Fluid bonding

A number of posts have emphasized the risks of sharing equipment. They generally say "don't do it unless you and your enemate are fluid bonded".

I'm not quite sure what the definition of fluid bonding is. Presumably a long-term couple have become bonded, and someone just met isn't. But what does it take?

One of the reasons I ask is that there are many posts about the "good old days" which mention the family enema bag. Some of these posts talk about using it with ... neighbors, visiting relatives, etc. There never seems to be much thought about whether those using it were "fluidly bonded". I'm sure the equipment was washed with soap after each use, but I doubt it was disinfected, autoclaved, or otherwise made sterile.

So what gives? Why doesn't just a good soap and water cleaning suffice today for equipment?

We have more antibiotic resistant bacteria and new viruses today that we didn't have before.

For example, a husband and wife would be fluid bonded. You would have sex without condoms or other unprotected activities because you would not expect to get an STD from your spouse, so you share fluids, BUT ONLY WITH THEM or in rare instances where you are a member of a fluid bonded group where at the outset each member is certified clean. This is extremely hard to maintain because if one person cheats on the group, the entire group must be re-tested to make sure they are clean.

You don't use barrier protection of any kind with someone you are fluid bonded with, unless of course, condoms are your sole method of contraception.

However, that doesn't mean you still can't catch something from your partner of they get sick, in the same manner as you might catch a cold from your partner.

Personally, I am not concerned about sharing enema equipment or toys with my husband or sterilizing toys. Toys that go into the urethra are a different concern. They should be sterilized for all purposes, even if you only use them on yourself.

I'm new to enemas (virgin) and you are suggesting that starting out I should have my own setup and nozzles. In health care we clean surfaces with a 10% or 50% bleach and water solution. 50% solution kills everything.

YES. You should have your own enema equipment and DON'T let the other guy use it on himself until the two of you are monogamous.

Bleach and water solutions are very good, but they don't kill everything, and they are corrosive to many metal objects.

Cleaning tubes and bags are NOT like cleaning flat open surfaces you can wipe like a table. Even dildos are easier to clean than bags, tubes and nozzles.

Susie is correct. Justs spring for your own equipment. Don't go for the expensive stuff until you are familiar with enemas and the huge range of devices available.

Don't share with anyone unless you are a monogamous couple.

1nadali, if you made it to this website. you'll have no trouble finding numerous sites where you can get good enema equipment, and it doesn't have to break the bank either.

First rule when my then-boyfriend, now husband came into my life and discovered my love of enemas: NO SHARING EQUIPMENT!! Now we do, but we make sure to wash it thoroughly in between.

I have heard of this with a small group of people. What exactly is it and how do you go about doing it? I assume it means trading bacteria but is it more than that?

I actually looked this up to make sure I was correct in my assumption.

Fluid bonding is when two partners agree to exchange bodily fluids as in not use any type of barrier method. That would mean no condoms or dental dams. It can also include not using sex toys with other partners.

Sounds like such a romantic step up in a relationship.(said dripping with sarcasm)

Go from dating to lets be exclusive to lets fluid bond. ?

I think it was said in the context of a group of 3 or 4 couples. So I guess it would be exclusive between them.

Here Switchable defines "fluid bonding" in another topic.

https://en.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;msg=493851

With four or more people you're talking "among them" rather than "between them".... :-)

@1nadali said

I'm new to enemas (virgin) and you are suggesting that starting out I should have my own setup and nozzles. In health care we clean surfaces with a 10% or 50% bleach and water solution. 50% solution kills everything.

That is absolutely WRONG.

In any concentration, bleach is a disinfectant.

You need special cold "sterilants" to "kill everything" and it typically takes 10-12 hours to do that and they have to stay submerged or stay wet.

Furthermore, DISINFECTING surfaces is not the same as sterilization and instruments used for insertion into the body are only placed on sterile surfaces--which means the disinfected [table] surfaces are then covered with a sterile drape.

