Too much, too far?

I like e-stim and significantly large enemas. As of this posting I've taken 2-3 liters of warm water and 750ml of wine. Plugged up with no leaks and watching my fav porn. I have 6-channels of e-stim connected including 3 electrodes up my cock (urethral) so it's quite a ride!

Because of the nice bottle of 13% cab sav I've injected up my ass, I'm a bit buzzed - as you can imagine! Don't get worried, I'm quite experienced with this kind of play...

So, too far? I'd consider this to be somewhat normal for an "edgy" session.

Thoughts? Be nice. I don't need a bunch of, 'alcohol is dangerous" messages... Been doing this for years so your opinion isn't really relevant... Yeah I know there is risk, etc. But so what? Life is what it is...

I'm more interested in your experiences. What did you do that was, "too much - or too far?" I have some stories and thoughts on this but I'd like to hear yours.

Thoughts? Be nice. I don't need a bunch of, 'alcohol is dangerous" messages... Been doing this for years so your opinion isn't really relevant... Yeah I know there is risk, etc. But so what? Life is what it is...

Great attitude!! Thanks for amplifying on this! There was a discussion on the news last night about what "risky" thing would you do if you knew you couldn't get hurt - e.g. the risk was removed. My reaction was - if there's no risk, then why do it? Of course, you should do everything you can to mitigatge risk, just don't eliminate the thrill. "At some point, safety is just pure waste, if you just want to be safe, don’t get out of bed. Don’t get in your car. Don’t do anything!" (quote from the CEO of OpenGate).

Sexually, I don't think I've ever gone too far or done too much. but I've always percieved serious BDSM players pushing the envelop. When I was younger, I was always challenging myself with physical acts. Cliff diving, carrier landings, a couple of parachute jumps, rock climbing etc. In many cases there were times when it was more than a bit dicey - but that's what it was all about. Now as I am creeping up in age, I still push myself in the gym but to a much lessor extent - it takes longer to heal now!!

Keep exploring @explorotica !!!!

So, too far? I'd consider this to be somewhat normal for an "edgy" session.

Thoughts? Be nice. I don't need a bunch of, 'alcohol is dangerous" messages... Been doing this for years so your opinion isn't really relevant... Yeah I know there is risk, etc. But so what? Life is what it is...

I'm more interested in your experiences. What did you do that was, "too much - or too far?" I have some stories and thoughts on this but I'd like to hear yours.

i have so many thoughts on this, but i cannot write them all, i think writing them all here would be "too far." So, i'll try to limit myself ('god' help me).

A few thoughts on butt chugging. Three positives of anal over oral for alcohol one might argue are:

1). Saves money taking much less to get the same effect.

2). Takes less because it bypasses the liver and the metabolic effect that the liver has on alcohol, which is bad for the liver, so in that respect it may be a better (if not 'good') way to imbibe?

3). There is a carcinogen/metabolite (acetaldehyde) produced by the liver when taken orally, there might be a benefit bypassing the liver? (idk, speculating).

Bottom line (so to speak) for me is i agree with Rigel. One can eat healthy, live in a bubble, take all sorts of precautions and die healthy and miserable. A person who dies healthy is just as dead as one who dies sick and with a worn out body. Health is about a lot more than physical health. i think it comes down to individual choice.

As a critical care nurse, i am daily reminded that the number one killer in the west is not butt chugging, gerbils stuck in the colon, sex, STD's, BDSM... just to mention a few popular moralist whipping boys. The top killers are all diet caused/related.

Like You, others might judge many things i have done in life as too much or too far, but i don't perceive those things that way.

i think many social standards are "too much" and go "too far."

Like others, risks are part of what makes life enjoyable. Now, moving on (and maybe a bit back to the subject)...I have one question. Why a cab? My go to butt wine is Cheap White (a Thursday vintage is good,,,,). The one thing that doesn't seem to matter with wine is taste...WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING IT UP YOUR BUTT!!??!! The biggest advantages of Cheap White as a butt wine are: 1) Cost and 2) In case of a blowout you don't ruin the sheets!!! LESS RISK!!!!! Guess that's the exception that proves the rule.

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2). Takes less because it bypasses the liver and the metabolic effect that the liver has on alcohol, which is bad for the liver, so in that respect it may be a better (if not 'good') way to imbibe?

3). There is a carcinogen/metabolite (acetaldehyde) produced by the liver when taken orally, there might be a benefit bypassing the liver? (idk, speculating).

As someone with a health background please explain why the difference here? Not having medical training I had always assumed that the liver worked on the blood, and thus anything entering the bloodstream that was metabolized via hepatic routes would still hit the liver no matter how it entered the blood, maybe slightly later but still get there.

As someone with a health background please explain why the difference here? Not having medical training I had always assumed that the liver worked on the blood, and thus anything entering the bloodstream that was metabolized via hepatic routes would still hit the liver no matter how it entered the blood, maybe slightly later but still get there.

i'm a physiology nerd, and the more i learn, the more i realize how little we know. i see the body as an infinite universe. i remember how science thought we'd discovered the smallest thing (the atom, protons, neutrons, etc.) and then discovered things like quarks and gluons. There always seems to be something beyond what we see. Most good scientific studies seem to read: "this is what it looks like, but more studies are needed." i always feel safest with studies that acknowledge our ignorance because that says: "open mind" to me. Absolutists and absolutism leads to people flying jets into skyscrapers and such.

Sorry, long preface. i do not have a complete answer to "why the difference." But i can point out some of the difference. The process of digestion and metabolization starts at the mouth and ends at the end. The large (colon) and small intestine are ~27 feet long, the small about 23 feet and the colon about 4 feet. The portal vein is getting blood from the stomach, duodenum, pancreas, spleen, small and large intestines through other vasculature (very involved), the point i'm making here is when we drink alcohol the change/metabolization process starts in the stomach and on down the line, so what the liver gets from the stomach, small intestine is different from what it gets from the large intestine.

It would be more accurate to say what the liver gets from the colon (via the mouth) is different, more broken down than what it gets from the stomach and small intestine. i did a quick search, and i can find no studies comparing the differences between the alcohol the liver gets from the small intestine and stomach vs the colon. We do know that when alcohol is taken orally, by the time it hits the liver the liver turns it to acetaldehyde. But i cannot find any studies of what the liver gets when alcohol is absorbed through the colon with out being first changed by the stomach, pancreatic enzymes, small intestine, duodenum. So i say "idk, speculating." We do know that one gets drunker faster when taking alcohol from an enema, and it takes less. But i'd venture to say we know a lot less about the process than we know. i know that acetaldehyde is made in the liver, i don't know if the form alcohol takes when it gets to the liver from the mouth is similar enough to provide the building blocks to make acetaldehyde when it gets there from the colon.

lol... complicated stuff, and is so much we have not even studied, so "idk speculating."