Another GP given life in prison!

Http://news.sky.com/story/gp-manish-shah-jailed-for-90-sex-offences-against-24-female-patients-11928257

Another case of a GP giving too many intimate exams, now in prison for 15 years.

Should stick to wonderful sites like this one to play out your fantasy with fellow kinkies! ??

15 years is not long enough. There have been a rash of cases like this in the UK and the US, the worst being Larry Nasser.

I'm always suspicious of guys who become gynecologists, its not like they can empathize with the patient. My wife who was a former physician herself, would never see a male Dr or have a male Nurse. She would only be seen by a woman whom she though in her words, could understand the issues, and had more integrity than most male physicians who she had stated when in the medical environment were easily corruptible.

.... I'm always suspicious of guys who become gynecologists, its not like they can empathize with the patient....

I am sorry, but that is tarring an entire profession due to the crimes of a few. And if you believe that male gynecologists cannot empathize with a woman, and therefore shouldn't be treating her, then any physician who hasn't had cancer couldn't empathize with a cancer patient and shouldn't be treating that patient. One has nothing to do with the other. If you read the postings n this board, you will see that many women prefer a male gynecologist.

Let's cull out the bad apples, but not treat the rest of the barrel as rotten.

Given three life sentences? And in the UK no less? Are they trying to imitate the Alabama or Mississippi legal systems or something?

Yes, a big time creep deserving punishment, but 'on exagere quand meme' ...

In the UK, life doesn't mean they will die in prison - they get released after a set interval and will be on a lifelong licence where they could be recalled to prison for breaches of their licence.

There are very few prisoners in the UK serving 'whole life' sentences.

I'm always suspicious of guys who become gynecologists, its not like they can empathize with the patient. My wife who was a former physician herself, would never see a male Dr or have a male Nurse

I think that is not fair @Big_Easy_Guy. My gynecologist I go to privately for my check ups is a man and he is very good, I would not want to change from him. I would not want a female one because I think a lot of lady doctors are just not very pleasant and they get into power struggles with other women.

In the UK, life doesn't mean they will die in prison - they get released after a set interval and will be on a lifelong licence where they could be recalled to prison for breaches of their licence.

There are very few prisoners in the UK serving 'whole life' sentences.

And those are truly dangerous individuals who need to be kept in prison for the protection of the public. Actually there are plenty more who I believe should be given whole life terms, but this is not the place for me to discuss that further.

I'm always suspicious of guys who become gynecologists, its not like they can empathize with the patient. My wife who was a former physician herself, would never see a male Dr or have a male Nurse. She would only be seen by a woman whom she though in her words, could understand the issues, and had more integrity than most male physicians who she had stated when in the medical environment were easily corruptible.

Oh, where do I start with this one?

I know some excellent OB/GYN physicians. Most of the excellent ones are male. Sorry, you don't need to have the same "parts" to have empathy. The WORST I ever met was a woman GYN. As soon as her patients were done having children strongly encouraged them to get hysterectomies as "you don't need your uterus anymore". She was quite rough during exams, because she had the same "parts" and would tell her patients who thought she was too rough that "it isn't that bad" - because of all that female empathy she had, and the fact that she had the same parts and knows what it feels like. She would break a patients amniotic membranes to speed up labor because she didn't want to wait around. Forget that it's not exactly good for mother or baby, SHE was in a hurry.

I'm sorry, but "more integrity than most male physicians" and that we're "easily corruptible"? Sorry, gotta call bullcrap here, too. I think in the "easily corruptible" column the numbers are going to be pretty even, and also not very high.

Sounds to me your wife has issues. That's fine, she can find physicians she is comfortable with, and it's all good.

As a Family Physician who during residency delivered 87 kids, and who in private practice has taken care of the medical needs of more than a few women, INCLUDING their GYN needs, and delivering their kids, I can tell you that it's an awful lot of work to do just to get a glimpse of lady parts.

I didn't go into medicine in order to see naked women and play with their private parts. I could do that easily and for free, saving 10 years of my life and $237,000 in student loan debt.