Being fluid bonded means you do NOT use condoms or practice safe sex.

Being fluid bonded means you and your partner share your bodily fluids-semen, vaginal secretions, saliva, blood, urine, feces, etc.

Once you are fluid bonded, you and your partner (or possibly a VERY SMALL group) only have unprotected sex with each other. In the case of a small group (threesome or foursome, sometimes a slightly bigger group) if one member cheats and has sex outside the fluid bonded group, EVERYBODY must be tested for STDs again to make sure diseases is not passed back and forth among group members.

I think it was said in the context of a group of 3 or 4 couples. So I guess it would be exclusive between them.

@vvp39 said

With four or more people you're talking "among them" rather than "between them".... :-)

. . . . and the CORRECT answer is. . . . drumroll. . . .

with TWO you use between,

with THREE or more you use among.

. . . . and the CORRECT answer is. . . . drumroll. . . .

with TWO you use between,

with THREE or more you use among.

I stand corrected.

TL - DR

If body surfaces of any type, and fluids of any type, from 2 or more people come into contact OR ARE TOUCHED BY THE SAME SIDE OF AN OBJECT, than those individuals are conventionally considered fluid-bonded, which has STI/Fluid-Borne Illness implications. There are lots of ways to achieve this, sometimes even accidental.

Basically, if Person A uses a toy, and Person B uses that toy, they are fluid bonded - it's assumed fluid transfers with the toy. If A and B have some kinky unprotected fun....they are fluid bonded. Condoms stop fluid bonding when used correctly. Dental dams stop fluid bonding for oral when used correctly.

This is important, specifically in the prevention of STIs, and other fluid-pathway pathogens - so named because, well, they can transmit through the exchange of such fluids. For some, it's also a significant expression of trust and acceptance. Historically, for example, the consummation of a marriage (let's not debate this here, I only acknowledge its significance in history).

MORE DETAILED THOUGHTS

A fluid bond is an agreement between n partners (n>1) to share equipment/intimate contact that in some way touches significant bodily fluids.

If I cum inside of Playtime, without a non-permeable barrier in place (read: a condom) - we are fluid bonded (we are).....it's about sharing fluids across areas that fluids can pass - one, or two directionally. Anything internal can pass fluid. Injuries pass fluid. Vagina, rectum, penis, urethra, mouth, etc. Fluids are defined fairly simply.... (that being said - some exclude sweat and other EXTERNAL secretions)

The reality is that, in most cases, sharing 'kinky' equipment leads to fluid bonding. If Playtime uses a dildo, then I use it - we are fluid bonded - any surface that the two share can cause bonding.

EVEN MORE DETAILED INFO:

In the professional world, we mitigate the spread of STI/fluid borne illness through sterilization or disposability. Sterilization is a process that is rather difficult to achieve correctly as a consumer, and for which a great deal of mis-information exists...Boiling something for 5 seconds doesn't sterilize it. Washing your stuff off in a sink doesn't sterilize it.

For some, even this doesn't mitigate fluid bonding....

The reality is, even the modern medical community has decided that disposability is, at very least (more often than not), cheaper than sterilization done right. Let's say you have a hospital enema kit - it's cheaper to throw it away and make a new one than to try to sterilize (Ethylene Oxide...plus labor....isn't cheap) a used one, and unless Walmart starts selling EO Packets/pouches (or other methods of sterilizing plastic - believe me - none of which are easy), and we train the entire world on cleaning/etc.....sterilization of most material is out-of-bounds for most. Metal is somewhat the exception to this rule, since it survives significant heating, for extended periods of time, without excessive deformation.... autoclaves are a good example of this ..... but even then, that requires time, training, and proper execution.....

But even then, the value of the object being sterilized must be significant to warrant even bothering.....

That said - most of us medfet enthusiasts can't exactly simply order up from a local medical catalogue. But everything is a tradeoff - as long as everyone involved is aware of what is being traded, and what the real risks are....stay kinky.....