Permission to use corporal punishment of a student

I went to Catholic school in the 60s the nuns were given permission by my parents to discipline us for any misbehavior or not doing homework it was given in the coat room with a pointer (cane like instrument ) or board of education(wooden paddle) no more than 10 strokes were administrated then when you got home you got more from your parents in my home it was done by my dad with his strap and it was done on the bare ass it was usually 25 or more

I went to Catholic school from first grade through 12th. I did have a few friends that were expelled for things like smoking but I can only remember one instance in that time where a nun took someone out for a paddling. I've found that since though I do so like to turn a bottom a nice shade of red. Always start with the hand then after a nice glow then use an implement. It makes it easier to take for some reason. Anyway "Assume the position!"

I don't have to fantacize about my Christian schooling (ages 4-17) being very strict when rules were broken and/or expectations were not achieved.

Don't get me wrong... my schools (pre-school, kindergarten, primary, elementary, junior high, and high school) and teachers were excellent. The teachers and staff clearly loved the kids and school was always a LOT of FUN, and academically challenging in FUN ways. The school was very serious about helping each child identify his/her personal mix of interests/gifts/talents and ALWAYS provided an abundance of ENCOURAGEMENT and positive reinforcement. The teachers did not have unreasonable expectations. For example, a child who was not as gifted in math/science was NOT expected to achieve beyond his/her potential in these subjects. Every child, however, was absolutely expected to achieve within his/her potential. The school did its part to make learning fun/enjoyable, and the students were EXPECTED to do their part. Laziness was not tolerated. And, Disobedience, Disrespect, and Dishonesty (the THREE D's) were absolutely not tolerated.

Sending children to these private Christian schools was only possible if the parents agreed with the schools' policies and procedures, including the traditional corporal punishment of naughty boys and girls. There was no such thing as "opting out" of strict discipline! If it was determined that a student deserved a spanking, there were only two (2) options... 1> the student could accept the spanking, and a note would be sent home AFTER the punishment had already been administered... or 2> the student could "appeal" the spanking. If a spanking was appealed, a parent would be contacted BEFORE the punishment and provided the opportunity to either give approval or denial for the appeal to move forward. If the parent denied the appeal, the punishment was administered immediately, with EXTRA swats if the parent felt/agreed that the "appeal" was silly/frivolous. If the parent approved the appeal to move forward, a meeting would be scheduled with the teacher, the principal, the student, and the parent to discuss the matter, and a final determination to be made by the principal (if the parent did not agree with the principal, there was an option to further appeal to the schools' board of directors -- all parents of currently enrolled students). In practice, discipline was never (very very very rarely) appealed, because the school staff members were held to high standards of fairness when it came to administering discipline. I cannot think of a single time that I was unfairly disciplined. I had ALWAYS misbehaved when I was punished (I was never punished for something that I did not do), and the punishment that I received was always fair (not too lenient and not too strict) based upon the circumstances.

Spankings were certainly NOT the only (and usually not the first) type of discipline administered. But, when spankings were administered, they were always given on students' bare bottoms with appropriate implements. In pre-school and kindergarten (4-5.y.o.), naughty boys/girls were put over their teachers' laps (pants & underpants down, or skirt up & panties down) and given swats with a 12-inch school ruler, in front of the class. In the primary grades (6-8.y.o.), the naughty boys/girls were taken into the class coat room (out of view from classmates, but within earshot), where their bare bottoms were similarly spanked OTK with either the 12-inch school ruler or the 18-inch "primary paddle". In the elementary grades (9-11.y.o.), naughty boys/girls were taken into the class coat room, where their bare bottoms were either paddled with the "elementary paddle" or whipped with the "elementary strap", usually bending over the back of a spanking chair with palms flat on the seat of the chair. In the junior high school grades (12-13.y.o.), the naughty boys/girls were paddled or strapped inside their PE locker room by either the boys' or girls' PE coaches respectively, using the "junior paddle" or the "junior strap". Locker room discipline was administered immediately after showering, before even receiving a towel, with the students' wet nude bodies (naughty tween/teen boys' penises often standing at attention as they accepted their punishments) bent over old decommissioned vaulting horses for all their PE classmates to watch (and hopefully learn). In the high school grades (14-17.y.o.), the same locker room discipline was administered, using the "senior paddle" and/or the "senior strap" (the senior straps were old razor strops that severely tanned the bare bottoms of naughty teenagers if necessary -- bringing even 17.y.o. boys and girls to tears and repentance).

