Legality of medfet play?

Hi everyone, just curious what legal repercussions does medfet play have? If the Police ever see your equipment or catch you in the act (both UK and US) for whatever reason, can you be arrested and/or have your equipment removed or will they go on their way? Also does it make a difference if you are a trained professional or just someone who likes to play Doctor. Also what about the "Patient"? What would happen to them? I always play patient me but am curious to know the extent of this issue 😃.

Lee.

Lee-

You've asked a very complex question, and a lot of the answer has to do with the laws of the country you are in. First of all, I'm in the US, so I can only speak to the guidelines here. I'm not a legal professional, so my answer may be different than someone elses'.

First of all, to my knowledge, it is not illegal to own medical equipment or have it in your possession. They can't toss you in jail for having, or confiscate, your favorite Collins speculum. You might get some funny looks, but who's to say that you don't have a legitimate reason for having such a thing?

The line begins to blur a bit when you get into things like bags of saline for IV use because in some places a prescription is required for that. Obviously, if you're carrying around a bunch of needles and syringes, there are jurisdictions where you would need to be able to produce a prescription.

Obviously, drugs and controlled substances are another matter completely. If you're playing with such things, one would hope that you are a qualified medical professional with the experience and skill to know how to use them.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is it's probably best if you have medical equipment not to be flashing it around at the shops in your town and not advertising to all and sundry that you have a medical fetish. Of course, I'm the girl that has a Pratt speculum as a paperweight on my desk at home (and a footlocker full of medical toys and equipment) so...

Tools and implements are one thing, people are another. You talk about being "caught in the act". Why would that happen, are you creating a scene in public, making a display of yourself, making too much noise? I'll use my partner and myself as an example; we always play at a hotel. We check in like everyone else, bring our footlocker full of equipment and our folding table in on the luggage trolley right through the front door and the lobby, just like everyone else. We are respectful to and of the other guests and the hotel staff. Although we wear scrubs when we play, we would never appear outside our room in them and we pick up and put away all our toys when we leave the room so that housekeeping can come in. We don't sneak around, we don't hide anything, and above all, we don't call attention to ourselves. To the casual observer, we are the most "vanilla" couple that was ever put on the face of the earth. Looking at us from across the room, I don't think anyone would ever guess that we weren't married and simply away from home on a trip.

If I ever played with anyone other than my partner (highly unlikely) I do have a form that I would ask them to sign before we played. It lays out the limits of the play session, the fact that the play is between two consenting adults that have mutually agreed in advance to participate in a "medical role-play". It also has a statement about photos and video. I would hope that if either of us ended up in the ER or in a law-enforcement situation (heaven forbid), that would at least help to cover us. If you'd like a copy of the release, PM me and I'll send it to you.

I hope that answers your question. If not, let me know and I'll take another run at it. Again, your mileage may vary.

Play On!

LadyDoc

LD,

It is my thought that you covered the subject well.

In Texas, one could have a problem giving another person an injection. Additionally, if you were with a play.doc or nurse, and they were getting paid for services rendered, and you received an enema, or an injection, law enforcement would frown upon the acts, saying that that person was practicing medicine, and they would look for a license...

A little further from the subject, there was a man arrested in Texas last year, practicing without a license. He liked med.fet and had actually set up a clinic; I don’t believe that he was charging for his services, but his patients thought he was a licensed practitioner... Needless to say, when law enforcement went in and arrested him, he went without a fight all the way to the State Pen...

Your statement, "Basically, what I'm trying to say is it's probably best if you have medical equipment not to be flashing it around at the shops in your town and not advertising to all and sundry that you have a medical fetish", is good advice. Keep a low profile, don't rush into play with anybody, get to know your prospective partner, and a written agreement that outlines that two adults have agreed to role-play a medical scene/experience, is good advice.

And, it would be kind of LadyDoc if she shared her "medical role-play" document with all of us, to further expand our thinking on this most important subject that she has brought to the forefront.

Thank you LadyDoc!

Now ~ go out and make it a gr8 weekend!

Okay, Hermann, but only because you asked. Here it is, my medplay release form. Again, I'm not an attorney, nor do I play one. This is just something that I put together from several different release forms that are valid in my state. Each party should have a copy of the agreement, and a new one should be executed each time you play. You can change it to suit your needs, and again, your mileage may vary.

Medplay Release Form

We, (insert your name here) of (Town, County, and State), and (insert partner’s name here) of (Town, County, and State), hereby declare that we are meeting together between (date) and (date), in (location) and may meet again at future times, for the purpose of enacting role play between us as “doctor” and “patient”. This role play involves no actual medical practice and no diagnosis or treatment will be offered by either of us. Anything that takes place between us is for our mutual enjoyment and for no other purpose.

Specifically:

* Injections limited to intramuscular and subcutaneous with “neutral” substances such as sterile water for injection or sterile saline solution. Quantity to be injected not to exceed 3cc per individual injection unless otherwise specified. No intravenous injections or access will be performed.

