LGBT - re-added

Are there situations where someone transitioning affects other people, aside from (a) when you happen to know the trans person at the the time they actually transition, as opposed to meeting them long afterward, in which case you may not know at all, or (b) if you want to sleep with them or have children with them?

YES, there are.

For example in sports where trans women who are men are competeing against real woman and beating the crap out of them, especially in wrestling and other strength related sports. Locker room activities are another area where trans women who are actually men are parading around in front of women which women may not like.

I am sure there are others, but those immediately come to mind.

Good point on sports, not sure why I didn't think of that immediately. (Perhaps because, in all honesty, a very small minority of trans people are involved in situations like this, although they get a fair amount of attention.) After a couple of years on estrogen, though, trans women have lost most if not all of their strength advantage. I agree that this is a hard sell especially when we're talking about athletes at the more elite levels and in contact sports. I'm a little bit conflicted about it too, to be honest. This makes me a glad I'm a trans man, because no one will ever argue that my 5-foot-tall self would have an unfair advantage in men's sports :-)

With locker rooms and restrooms though, most trans people are exceptionally careful to not make it possible for anyone to tell that they're trans, or else they avoid these situations entirely. Any (supposedly) trans person who is out to antagonize other people in that kind of situation is clearly in the wrong, in my opinion. In the US, at least, most people aren't ready for co-ed restrooms and locker rooms, and may never be. That's neither good nor bad, it just is. Everyone, including trans people, have to live in the society that we're in. Some steps are just too big, and that's one of them. It's unfortunate that a few people's actions have really screwed things up for an entire community of people in this regard.

I'm curious: Do you object to trans women (or men) being in the women's (or men's) locker room if they're not visibly trans? Meaning, do you object to it on principle, or only to the "spectacle" that some people have caused?

I'm genuinely asking, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or draw you into any kind of trap.

I'm curious: Do you object to trans women (or men) being in the women's (or men's) locker room if they're not visibly trans? Meaning, do you object to it on principle, or only to the "spectacle" that some people have caused?

I have never really understood what all the drama is about in the US when people go off their rocker and start with all the wild, hysterical accusations when it comes to trans-people using rest rooms (or lockers) for the gender they currently display. If one cannot really tell the difference from their body alone, then how can people otherwise tell anything? Is everyone supposed to be a mind reader? Or should it be necessary to present birth certificates on entering restrooms as some legislators have already proposed (to the rest of the world's immense smirking amusement)?

Because that is what it comes down to in such cases: people being afraid that others might, just might have feelings of attraction ...

I have never really understood what all the drama is about in the US when people go off their rocker and start with all the wild, hysterical accusations when it comes to trans-people using rest rooms (or lockers) for the gender they currently display. If one cannot really tell the difference from their body alone, then how can people otherwise tell otherwise.

That is important. If when looking at a person you can not tell their genetic make up why be so judgemental. Let those who want to transition, transition as they see fit for themselves.

The sport issue is a whole different issue.

I know I’m late to the game, but I’d be more than willing to be friends. You can message me anytime

I am Mtf trans, not sure if any help to you, but if you want to message me, or chat about anything it is fine to do so.

I'm a trans man early in transition. You can message me if you want.

I have a nephew who was born with female genitalia but was the most miserable person I've ever know. After finishing high school, she began transitioning and eventually became a happy person. That transition was certainly the correct thing for him to do. I must say that the first time I stood beside him at the urinals I was a bit uncomfortable, since I had known him as a girl for so long, but we did what we were there for, washed up, and left as if nothing was strange. And then it wasn't ever again. I have since been in a public restroom when a trans man came in and felt totally at ease. What's the big deal? We're human beings and we all use the bathroom several times a day. It's is a very natural and normal thing. Who is in the restroom is of no importance. Of course one has to be comfortable with himself/herself to be comfortable with others. That may be the biggest problem.

Trans-masc non-binary here (who is on T) and would love to talk. Also there is no reason trans people shouldn't be allowed to compete in sports besides transphobia 😃 Prior to the last few years there were no rules about whether a trans person could or could not compete in sports competitions and SOMEHOW they weren't dominating the entire sports arena before then. (Further if you are talking about a trans woman, estrogen supplements break down muscle mass and actually put them at a significant DISadvantage). Telling a life-long athlete they can't compete due to your weird hangups is just obnoxious 😄

Trans-masc non-binary here (who is on T) ....

Isn't testosterone considered a performance enhancer and not allowed in sports?

https://www.usada.org/spirit-of-sport/education/testosterone-boosting-supplements/

"Testosterone and any other substance listed under the Anabolic Agents section of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) Prohibited List are prohibited at all times, including “other substances with a similar chemical structure or similar biological effect(s).” "

Thanks to OP this thread should be open

1.Additional topic formerly titled Trans Man ( from post #6) has been added to this thread to encourage further discussion

Here in Aust the LGBT community has expanded to include the additional letters to show . .LGBT+QIA & amalgamated LGBTQIA

I being Intersex

A is for Asexual

Isn't testosterone considered a performance enhancer and not allowed in sports?

https://www.usada.org/spirit-of-sport/education/testosterone-boosting-supplements/

"Testosterone and any other substance listed under the Anabolic Agents section of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) Prohibited List are prohibited at all times, including “other substances with a similar chemical structure or similar biological effect(s).”

Trans men typically have less testosterone than cis men. Doctors typically give us enough testosterone to masculinize our bodies and that is it. My fwb is a cis man with literally twice my testosterone level.