Doctor abused female patients during mandatory physicals

I thought I'd share this story of a case from a few years ago.

A male doctor was convicted of sexually abusing numerous young females who had been sent to him for mandatory pre-employment physical exams. The girls were all applying for jobs in the ambulance and fire services here in the UK.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3302318/GP-groped-23-women-breast-examinations-jury-hears.html

https://www.thecomet.net/news/sickening-abhorrent-abuse-stotfold-gp-robert-lewis-jailed-for-sexually-5347644

I know this is maybe a controversial take, but is it weird that I think this story is seriously hot?! I know these girls are victims and should be respected, but the story to me is a major turn-on.

These were young women, who needed to pass these physicals to get a job - for some of them, it would have been a 'dream job', or a job they really needed for financial reasons. A stream of these girls were sent to a doctor they'd never met before, and had to submit to him. The power aspect is lovely.

This is an excerpt from the 1st link: 'One woman, who was then 18, alleged he removed her bra without warning, was told to lower her jeans before he slid his hand in her underwear. He looked into her thong and asked her to cough. Then, dressed only in her thong, he asked her to bend over for 10 seconds while he said he was checking her 'spinal alignment'.'

Poor girl lol. Only 18 years old as well.

Quote from prosecutor: 'The women were particularly vulnerable because they were desperate to pass their medical in order to secure new or alternative employment within the ambulance or fire service.'

This is a statement from one victim after he was convicted: 'I clearly remember how I felt when I walked into his consulting room that day. I felt happy, confident and excited about my future prospects. I left feeling humiliated, having been assaulted by Dr Lewis. I remember feeling powerless, vulnerable, and ashamed.'

He was charged with 37 counts in total against 23 women, and in the end was convicted of 4 counts, and sentenced to 2.5 years. Serves him right and I'm glad he got punished but it is a hot story.

Anyone else turned on by this? Or is it wrong to take pleasure from something like this?

Interesting question to see how his fellow prisoners reacted to why he was incarcerated with them. Knowing how inmates tend to treat those they discover are in for child abuse and sexually related offenses. Even though the girls may have been 18 or whatever, still being young. It would still play on their minds if they had daughters, girlfriends, wives, etc

Anyone else turned on by this? Or is it wrong to take pleasure from something like this?

For me, there is a dichotomy. From what you described, I admit it drew me to read the articles. When I read articles about accused docs and abuse, I want accounts to be detailed, and not just glazed over with just a mere mention that abuse took place without elaboration. I want to read the details, like he unhooked their bras, what he did do their breasts, the reaching down their pants etc.

But I don't like that it had negative affect on the women. We can always imagine it happening to a loved one: a wife, a spouse, a girlfriend, a daughter. Even worse can be that it actually has. Or maybe some of the readers can relate firsthand. I am bothered that he caused trauma for the women, as one victim put it, she said she "could no longer trust male medical staff and was wary about leaving her child alone with men." If there were any appeal to the story, it was ruined for me because of all the negative affect (not that I fault the women for it at all). His smirk in the mug shot in the 2nd article is disturbing.

What would make the story appealing is if most of them later admitted that they enjoyed the experience, or that it inspired them to have enjoyable experiences based on having experienced this. And how it may have shaped their kinkiness later in life, developed a medfet, etc. And learned to derive pleasure from feeling powerless and vulnerable. I've chatted with both women and men online who have overcome some type of actual abuse experience, to where it shaped them to have enjoyable experiences that were based on what they went through.

But this doesn't seem to be the case with any of them, that we know of. And so the story just becomes disturbing.

So I guess had it been an eventual positive outcome for the women, I'd be turned on. But with the outcome being negative, I am not. Hence, the dichotomy.

I'm not surprised. In France for instance instance heard a few years ago allegations on a doctor administering compulsory physicals in a university. Similar vulnerability — the girls had to pass the physical to get a certain scholarship.

JTMac: Agreed. I've read testimonies of women who, long ago, were admitted into "reform schools" where one of the first things done to them was a pelvic exam, to check their virginity. I've found this quite titillating sexually, but at the same time I felt this was terrible to the girls. I guess we can find a situation titillating in theory but at the same time would not like it to happen in real life.

