemas where an inflatable nozzle was used.

Closed system colonic machine every time. In all of my cases that machine included a fluorescent-backlit clear viewing tube on the front letting the effluent be seen. I rarely paid attention to it, but it was a prominent feature.

Eric