I don't have to fantacize about my Christian schooling (ages 4-17) being very strict when rules were broken and/or expectations were not achieved.

Don't get me wrong... my schools (pre-school, kindergarten, primary, elementary, junior high, and high school) and teachers were excellent. The teachers and staff clearly loved the kids and school was always a LOT of FUN, and academically challenging. The school was very serious about helping each child identify his/her personal mix of interests/gifts/talents. The teachers did not have unreasonable expectations. For example, a child who was not as gifted in math/science was NOT expected to achieve beyond his/her potential in these subjects. Every child, however, was expected to achieve within his/her potential. The school did its part to make learning fun/enjoyable, and the students were expected to do their part. Laziness was not tolerated. And, Disobedience, Disrespect, and Dishonesty (the THREE D's) were absolutely not tolerated.

You are describing the Jesuit High School I went to to a tee. In fact, if you under-achieved to their standards, they never hesitated to tell you you would be 'happier' elsewhere. So, I would say they were even stricter.

However, they achieved this level of academic and behavioral achievement without ever resorting to physical punishments. No spanking, swatting, hitting or any physical punishments at all. None, nada, nichts, rien de patat.

They did however hand out detentions and (long) writing/essay assignments like Tictacs. An afternoon of writing a 32 page essay by hand seemed to be just the thing to correct any lack of proper behavior. Not only was the writing itself a heavy chore, the essays had to make sense too. None of that writing 'I am a bad pupil' 100 times. That would have been cheating on the punishments according to the school.

About the only part in your description above that was different was my school making learning 'fun/enjoyable'. There was little of that. It was a 6 year long dreary bore.

But it was all done without resorting to physical punishments.

I am ok with a certain degree of corporal punishment and it was common when I was a kid. But there is a memory that bothers me:

The rooms where corporal punishment was done at my school were in a semi-basement area and a hallway from there went out to the loading dock. One day - it was nearly summer so windows were open - I was in English class and we all heard commotion from down in that area. A kid who was apparently to get a strapping had bolted and run out the loading dock door. He went by, right under our window and we could hear him yelling "I'm not gonna let you hit me." He was screaming, like totally enraged. Two or three of the school's security officers, big intimidating guys, were coming after him, telling him to "get back in here" "you're just making it worse on yourself." The kid was like "no, you're gonna hit me." and they responded "yeah, we're gonna hit you, Scott. Don't make it worse." So, they suddenly ran after him and he shot off into traffic and very nearly got hit by a car. Loud screeching tires. Our teacher screamed.

Whatever he had done to get his beating (and that kid was a dickhead and a bully), I don't think it was worth chasing him into traffic and nearly getting him killed. Once they saw he was completely coming unhinged, they needed to approach it differently and talk him through it. The incident changed the process of corporal punishment there, but they still did the same punishment.

Sounds great and i often think about being disciplined in front of a class of students, either my own regular classmates or sometimes taken to a younger class so they see what happens to older pupils when they cross the line

I usually get the strap, the teacher administering the punishment positions me so i'm facing the class and i'm immediately bright red with embarassment but then i also have to try to not start to cry from the blistering pain of the strap on my poor hands xxx

I am ok with a certain degree of corporal punishment and it was common when I was a kid. But there is a memory that bothers me:

The rooms where corporal punishment was done at my school were in a semi-basement area and a hallway from there went out to the loading dock. One day - it was nearly summer so windows were open - I was in English class and we all heard commotion from down in that area. A kid who was apparently to get a strapping had bolted and run out the loading dock door. He went by, right under our window and we could hear him yelling "I'm not gonna let you hit me." He was screaming, like totally enraged. Two or three of the school's security officers, big intimidating guys, were coming after him, telling him to "get back in here" "you're just making it worse on yourself." The kid was like "no, you're gonna hit me." and they responded "yeah, we're gonna hit you, Scott. Don't make it worse." So, they suddenly ran after him and he shot off into traffic and very nearly got hit by a car. Loud screeching tires. Our teacher screamed.

