What if modesty never existed in medicine?

If only modesty rules didn't exist in the medical field and us paitents would have no choice but to do what the doctors say. Getting undressed without question. And having a complete exam performed. Mabye being in a hospital and being led down the hallway with zero covering. It also adds submission to the paitent which might be necessary to let the professionals do their work. I would love to find someone in the medical field to treat me like this.

I can also add that I know paitents are given paper or cloth gowns which does add a feeling of submission on their behalf. I would just love it if I was told to undress completely without any care of how I feel about it even if that meant wearing a sterile covering. I still want the submission.

If modesty didn't exist life would be more fun. Maybe simpler. You would know what to expect when going to your doctor without question. It might freak out some lesser people about being nude. There might be some lawsuits. People might be scared to go to the doctor; depending on the medical need. I think children might be less scared of the doctor knowing what to expect and what was coming. We would find out real quick how your doctor's bedside manner was.Might bring back house calls for some people. Just first idea's on the subject. Cool question.

Being pushed down the corridors uncovered would be pushing things a bit far, but in Europe there is a lot of nudity behind the closed doors of the medical world. And as for modesty, for the most part you have to check that in at the hospital entrance.

When I’ve been in the hospital for surgery, and other things, I’ve usually been in just a gown, nothing else. But, it’s made me think of how they do things, and I’d be fine with just being naked or minimal covering beyond bedsheets, when needing to stay in bed, not leaving your room. The trend seems to be inclined towards private rooms in hospitals, so really you’ll only be seen by hospital employees. The most important consideration should be the doctors, nurses, and other medical staff having easiest access to what they need to see, touch, and examine on you. In surgery, once you’re under anesthesia, you are pretty much exposed, and I think it shouldn’t be all that different the rest of the time you’re in the hospital. We should accept the medical staff are not seeing us in the way the rest of society would, but also other employees can be trained, in fact, most non-medical hospital employees I know have seen lots of immodesty or exposure from patients, and it’s just part of the job.

There’s nothing I like less in a medical situation than seeming awkwardness from medical staff when it comes to nudity. Not having any modesty would be better for everyone.

For visitors you could put something on, like a robe or gown.

It would seem that in the English speaking countries in particular that attempts are made to ensure the patient is covered in some form or other during most examinations. I had experience in only the UK where I was born and bred, also spending my working life there. Now living in France for the past 10 years or more I find a different attitude.

I only ever had one physical in my whole life while in the Uk and that involved being undressed down to my under pants, no gown or anything else but the pants preserved my modesty. At my family doctors all checks were done with most clothing in place. In later years when I went for a three monthly Blood pressure check it only involved rolling a sleeve up, or not if wearing short sleeves. No other checks what so ever were ever done. the only other experience was when I had some severe stomach pain and the doctor felt my abdomen after asking me to lift up my shirt, this was followed by a rectal exam (the one and only I have ever had). For this procedure I had to lower the back of my trousers and pants while laying on my side, nothing exposed other than my bare backside.

In France my family doctor here does a three monthly blood pressure test, and for this she asks me to remove my shirt and shoes before sitting in her fully adjustable electronic chair. She checks heart; chest; BP; circulation at the ankle and an an abdominal check, plus at the end my weight.

At the dermatologist it is case of a full body check every six months where the doctor asks me to take every bit of clothing off from the beginning to the end of the examination. I undress in front of him while we talk about all sorts of matters, almost as if one was in the changing room of a team sport. I believe that being naked for examinations is the norm in France.

I would rather not be naked and I hope we continue to be modest here.

I think it's difficult even to imagine the same for people in the countries (like mine) where naked exams is not the norm.

How much ever fantasies I may have to be examined naked. I am not sure if I will be comfortable if that actually happens in a real exam. I think I would like to have atleast a gown if not my street clothes.

I believe that being naked for examinations is the norm in France.

From what I’ve heard, this is true, although I think for dermatologist exams nudity is more common in the States, too. But, I’ve heard wonderful stories about Americans or Brits, living in France, being very surprised when they go to the doctor and are expected to be nude for the entire exam, and not given a gown or any covering.

I posted, on another thread long ago, the link to a woman’s blog about being an American living in France, and her first visit to a doctor. She was quite taken aback after she disrobed completely, I believe with the doctor present, and then realized there was no gown offered. She later laughed about it.

"I posted, on another thread long ago, the link to a woman’s blog about being an American living in France, and her first visit to a doctor. She was quite taken aback after she disrobed completely, I believe with the doctor present, and then realized there was no gown offered. She later laughed about it".