* Photography or video recordings or audio recordings are for the mutual pleasure of the parties involved and will not be distributed to any outside agents at any time without the written consent of both parties.

We further declare that we are both of the full age of majority in the jurisdiction in which we respectively reside and fully consent to whatever takes place between us. Should either of us object to any part or proposed part of our role play, we undertake to discontinue it immediately. Further should the use of a “safe word” be invoked by either party, role play will cease immediately.

Signed at (location), on this _________ day of ___________________, 2010.

_______________________________

_______________________________

I want to reiterate what Hermann said because it's very important and I should have put it in my post. Keeping a low profile is vital because you certainly don't want to run into the hornet's nest of "practicing without a license". That's why I don't wear my scrubs when my partner and I play together, even to run out to the lobby for a cup of coffee or to get ice. Imagine if a guest or staff member were to have an accident or illness, everyone would be looking to you as the "qualified individual" to help out. This could prove embarassing.

Never join in a play exam with two other parties, when the third party is unaware of what is about to happen, or has been led to believe that you are a physician or other HCP. This almost happened with a dear friend of mine who was asked by the husband of a woman to examine her without her being aware that he was a playdoc and not the real thing. What a disaster that could have been. Use your head when playing with someone you don't know. If it sounds fishy, it is!

Other than that, Play On!

LadyDoc

Thanks for the advice and for posting the release that you use

Some time has passed since LadyDoc's original posts, and my thinking has matured on the subject of med.play...

It is my thought that in Texas, and probably in many if not most states, that if a non-family third party is giving even a B-12 or a sterile water injection to another person, whether in the buttocks or otherwise, that law enforcement would look to discern if that party had a medical certificate of some sort, that gave them legal right to perform such a function. And, too, it is my suspicion that giving an enema to another person, not family, might also require a license in the medical practicing arts...

From a practical standpoint, it is likely that I will be meeting with a new play friend in the not too distant future. If she brings her own unopened injectables, B-12 or some other 'safe' liquid injectable(s) to pass through a syringe, attached to a needle located in the tissue of her buttocks, she will get an injection, or two ~ three (???). And, it goes without saying that this young woman will find herself with an enema bag filled with warm water attached to an IV stand, and the nozzle nestled in her rectum, having passed through her anus without incident, as she lays on the exam table. Other medical 'things' of import will happen; RTs are very attractive, as is all of the female anatomy. Have you ever gazed upon a live cervix with all of the surrounding tissue in living color??? 😜

I agree with LadyDoc that there should be a written and executed agreement with a play.partner that stipulates that both parties are individuals of legal age, and the intimacies about to be shared are apart of their mutual interest in an alt.sexuality practice, that none of the play constitutes medical activities in their own minds, and that they are sharing the experience of their own free will. Now keep in mind that if the patient has any type of a bad reaction that requires a visit to an emergency room or worse, that I would have to think that the Emergency Room personnel might be obligated under the law, to report the incident to the proper authorities, and name names. Should a patient die, a charge of involuntary man-slaughter might be appropriate... In Texas, such decisions are made by District Attorneys who prosecute on behalf of the State, or the matter could be referred to a Grand Jury (of our peers) to determine potential legal culpability.

It is my belief that the Written Agreement does not necessarily put the parties (us) in a place wherein they (we) are acting legally and in accordance with state statutes. However, it does give 'standing' to either party if something unforseen went wrong. And make no mistake about it, something could go wrong; Murphy might be just around the corner keeping an eye on your play time, and wanting to become an active participant. For instance ~ I am a male in the youth of my senior years, what used to be called 'the heart attack prone years' (probably still are). What if my friend were to give me an enema that strained my system and caused a severe cramp, and I experienced an infarct, or went into a cardiac arrest? Tis not likely, as I work out in the gym daily, and am in reasonably good shape; but, please know that I am by no means an Arnold... BUTT ~ it would be a real challenge for her to deal with, if it happened. My prayer for her would be that she called EMS real quick, and got out of my home ASAP, leaving the front door unlocked and a note so the medical technicians would know what happened. Now, if it takes her 5 minutes or longer for her to call the EMS, after she packed up and gets her stuff out of the home, including her finger prints, I may be in deep shit in more ways than one... ???

None of us are here to hurt anybody (period)! Sadly, we are playing in an area wherein there could be an unforeseen problem. It's is incumbent upon the parties to consider these options b4 play begins, and to have an exit/escape plan if they agree that one is necessary. I would not want my woman friend to have a problem if something untoward happened to me, if she was tending to me for my pleasure. She has children and a full life, and needs no more challenges. And, likewise, I would not want to be caught up in front page headline ~ Pervert Gave Enema to Playmate, and She Died!!! That would cost me my personal life... However, too, I don't think that I could ever abandon a play partner at any time.