As a female, the moment it becomes non consensual is the moment it stops becoming a turn on, and I get really angry for those women.

From my observations some people get easily offended if you find such situations exciting. In my opinion it is OK as long as we keep this occurence in a space of an abstract fantasy, unrelated to the real world. It's tricky to desrcribe it but I'll try to illustrate it with my example.

When I run my imagination, I can fantasize about various events in which I am "the main character", such events as: being a war hero, bringing justice of my own taste, or something similar. Fantasy is good because we can control every single factor of "reality". Even emotions and outcomes. And although I fantasize about being a "hero" or something else, I am very far from saying that I would like to find myself or anyone in such situation, just because reality is completely different.

I think that the same rule applies to women who fantasize about being raped. It's just an abstraction and most of them would never ever want to even try to make that happen.

As much as I am sad to hear this exists, I have to admit it is a strong turn on for me.. I had identical experience, one of my ex-girlfriends had to pass complete physical to get her student job. She had her whole body checked without any need, including breasts and vagina, and had even a doctor's finger up her asshole during lenghty rectal exam. Nobody knew that except me, she was embarassed. Unfortunately, I think these sitations are not so uncommon, but that women just don't report them. I was outraged too, but I also found that a great turn on.

Before joining this site I searched this hot button topic. My conclusions after such observations are as follows. Do incidents of this nature occur? Without a doubt. Is it a needle a haystack? It would seem that way. Yes, but there is more than one haystack on the prairie.

The victims need to be heard and recognized but more importantly medical professionals need to stop dismissing these incidents with thier needle in a haystack mentality. I have read my share of such posts on this very site where such a dismissive attitude by alleged (this is the internet where anybody can claim to be in any given occupation hence the word alleged) medical professionals preach like temple elders of the high pulpit treating victims like they are blasphemous heretics. I won't name names because finger pointing is childish but you know who are and for once you folks are now getting a much needed symbolic slap upside your heads.

Two words: Larry Nassar.

While I have written about this previously, I will briefly tell it again as it seems relevant to this thread.

My ex needed an physical to get into a community college LPN program. We were stationed in the military in a southern state and were clearly not “locals”. As I recall I was 19 and she was barely 18 and had just graduated high school. And she was smokin’ hot. Long blond hair, innocent face and what we used to call “puffies”- areola and nipples that stood out from her breast.

Now clearly a breast exam, pelvic and rectal exam ought to be part of a college physical- but they shouldn’t be all that were done!

I went with her and a nurse took us to the exam room and got her vitals (BP, Ht/Wt, temp, etc.). She then left with no other instructions. When the Dr walked in, he greeted us, looked at the forms and said “OK, let’s have you get completely undressed”. So far all is normal, although it seemed strange not to be offered a gown or drape. Then he stood and watched her disrobe. When she was nude, he told her to “jump up on the table”. Without looking at eyes, ears, nose or listening to her chest he went straight to her breasts- and spent a looong time looking at and feeling them up. By now she was blushing and her nipples were hard- but he wasn’t done yet. He had her lay, still nude on the table and felt each one up again. I was a combination of pissed off and horny as hell. He then walked to the end of the table, pulled out the stirrups and said “put your feet in and slide all the way to the end”. As she did he (thankfully) slipped on gloves and squeezed some lube on the fingers. He had a bright light shining between her legs and as he parted her knees with his elbows he said “just let them fall to the sides and relax”. She looked at me with a terrified look on her face, but her knees fell apart. There she was, spread wide and lit up for him. This was back before women shaved their pubes and she had blond curly hairs running along either side of a pink pussy that was just slightly parted. I watched as he slid his index finger in and out. After a few timed he slid a second finger in. I heard her moan, but he continued literally finger-fucking her with me watching. No bi-manual, no speculum, just gliding his fingers in-and-out. When he had enough, he said “you can get dressed- your forms will be at the front desk”. And then he left without another word.

I don’t think either one of us had any idea of what had just happened. She got dressed, we got her forms and left.

I wish I could tell you that we went home and screwed, but in reality she was sore “down there” for several days.

@Playingdoc Thanks for sharing that. So we had quite the same experience with our exes, the difference is only that I didn't watch the exam. But i was also, as you said “furious and horny as hell” when she told me details from that exam.