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Eh how many hundreds of thousands of doctors are there, and how many hundreds do criminal things like this? I suspect the percentage is much lower than that of the population as a whole. It’s news precisely because it’s unusual

I think what these doctors have done is wrong, BUT what they have done does not rise to the level for life in prison. People get shorter terms for murder.

Revoke their medical licenses, give them a few to several years in jail. That's it. They don't need consecutive sentences for each person to whom they gave an unnecessary intimate exam. One concurrent sentence is enough.

People have to stop getting so emotional about this.

This all boils down to people thinking that the reproductive organs are some sacred cut of meat. IT ISN'T. It is no more special than the lungs, eyes, ears, heart or any other organ system.

When it comes to a legitimate or semi legitimate reason then yes i agree genitals are no different to other parts of anatomy.

But a person is in trusted position its abuse for no other reason than own sexual gratification then it doesn't matter what part of the anatomy it is abuse.

There are bad eggs in every walk of life and i certainly have no issue with myself or daughters seeing a male Dr including an "intimate" exam but when that bad example pops up an example should be made of him or her and i think a harsh prison sentence and license suspended is more than fair.

In the uk he will only serve about 7-8 years in prison maximum the rest of sentence will be on license.

Think that is fair enough, abuse of power, essentially sexual assault one of which a minor and bringing the profession into disrepute.

In the uk he will only serve about 7-8 years in prison maximum the rest of sentence will be on license.

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There is no guarantee the actual time will be any number of specific years. With a life sentence, and then 3 such sentences no less, the authorities can end up doing whatever they bloody well like and bow to the prevailing winds of public outrage at something having to do with sex. It can be a really useful chip to bring into play when a cabinet wants to project a tough on crime image.

There is no guarantee the actual time will be any number of specific years.

In his case, yes there is. He must serve a minimum of 15 years.

Given three life sentences? And in the UK no less? Are they trying to imitate the Alabama or Mississippi legal systems or something?

Yes, a big time creep deserving punishment, but 'on exagere quand meme' ...

I agree! Yet the animal that attacked a young woman in the UK with a hammer, just to carjack her car, almost killing her and causing the loss of one of her eyes only got what, 7 years? WTF?! And he showed zero remorse. Talk about lopsided sentences!

We see the same crap here in the US with prison sentences that make no sense. Savage animals that are a glaringly obvious danger to the public get relatively light sentences, while the non violent offender gets double the prison time. I’m not saying that a doctor that sexually violates patients should get a light sentence, but I would think that if that doctor gets life, then the violent criminal that viciously attacks and seriously injures someone should at least get that same life sentence!

I am sorry, but that is tarring an entire profession due to the crimes of a few. And if you believe that male gynecologists cannot empathize with a woman, and therefore shouldn't be treating her, then any physician who hasn't had cancer couldn't empathize with a cancer patient and shouldn't be treating that patient. One has nothing to do with the other. If you read the postings n this board, you will see that many women prefer a male gynecologist.

Let's cull out the bad apples, but not treat the rest of the barrel as rotten.

Great point. Another analogy would be that only surgeons that are amputees should perform amputations because doctors with all their limbs can’t empathize with amputee patients.

This all can apply to life in general. Whenever I hear an entire group being painted with a broad brush, it aggravates me to no end. Whether it’s an entire race, gender, nationality, etc., people need to remember that every group has a few bad scumbags that shouldn’t be allowed to breathe our precious air, but the majority of said group are not bad people.

In his case, yes there is. He must serve a minimum of 15 years.

You are right. I should have said that there is no guarantee he will serve any maximum number of years. It could therefore be anything from 15 years or until he possibly dies in prison, an arbitrary x number of years after the 15.

I'm always suspicious of guys who become gynecologists, its not like they can empathize with the patient. My wife who was a former physician herself, would never see a male Dr or have a male Nurse. She would only be seen by a woman whom she though in her words, could understand the issues, and had more integrity than most male physicians who she had stated when in the medical environment were easily corruptible.

Such a tired, boring argument.

Actually my gyn and by far the best is Male. You do not need a vagina or uterus or ovaries to emphasise with a woman.

By that logic a female dr with normal periods her whole life cannot empathise with a female patient having menstrual issues.

