Anybody got experience with large enemas that flow into the small intestine through the iliocecal valve ?

Does anyone have experience with large enemas that flow into the small intestine through the iliocecal valve ? Even more extreme, with those that flow into the stomach and are expelled orally:

Expelling an enema orally sounds like an extremely bad idea.

That's the shortest sentence I could come up with given my thoughts on the matter.

Be wise, play safe.

Its easy to go past the valve and fill the small don't go to far or you will throw up…. and it takes much longer to get all the water out

Some special people enjoy it but they are few. Most that try and get to that point probably won’t try it again because it’s a very intense experience but to each there own.

@shredder

You can submit your entry for a Darwin Award here:

https://darwinawards.com/slush/submit_story.html

You can submit your entry for a Darwin Award here:

Gee, I thought they had stopped….good to know that they are still awarded, makes for good reading 😃

One question. Why would you want to force enema solution contaminated by colonic bacteria into your small intestines? What is the goal or upside for this?

Sounds DANGEROUS!!

The iliocecal valve is a one-way valve.

Like a check valve in a pipe.

It IS possible to put too much reverse pressure on any check valve. Including the little rubber flap in the nozzle of a Fleet enema.

In that case you will “blow” the valve and that valve, if it ever does work again will ALWAYS leak! The safe way is to replace the check valve.

The iliocecal valve evolved where it did and the way it did for some very good reasons.

Essentially to protect the digesting food from the poop.

YOU DO NOT WANT TO BLOW YOUR ILIOCECAL VALVE!

I realize it is difficult and not really comfortable to clear the entire digestive tract, and the part that makes it hard is the small intestine.

The RIGHT way to clear yourself is:

Clear the stomach by FASTING!! I know it's difficult but its the best and safest way to clear the stomach.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SH0OULD YOU EVER FORCE YOURSELF TO VOMIT!! It's dangerous and each round empties no more than about ⅔ in the ideal case of what's there, usually closer to half.

The large intestine can be cleared by enemas, or by a high dose of a stimulant laxative like bisacodyl or if you really want to be sure, by BOTH!

That brings us to the problem of the small intestine.

The stomach will release part of it's contents into the small intestine about every 15 minutes. The small intestine will release part of it's content into the large intestine at the same interval but almost never in sync!

The process slows down but does not stop as the stomach empties

The best way to clear the small intestine is with one of the liquid oral laxatives. Magnesium Citrate is an option. High doses of Miralax taken over 3-4 hours is another option.

I have even heard of people having success with high doses of Milk of Magnesia taken between rounds of enemas!

That is one of the big DON'Ts of enema use.

NEVER 'blow your iliocecial valve. The damage can be permanent and can lead to all manner of problems!!

This is a bad idea!!!!

I have noted on many threads that one should use common sense when giving themselves enemas. If you are going to do harm to yourself in an attempt to experience something you think will be fun, exciting, and super sexy, then you will likely pay a heavy price. Our bodies are resilient up to a point, but they ultimately have the last say in whether you will be able to function normally or not if you intentionally damage yourself.

People who do stupid things usually get the message only after they have to face the consequences of their actions.

Some more info on enemas reaching past the illeocecal valve into the small intestine:

https://en.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;topic=67872

I also would have to question why would someone want to do this. Sounds like it may be a challenge for some, but its just sounds risky and foolish. There were some posts about a guy who claimed to take an 8 and a 13 gallon enema - while throwing up most of it, but I don't think anyone believed him.

I did not attempt to do this, but on a few occasions I think it might have happened. I would very rarely feel like I was going to throw up when taking an enema, and on one or two occasions I would release stuff smelling strongly of bile and stomach acid.

I usually took several enemas in a session, and would try to take as much water as possible for the last enema, often reaching about 3.5 quarts. On rare occasions, I would get up to 4 quarts in me without pain or much discomfort.

Jon

No I would never attempt to do that. It sounds dangerous and that wouldn't be good.

@shredder (OP),

Did you start this thread thinking of giving yourself or a partner an enema through the IC valve or even to the stomach, or just finding out if they were doable or safe?