Playingdoc how many seconds/minutes did the doctor keep his fingers inside. I must have been considerable or rough if she was sore for days.

Ok, so their medical degree gives them a license to molest. Get over it. It comes with the territory. Just as you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, so you can't examine privates without nakedness and some touchy feel-y. The patient might even involuntarily experience climax. Accept it's gonna happen. Where the line should really be drawn is if the doctor becomes naked and kissing, cunnilingus, felatio, or intercourse results. Crazy criminal charges only serve to eliminate capable doctors in a world with a shortage of same.

There is a difference between nudity and clinically appropriate examination and abuse. Larry Nassar didnt remove his trousers or other silly things you said but be dishonours the profession and devalue the title I worked very hard to achieve.

If they cant examine a patient objectly then no that person isn't a capable dr at all. A clinical exam and molestation are miles apart on Venn diagram

Ok, so their medical degree gives them a license to molest. Get over it. It comes with the territory.

I hope that’s a joke ! Doctors do not have a “license to molest” and the few that do - and even fewer that get caught - are perverts who shouldn’t be practicing medicine.

Two words: Larry Nassar.

Two more words: Robert E. Anderson (and one middle initial)

This topic is about women and girls abused by doctors, (and they often get prosecuted.)

However, there are also so many cases involving the abuse of boys as well. (and they usually don't get prosecuted.)

Anderson has literally thousands of victims, but you only know Nasser's name.

Silvfox- It probably seemed a lot longer than it was (especially to her), but his fingers wmere repeatedly shoved in and out. It also goes without saying that he wasn’t particularly gentle. And remember, she was a young girl without much experience.

The problem with these doctors, is that they are not discreet. If they were less aggressive and were more casual, they could perform an intimate exam, and talk to the patient and explain the exam. The lady patient would be more comfortable, look at all the male doctors that perform breast reduction surgery on women.

While I have written about this previously, I will briefly tell it again as it seems relevant to this thread.

My ex needed a physical….We were stationed in the military…and she was barely 18 and had just graduated high school.

….spent a looong time looking at and feeling them up. By now she was blushing and her nipples were hard- but he wasn’t done yet. …. he slid his index finger in and out. After a few timed he slid a second finger in. I heard her moan, but he continued literally finger-fucking her with me watching.

I don’t think either one of us had any idea of what had just happened

Could be viewed as “battle testing” her to see how she'd handle potential aggressiveness in the military.

Could be viewed as “battle testing” her to see how she'd handle potential aggressiveness in the military.

That certainly isn't part of a military docs job description - or duties.

Not only female Patients Are abused. Also male patients are. Like it happened to me.

CREEPY, how can a person's real world abuse be a turn-on?

Just makes me wonder even more if we have real-world creepy docs on here.

Peace,

Caz.

The problem with these doctors, is that they are not discreet.

Maybe we'll just disagree, but the problem with these doctors is that they were abusive.

@Caz - I'm with you babe! People who get turned on by seeing others being abused need to seek counseling! I have played with a few women who wanted me to hurt them, and those relationships ended then and there. To all you Doms/Dommes, and especially new Doms/Dommes out there, you REALLY need to remember that if you injure, God forbid accidentally kill a sub, the courts will convict you of a crime! Please note that sentencing might be more lenient if you can PROVE the abuse was consensual, but you are totally at the mercy of the judge. Judges in general consider us perverts, and tend to deal harshly. I would recommend: if you would not let someone do it to you, don't do it to them!

@Caz - I'm with you babe! People who get turned on by seeing others being abused need to seek counseling! I have played with a few women who wanted me to hurt them, and those relationships ended then and there. To all you Doms/Dommes, and especially new Doms/Dommes out there, you REALLY need to remember that if you injure, God forbid accidentally kill a sub, the courts will convict you of a crime! Please note that sentencing might be more lenient if you can PROVE the abuse was consensual, but you are totally at the mercy of the judge. Judges in general consider us perverts, and tend to deal harshly. I would recommend: if you would not let someone do it to you, don't do it to them!

Actually in many US states it’s technically assault whether its consensual or not.

Play safe kids. Be careful of your playmates.