I too came across this blog some time back, I must say that I found it odd that she just stripped off completely in front of the doctor without knowing a gown would be available. Interestingly most English women I know, or have heard about in my part of France always seek out a female doctor.

Obviously for many visits to the doctor here you are not requested to be completely naked, but in the case of something below the belt line then it would appear to be the case. It also is a sound idea to have a good understanding of the language as well, in another blog I read of an English guy who new to France went to see a doctor about a sore throat and thought that he had been asked to strip naked for the examination, but actually had not, much to the amazement of the elderly male doctor.

Of course with dermatology and a full body exam being naked is understandable. I did enquire with my own doctor in conversation about my recent experience and she said of course you need to be completely undressed, "as he needs to see everything". That last quote was spoken with eyes wide and the emphasis that you know what I mean by that.

I think the existence of modesty desires/expectations in real life are what feed the desire for the lack of it in fantasy. If we had no modesty desires/expectations there would be nothing 'exciting' about it within the fantasy context. It is the remove from the norm, the taboo, which is the beginning of the excitement inside a fantasy. Speaking personally, yes I think there is something exciting about having my patient exposed in ways they would never be outside of a fantasy context, say rolling down the halls of the hospital with all those eyes looking on. Of course, in a real life context I don't wish that for myself or anyone else, especially if they experience any form of social anxiety in any capacity.

How about exam rooms that have multiple exam tables in the room. Patients would be able to see each other.

The lobby itself can

be a great place as well for open discussions on the upcoming treatments as people sit in the lobby. All being able to hear the goings-on.

I’ve experienced medical modesty reform happening over my lifetime. Before the 80’s there was 0% concern about modesty when it came to child patients in America! As a child I often spent much of my time in exam rooms without pants and underwear. Modesty options just weren’t available, or of any concern. A visit to the doctor’s office made me feel more like a commodity or property than it did young human being with feelings. I know that has a lot to do with my medfets.

Now days at the doctor’s, or in the hospital, they try to see as little skin as possible. I’m not sure how they even get their jobs done, and I personally know that sometimes they don’t!

There’s either been a complete disregard for privacy/modesty in real medical settings, or way too much it seems.

Believe me, once upon a time not too long ago, modesty didn’t exist!

That's really easy just go tell them you're crazy. Psych admissions are almost completely like that in most ER

I too came across this blog some time back, I must say that I found it odd that she just stripped off completely in front of the doctor without knowing a gown would be available.

In the blog I was referring to, I believe the American woman was instructed by her French doctor to disrobe completely. She did so, expecting that a gown would be offered. So, she then was taken aback when, once she was completely naked, the doctor just began the exam, and she was expected to remain naked for the entire exam. It was an example of American modesty, running up against France’s more relaxed, and maybe more practical, methods regarding nudity. The woman later found it humorous, as she wrote her recollection.

If we grew up with having no modesty at the doctor's office, then it probably would be okay and we wouldn't think too much about being naked in front of the doctor and his or her nurse.

This may be the link that Doctor Jack posted about on 2020.06.23:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F74Y6q-vpCU

It is a YouTube video of a young American woman talking about culture shock when going to the doctor in France.

It is a YouTube video of a young American woman talking about culture shock when going to the doctor in France.

Good video.

But remember that culture shock works both ways. French (and Belgians) going to a doctor in the US might be even more shocked at all the cultural assumptions they encounter. Why the distrust that is the basic underlying assumption for having chaperones/nurses present? It shows that doctors don't trust you and that they assume you don't trust them. Not to mention what it implies about prudishness.

And the intricacy of paying a bill is not really very straightforward or reassuring. Nor is the idea of going to a shopping mall for medical treatment very reassuring. Especially since it displays rank (corporate) commercialism.

I’ve experienced medical modesty reform happening over my lifetime…. Believe me, once upon a time not too long ago, modesty didn’t exist!

As have I. When I was growing up, and as a young adult, you were exposed as much, or as little, as the doctors and nurses saw fit. It was a total power imbalance. In the 1970s, women began to assert control over their own bodies and eventually modesty in a medical setting became the norm, rather than the exception. Fear of litigation and high malpractice insurance rates here in the US was certainly a factor. In some ways, it makes patients, especially female patients with male doctors and / or nurses, more comfortable. In other ways, it does make it more difficult for both practitioners and their patients.