Or dr having never had cervical cancer cannot emphasise with patients that do?

I didn't know much of this story but he must likely deserves the sentence.

He had plenty of legitimate reasons to perform breast and genital exams on patients but obviously not enough to satisfy him.

Had he exercised a little control no one would have known.

Looking back I think a few of drs, especially when younger did breast exams or checked my genitals more than needed but I never felt abused at the time. So for so many patients to say actually what he did was wrong clearly his demeanor or how he conducted the exams were way off base.

As 15 year old girl I had already had a pelvic exam and I would not have a clue what was normal or not. Certainly would not have filed a complaint against it.

Actually my gyn and by far the best is Male. You do not need a vagina or uterus or ovaries to emphasise with a woman.

Exactly.

That same flawed logic would also dictate that no female doctor could ever give a proper hernia check, testicular exam or prostate exam to a male patient. Which, of course, is ridiculous.

And FWIW, my wife has been seeing the same male gynecologist for the last 14 years. She wouldn't change doctors for anything.

Who is to say that there aren't female gynaecologists/doctors out there who are lesbians and also giving intimate examinations to women who don't really need them?

@SwitchableSusie It’s really not up to anyone, yourself included, to tell people that they need to stop getting emotional about such things. Individuals have the right to feel how they feel without being corrected by you or anyone else. It’s a difficult topic, and each has their own perspective based on their own experiences and world views. Feel how you want to feel, and don’t begrudge others their right to feel how they want to feel for heaven’s sake. Your genitals may not be sacred to you, but I’m okay if they are to others and not sure why you think it is okay to demand that they feel otherwise.

@SwitchableSusie It’s really not up to anyone, yourself included, to tell people that they need to stop getting emotional about such things. Individuals have the right to feel how they feel without being corrected by you or anyone else. I.

Hope and pray that someday in the near future, people don't start getting emotionally worked up with people like us openly discussing sexual matters on a public forum. That might end up in new repressive legislation making criminals of us all.

Call that opinion alarmist, but it is the way some societies/countries are now trending. The subject of this thread is a good example of that very trend.

I would think it very good advice for people never to get emotional about issues of any kind. Emotionalism and rational thinking seldom go well together. It makes for bad decisions.

I am one who would rather have a male gyn. The first gyn I saw was female and the drill sergeant type. She actually made me cry from pain and said to buck up. My male gynecologist always asks if I have pain to let him know. She didn't care.

I never thought I’d say this but I think I prefer men too. I think women tend to be much rougher, and they have this ‘I can take this so can you’ attitude that is unhelpful. For the most part men seem to be gentler, and a bit more understanding of the difficulties of the situation.

My current GYN is a woman and she’s great. I do agree with what was stated below though, I’ve had literally a dozen GYNs over the years and the roughest were women.

I am one who would rather have a male gyn. The first gyn I saw was female and the drill sergeant type. She actually made me cry from pain and said to buck up. My male gynecologist always asks if I have pain to let him know. She didn't care.

I'm not a doctor but I did play golf with one recently. I don't think an exam should be painful. There might be some weird sensations but pain shouldn't be part of it.

I've had male and female gynos, awful doctors are male and female. My current is female and great, actually all my daughter's go to her and she delivered two of my grandsons. I've had some really great males also. Find someone your comfortable with and that's really what it's about. Abuse is not gender specific, just like crime has no zip code.

I'm always suspicious of guys who become gynecologists, its not like they can empathize with the patient. My wife who was a former physician herself, would never see a male Dr or have a male Nurse. She would only be seen by a woman whom she though in her words, could understand the issues, and had more integrity than most male physicians who she had stated when in the medical environment were easily corruptible.

I will not see a female for gyn issues, even though there are no male regular gynecologists left in my area. I have had females give me very rough exams, but never from a male.

My GP is female and the one and only exam I've had from her was awful. The only reason I haven't changed to another GP is I don't have the whatever-it-is emotionally to start over with someone new. But I'll never let her do a pelvic on me again.

I always expect to see my former doctor in the news for this type of behavior.

I always expect to see my former doctor in the news for this type of behavior.

What makes you think that?