I very much have a spanking fetish and always have. I love the idea of role playing. My favorite videos are the realistic style spanking videos. That being said I’m totally against that those role playing scenarios being anyone’s reality.

Spanking was used in the schools i attended kindergarten through 8th grade. If the teacher was to do it you were kept after school and it was done in the empty classroom with the door locked. You were made to undress to your underwear, they were pulled down for the spanking. There was also the principals office where spankings were administered. They at least drove you home afterwards with your red bottom.

Spanking was used in the schools i attended kindergarten through 8th grade. If the teacher was to do it you were kept after school and it was done in the empty classroom with the door locked. You were made to undress to your underwear, they were pulled down for the spanking.

Empty classroom? Locked doors? Sounds like a setup that was (purposefully?) made to facilitate misuse ...

@agracier No. It was done after school with the classroom door locked for privacy. To be clear school had ended for the day and the classroom was empty

@agracier No. It was done after school with the classroom door locked for privacy. To be clear school had ended for the day and the classroom was empty

Putting an adult in a locked room with a partially clothed child and no observer - or witnesses- is a perfect storm for excessive physical or sexual abuse.

Putting an adult in a locked room with a partially clothed child and no observer - or witnesses- is a perfect storm for excessive physical or sexual abuse.

Not that different from when priests gave 'counselling' or heard confessions in their private rooms. That was how it was sometimes done in my Belgian Jesuit High School. Not all students were called to confession in a priests living quarters, but some were and they were the butt of jokes I didn't really understand.

I had to see 'Le Souffle au Coeur' by Louis Malle before I caught the full drift.

And now that i think about it, spanking an undressed pupil in a locked room gives even more scope to onerous and illegal misuse ...

No. It was done after school with the classroom door locked for privacy. To be clear school had ended for the day and the classroom was empty

C'mon. If that situation doesn't ring some alarm bells then people were being very naïve back then.

Locked for privacy? Yeah sure. No one would ever take advantage.

One of my fantasies involves the judicial punishment given to wayward boys in England by local magistrates. To be taken in front of a magistrate, sentenced to X strokes of a birch rod for a petty crime gets me going.

Up untill 1970no permission needed in UK schools it was given misbehaving resulted in paddle or cane or tawes might send note home with you telling parents been punished and why

I went to a Catholic 1st through 8th grade school. Paddling was allowed and it was part of the school guidelines and had to he signed off by the parents. If they didn't agree to it then dont send your kid here.

Paddling did happen, but not as much as many may think. They had plenty of other non-corporal punishment options to make you re-think your choices so you had to be a repeat offender or do something really stupid to get paddled. It was usually 3 to 6 swats on your underwear. Our school was an equal opportunity paddling school. Girls were not immune. While girls got it less than boys just because they were generally better behaved I know of three 8th grade girls who did get paddled for leaving the campus and getting caught sneaking back in.

Your fantasy was a reality for me right after college, I started working for a Mormon based private school. As a private school we allowed corporal punishment, the parents had a few options. The first was to sign a form at the beginning of each school year exempting you from corporal punishment (in this case you would receive the normal punishment escalation as in public schools….detention, suspension then expulsion). The second was to be notified if you received corporal punishment. The third was to be present for your corporal punishment.

I was amazed how many kids despite what their parents might have signed off on wanted to choose differently. A number wanted more swats instead of having their parents notified or getting detention due to what they would experience at home.

@agracier

C'mon. If that situation doesn't ring some alarm bells then people were being very naïve back then.

Locked for privacy? Yeah sure. No one would ever take advantage.