Thanks,

Eric

(I’m a retired US MD. Personally, I’d recommend against it like the others here.)

Is it just me, or is just the thought of doing this a step up from borderline crazy?

In three words “ Oh Hell No”, sounds like torture to me.

Is it just me, or is just the thought of doing this a step up from borderline crazy?

@redbulb it is not … borderline crazy … because that border was crossed 300 miles ago.

I should start this by saying, I am a large person and normally take 4 to 6 quart enemas as “normal.” I can take a 4 quart enema and hold it until I get bored! A 2 or 3 quart enema may be a large volume enema for you. (Your mileage, or your lover's, may vary! Play safe!)

I haven't done an enema recently. When I do, I flush out with a few (American) 4 quart enemas, then do a couple six quart enemas. Using warm water. So everything is flushed out and stretchy. (Warm water makes the protein in the intestine walls more stretchy.)

Then I take a four quart, warm, enema and hold it for at least 10 minutes. Better 15 or 20 minutes. I can feel that valve opening and water flowing into my small intestines. The pressure in my large intestines pushes the water into my small intestine. When the pressure in my large intestine is lessened, I can often take another four quart, warm enema. The pressure of eight quarts is intense, so I can't hold it long. When I do expel it it GUSHES out of me and into the toilette. (Or sometimes into the tub. These days, I prefer to kneel, face down in the tub.)

I usually don't use soapy water with high volume enemas. Also by “warm” I mean comfortably warm 105° F to 108° F. NOT hot! (Your mileage may vary! Again, play safe!)

It helps you hold it if you have a butt plug enema nozzle. But do be able to stop things if the internal pressure gets too great! (I don't own a balloon style nozzle.) Be able to stop when enough is enough!

Guzzle Guzzle Kid

Just as one single example as a data point on this OP, I’m a 70 y/o 6’½” 220 lb male. Enemas for enjoyment, sexual stimulation, and rarely constipation or pre-op colon evacuation since age 15 in 1967. For decades until finding and joining Zity in 2015, I took 2-2.5 quart enemas, loved them, felt a little distended, and thought 4 quarts sounded absurd, possibly dangerous, and anatomically improbable or even impossible.After reading hundreds or thousands of Zity members’ accounts, and knowing that I personally really enjoyed the internal pressure and external distention, I gradually increased to 3, 3.5 and then 4 quarts. No pain, minimal cramping and very pleasant sensations. One single time I semi-accidentally took 5 quarts after falling asleep during my 2nd 2.5 quart bag, allowing the whole 2.5 + 2.5 quarts to flow in. Again, no pain, minimal cramping, and even more pleasant pressure and distention than with 4 quarts.

Since then I’ve stayed with 4-4.5 quarts, and never at any volume including 4 and 5 quarts have I ever had any sensations or feelings that my ileocecal valve had been crossed or pushed open to start filling my small intestine. Neither have I ever in 55 years of enemas ever had the slightest whiff of nausea. Some members have posted that they had specific sensations telling them their IC valve had been crossed, but I’ve never had them. As much as I enjoy all the sensations of holding 4-5 quarts, I’ll never intentionally try to fill my small bowel or even more proximally my stomach, for me likely requiring volumes substantially in excess of 5 quarts. My lower GI tract, especially anus and rectum, have always been sufficiently (hyper-) sensitive to irritation and induced evacuation urges that I’m quite sure that any nausea, vomiting, and/or any major cramping or expulsion urges from such an attempt would be extremely undesirable. Or, like CaptNemo aptly noted below in #15,

“In three words “ Oh Hell No”, sounds like torture to me.”

I’ll just continue to enjoy my 4-5 quart fills and long 30 to >60 minute retentions and leave my small bowel and stomach in peace. Any or all of them are much easier and more pleasant and fun using a DBCatheter, 2 of which I am expecting in the mail from MedTech3000 in Germany after ordering a week or so ago.

Eric

It’s an enema. Not a competition.