As part of my routine before meeting a prospective play partner, I also developed a rather lengthy Pre-Physical Sreening Application (A Medical History) wherein a prospective patient discloses all known medical conditions, just as any of us would do prior to becoming a patient of a new physician. Part of it is for the med.fet play realism; however, too, the other side of the coin is that it alerts me to any major medical issues of my prospective patient. If she has medical issues that causes me uncertainty, I may not play. And, this document, too, states that the patient is filling out this form with the intent to 'play' in, and enjoy an alt.sexuality practice known as medical fetish play between two consenting adults.

Anything can happen in life. Please do not ever think that what we do has no risks. One friend plays with her significant other whenever they get the chance; quite often she is the medical practitioner. He loves enemas and surrendering to the medical experience. Sadly, he underwent emergency by-pass surgery recently, and unknown medical condition that was in process until it evidenced itself and he went in for an evaluation. What would, or could have happened while they were playing is obviously an unknown. Butt, it could have happened; it could have been serious, and had consequences!!!

My new prospective partner and I will likely meet & play sometime in the not to distant future. LadyDoc's form is good, and may cover all of the bases; I have to think on it, but will not be sending it to my bro, the attorney in the family, for his review ~ 😉 Like each of us, I will take my chances as I move forward again, to enjoy this alternative.sexuality interest that drives my medical fetish interest and fantasies. It's expected that all will come out OK in the end, in more ways than one...

Now ~ go out and make it a gr8 Day!

And, btw, it's 62 degrees in Dallas this morning at 10:58 a.m., with an expected high of 72. I'm going to see a RoughRider baseball game in Frisco TX this afternoon, and it is hoped that all of you are enjoying this most unique weather pattern for the middle of spring, and have the opportunity to enjoy yourselves outdoors.

For those of you in the South, my prayers are with you as you face uncertainty with the flooding that is moving across so many states today. Be safe; take precautions and listen to your local authorities. For those of you who have already experienced the flooding of the past 3 weeks, you are in my prayers, and it is my hope that normalcy returns as soon as practical.

And, for my friend LadyDoc, I wish her nothing short of gr8 medical results as she deals with the real medical challenges in her life.

From Plano, Tx, on the 75 just north of Dallas, Richardson, and on the way to the Red River, I am

Kindly yours,

Hermann

This is a great discussion, thanks to Hermann and LadyDoc for sharing thought provoking considerations and experiences.

Interesting topic...though my take is probably a bit different from most. I'm in the US so speaking to that effect.

As far as medical devices, these are controlled by the FDA. Items are classified in terms basically on how they could impact the health or life of a person. The regulations are geared toward import export and marketing and sale of those devices. You can possess any item unless it's specifically regulated. You can purchase any item you wish as long as you can meet the regulation requirements. The FDA has a searchable database to find facts on any medical device

Here is an example..."generally speaking" ... exam gloves and speculums are class 1 devices, it's none of anyone's concern that you have them. You can simply make an online or in person purchase for the most part. On the flip side .. a cpap machine for sleep apnea is a class 2 .. you can buy it online but it requires a prescription for purchase...and then class 3 items would include devices such as pacemakers .... not going to be in the discount list with super saver shipping from jojo's medical supply site.

On the topic of playing doctor - it ain't the same as "practicing without a license". The rules and definitions around that are found in each states legislative code. The stories about getting arrested and imprisoned involve breaking the law....not playing in private. For instance..I'll use Ohio as example....I am in violation of law if I use the term or label Dr, MD, etc ....or similar in conjunction with my name...if I advertise professional medical services ...if I take compensation for examinations...or for treatment of any kind...or if I use any titles...words...etc to try to convince someone that I am engaged in the practice of medicine....then...I am guilty of violating the law.

I agree with being careful...looking up the law in the state you are playing in...etc. But even as crazy as our legal system gets, you can't be arrested or convicted for "playing" doctor. If I choose to use a speculum it's no different than using a vibrator..a dildo...a stalk of celery....there are no dildo police...and there are no speculum police.

Now if you are doing something unsafe...or playing with a nutjob...that's an issue. But not because it's medical play....it's just plain an issue. With all due respect to other members posts...it does not matter if you harm someone with a medical device or a kitchen utensil...if you dilate the cervix and puncture the uterine wall...the implement you used to cause said harm is irrelevant.

And if a play patient accuses you of impersonating a licensed medical professional....I double dog guarantee that same person would accuse you of rape , molestation, whatever...if you were just getting together for a roll in the hay instead of an exam.

Interesting line of discussion...

Lol I totally forgot about this thread, was just scrolling through the forum and thought "hang on a minute, that's mine". Interesting replies and definitely given me food for thought, thanks everyone 😃.

Lee.

This thread is quite intriguing, especially since I've also had the same questions floating in my head. It also sounds so complicated, like I'll have to hire a lawyer if I ever wish to engage in some form of play lol