Miscellaneous | Toilet water level in the bow…

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Hi all, although this doesn't pertain directly to enemas I have a few questions regarding toilets and water level in the bowl. I couldn't find the proper category to post this, so my apologies if this post is in the wrong section. Before you read on: Please keep the comments on subject! We don't need suggestions on diet, toilet bowl cleaning or accessories like a bidet.

One of my relatives (resides in the USA) has a dilemma with the design of her toilet, particularly the amount of water (lack of) in the toilet bowl. I'll try to explain this without getting too graphic. Almost all of her bowel movements are "loose" and "gassy" which results in fecal matter sticking to the sides and above the water of the toilet bowl. Her issue is that she has to scrub the sides of the bowl every time she (and other family members/guests) poops.

I suggested to try to raise the water level in the bowl. We both watched YouTube videos on how to do this. Basically it was adjusting the float in the tank. That was tried by both raising and lowering the float. The water level remained the same. She also tried putting a couple gallons of water in the bowl. The water level went up a little, but quickly returned to what it was before adding the water.

I did some further research and found an article about water levels in toilet bowls. It pretty much explained that the design of the toilet and the pipes within the fixture determines the water level in the bowl. I learned that the plumbing within the fixture has a bend or curve to keep sewer gasses from coming back up. That bend is called the weir. The bottom of the weir determines the amount of water in the bowl. I looked at my toilets and the explanation is very accurate.

So it makes sense that if you pour gallons of water into the toilet, the level will stay the same. Furthermore, the plumbing in the toilet cannot be changed. Upon further research, I found out that toilets manufactured and sold today are no more than 1.6 gallons per flush (GPF).

She sent me some pictures of the inside of her toilet bowl. What I saw is that the design of the bowl has a considerable amount of depth. The water level looks like it's less than 1/4 high from the bottom to the rim. In order for her to eliminate the "poop speckle" the level of the water would have to be at least twice as high or 1/2 the height from the bottom to rim.

My question: Is there a toilet on the market with a shallower bowl design that allows a water level closer to the rim? There are many toilets at home improvement stores and online, but none have any pictures of the amount of water in the bowl. It wouldn't make sense to buy a toilet, have it installed and find out that she doesn't have the preferred water level in the bowl. We have searched everywhere to no avail. I'm asking that if anyone has this design to please post a photo and give us the make and model.

Another question: How do you post pictures on this website?

Rigel

Don't you wish they had toilet showrooms where you can do test pooping? 😄

We bought a bidet toilet seat, Toto Washlet, at a plumbing supply store. They had a bidet toilet seat in a bathroom where you could try it out before buying. I guess you could poop there and then see how well it cleans your butt. We didn’t test drive it! 😋

rigid58

OK here are the workings of the modern Water Closet (Commonly known as a Toilet Bowl) All Toilet bowls work on a siphon jet action, Built into the Bowl is a trap once the flush handle is actuated the level of water rises, which causes the water to rise above the internal trap, as that happens and as the water starts to drain out of the trap a siphon action takes place drawing the rest of the water and matter with it once the level in the trap has equalized the siphon action stops and as the tank fills, the overflow in the tank puts back a modicum of water to the level of the “Crown Weir” of the bowl What would work well for your friend is a bladder power flush bowl, Inside the tank is a rubber bladder which fills to a designed pressure, when the flush is activated the pressure is great enough that the sides are almost always flushed clean. They are commonly used in commercial buildings, especially DR. offices or where ever heavy use takes place. If you have any further questions, you can contact me, I know my S it

stiknclikit

Just replaced one toilet with a Kohler brand - slightly higher seat feels nice at our ages. The flush comes shooting around the rim and down - doing a nice job of cleaning the bowl sides. Our other old toilet flushes and refills fine.. but I've noticed it's post flush level does vary sometimes. I may be crazy here but I believe I've noticed a correlation to overall weather patterns.. when a high pressure is over us the level seems just a bit lower, during low pressure weather it's a bit higher. Works a bit like a barometer.

Ebbie-Anne

@stiknclikit How high does the water in your Kohler go? What model? Can you send or post a picture?

vato

Water saving toilets ain't worth the powder to blow em to hell…. sometimes to have to flush twice Really ? so Einsteins… what water have you saved? Hey @Ebbie-Anne watch the level of the fill tube. The water in the tank make sure it is 1" or less from the top… Where the little black hose goes from the fill valve to the fill tube, and watch the Flapperball, not a water saving flapper. and the new fill valves can have have a water restrickter in them. All government run water saving programs…. sorry even with something as simple as toilet, the government can even fuck them up to.

codjer

WD 40 isnt toxic and your toilet wont catch on fire!

codjer

Have an outdoor privey!

duhwizzard

A. Yes the “government” promulgated the law/rule/regulation regarding maximum H2O discharge in flushing (1.6 gal?). And yes, most of the low-flush toilets don't work worth CRAP and sometimes even flushing twice doesn't completely clear/clean the bowl. We have 4 “top end” toilets and they are all a problem sometimes!! B. The problem, however, is NOT the government regulations, but the shitty (pun very much intended!!) design that the private sector has managed to come up with!!! The fact of the matter is, we're stuck with BOTH the regulations AND the design. Seems to me that if someone developed a new formulation for the enamel used to coat the toilet bowl the problem may be abated. You could also change your diet (to what I don't know, but…) so that your crap ain't so sticky!! This will undoubtedly (NOT!!) become a problem for the ages. C. One suggestion not offered so far is: take a dump; if things stick, take as many HIGH VOLUME enemas as you need until the returns are clear and “power wash” the toilet bowl!. Yes, ultimately, you are going to use more water, but at least you'll have the enjoyment of a good cleanout!

watertrain

In the past year I replaced all three of my toilets with American Standard “VorMax” model toilets after seeing one at my son's house. It is designed to have a second stream of water that exits just under the rim and swirls around the entire bowl during a flush to wash off “splatter” above the water line. It achieves this by having a second float in the tank to let water into the under-rim wash ledge.

They also are “adult height” with soft close seats; highly recommended.

MissStress

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As others have suggested find a plumbing supply house to get advice on a better working toilet. One that works better for your specific situation.

Repetitious Old Bastard

The problem reminds me of my 1980 Kohler Rialto one-piece toilet… always needing to adjust it for proper water height in the bowl, and often needed to be flushed twice. Since it was right next to the tub, I had a shower enema attachment next to it with a long hose, and could use that to shoot water into it and clean it out… Oh, replaced the plastic flush valve inside the Rialto with an all-brass valve from (have to look it up, if anyone interested)…

Speaking of toilets - here's a link to a post that Susie wrote that might be of interest:

https://en.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;msg=1021614

Ebbie-Anne

She sent me a picture. The water doesn't fill the bowl enough. With my amateur photo shop skills, I made a visual to how much water she prefers in the bowl.

https://imgur.com/a/KwRhNqr

lzrd

In this case, the water level is determined by the Gas trap flush throat built in behind the pot.

But as far as getting it to wash the sides of the pot, there are a few things:::

1. There might not be enough water in the flush tank, adjust the float to allow more water up in the flush tank reservoir.

2. The holes under the rim of the pot, where flush water is supposed to wash down the sides of the pot, may be mostly clogged.

3. Be sure the open stand pipe in the tank is receiving plenty of water while the tank is re-filling after being flushed. There should be a little hose from the water cut-off valve delivering water into the stand pipe to fill the pot, while it is re-filling the tank reservoir. This little side flow hose, refills (enemas) the pot for you after it is flushed.

4. Lots of enema fetish students will make an extraordinary mess in the pot and forget to make it right afterwards. So, don't just blame the pot.