In response to your last comment. It was a Catholic school in the 60s and 70s and what i posted happened.

I attended Texas Public Schools in the '60s and early '70s. You guys could have played out your fantasies daily in kindergarten through 8th grade. There was very little if any paddling in my high school but junior high you could get whacks for improper dress or not having your gym clothes. While far more boys were paddled than girls than boys girls were not immune from paddlings. I was never paddled but several of my girl friends received whacks a time or two.

C'mon. If that situation doesn't ring some alarm bells then people were being very naïve back then.

Locked for privacy? Yeah sure. No one would ever take advantage.

@agracier In the schools that I attended the teacher doing the paddling had to have a witness. (Usually another teacher; however some used school secretaries at times.)

I don't know if my parents ever signed any sort of consent form concerning corporal punishment.

I think we just accepted that it was the norn.

I had a few trips to the headmaster's office in grammar school for bare arsed canings, usually six at a time. I don't recall there ever being anyone present as witness. It was just done in his office with the door closed.

Never stopped me playing truant and was a sort of badge of honour to show the kids on the school bus on the way home. 😃

The third was to be present for your corporal punishment.

@Savage101 where there instances of the paint requesting to be present when the corporal punishment was given?

Paddling was very common in Oregon public schools in the 50s and 60s. Usually a half dozen swats with a wooden paddle. Rarely a girl. Boys usually bent over the teachers desk. Fully clothed except when you were in the locker room. The PE teachers seemed to love Paddling bare butts.

Paddling of male students was common in Junior High School in Riverside, CA in the early 60’s. It was usually done in the Vice Principal’s office — bent over a chair with a wooden paddle. Girls were not paddled but were usually given detention. I experienced such a paddling from being peripherally involved in a scuffle on a school bus with about a dozen others. The guys were all simultaneously summoned from their classes to the Vice Principal’s office where we were each given 5 swats to the hiney (with pants on) in front of each other. Some of us had PE for our next class. It was quite interesting seeing the red swat marks on each others hineys as we dressed for PE and later in the showers!!! AND THOSE WELTS WERE BRIGHT, CHERRY RED!

@Spence1819 If the parents selected to be present, they were notified of the day/time to come to the school and their student would be called to the main office area for the spanking or paddling. I was a member of the schools medical department and we were required to oversee all disciplinary actions or to administer them ourselves. Many parents after being contacted and informed of their child’s conduct would request that they administer the punishment when their child arrived (which in my opinion was worse than what they would’ve gotten from staff)(these parents were paying a lot of money for tuition and were not happy when their child wasn’t taking it seriously).

@Savage101 how would a parent spank them?

Sounds like one of those terrible sick Hentai games from Japan were middle school or high school girls are abused. Not cool!

@Spence1819 The way we administered corporal punishment was either a spanking, paddling, belt/strap; always on their bare bottom. Before I started the lady in charge just said it’s always been done that way. For me it was to make sure my swats hit correctly and that we didn’t cross from punishment into abuse. I also feel that them getting it on their bare bottom added to the embarrassment of the punishment. And for the record, there were a lot of discipline measures from detention, suspension to expulsion; we didn’t necessarily start off with corporal punishment.

To answer your question, as I said if the parents wanted to be present we’d speak with them about what happened, why we are at this point and what is about to happen to their child. And then we’d summon the child who usually didn’t know that the parents were present. When the parents asked if they could be the ones to administer the punishment, we would let them. They did it along the lines of what we had already discussed and if they wanted to use one of our paddles, belts or straps we’d let them. And I can honestly say that way more than half of those kids got it way worse from mom or dad than anything we would have done. A few times we had to “interrupt” the parent for safety concerns. Usually, we didn’t have any further major issues with those students as I’m sure the parents made very clear their expectations to their child in private.

At times it was interesting to watch the child’s reaction when it was announced that dad ir mom was going to issue the punishment, complete shock. You could tell they had probably never been disciplined by their parents and now not only was it going to happen but it was going to happen in front of the rest of us.