Will Medfet die out over time as societal norms change?

Just putting my thoughts in writing here. This post started as an answer to a question posted elsewhere about the thoroughness of real medical exams (not play ones). But it got pretty long, and I didn't want to hijack the thread. I'm really curious what others think about this. I think some may disagree or feel my take is sort of twisted. I don't know...

So it seems to be a general consensus that real exams are not as comprehensive as they once were. Many people have mentioned how their exams used to be much more thorough. Certain things (things that undoubtedly caused some of our fetishes here) are not recommended as young, or as often, or even at all, anymore. Now there's a combination of no time allotted for thoroughness at most corporate or state-sponsored clinics, as well as fear of lawsuits and accusations, the me-too movement, etc.

I'm of mixed feelings on this. On the one hand, consent and trust are important in both sexual and medical situations. Obviously people don't want to be raped at the doctor's office. On the other hand, if I've gone to the office, taken off my clothes, willingly laid down on the table with my legs spread, I think the consent to be thoroughly examined is inherent at that point. Now that's talking from a purely medical standpoint - I'm paying for a service and I'd like to know it has been done right with nothing left undone. But from a medfet standpoint - I may or may not be embarrassed or thrilled with it at the time, but I know it has the potential to fuel later fantasies, and of course there's always that little voice in my head going, "please just go a little further", even though that doesn't happen, and I'd be surprised if it did.

Most of us are on this forum because at some point in our lives we've had a medical experience (or more) that have caused us to fantasize in a sexual way. I, personally don't regard that as a bad thing; I enjoy it! I'm no psychologist, but I don't see the problem with sexual fantasies and fetishes - at least not the ones that are used for one's own enjoyment, and not to the detriment of others. If those experiences hadn't happened (even if they were meant to be perfectly professional and innocent), we wouldn't have the fantasies and fetishes we have.

It would be a shame to deprive future people of the pleasure we take in it, because society has become so fear-laden and rushed. Yet, that is what seems to be happening. I suppose it will simply make way for other fantasies and fetishes in the future though.

Anyway, be interested in your take...

Some interesting points of view.

To answer the headline question: I don’t think (I hope not) med fet will die out. After all, it is what makes us individuals.

Thank you for this, @Phoenix18, I've had the same thoughts myself. I agree 100% with both your point of view on medical examinations as fantasy fuel, and the likelihood that because of the change in the way medical exams are done these days that medical fetishism will probably diminish or morph into something most of us would not recognize (or be stimulated by, either.) I too hope it will not die out (at least not before I do!) as I have experienced DECADES of sexual pleasure from my medfet experiences and the fantasies they have engendered. It will not surprise me, though, to see it go--I mean, just look at the way the world has changed in just the last 25 years...it's not a world I recognize and not one I care much for. On the other hand, 25 years ago Zity Biz did not exist either...at least we can talk about and share our proclivities/perspectives in a relatively safe space. Great topic for discussion!

There was also a dichotomy between how we were raised and what happened at the doctor's office. We were taught to be ashamed of nudity and nakedness was something to be kept private. Yet we were stripped naked in front of family members while the doctor touched our most intimate parts. If we protested, we were chastised for being silly and immature. It was quite the mixed message. I think the feeling that this was somehow dirty and taboo made the whole experience more exciting.

It would be a shame to deprive future people of the pleasure we take in it, because society has become so fear-laden and rushed. Yet, that is what seems to be happening.

You are most certainly, but sadly, right about that. Society has become laced through and through with fears and disapproval of so many things of a sexual nature.

Last Saturday there was the yearly Gay Pride in my city and as usual I took lots of fun and colorful photos. I posted some on a Facebook group concerning the many different aspects of my city. But the comments became so hateful I had to shut it down. I've not yet experienced anything similar in previous years. Even a few good friends commented that it's all good and well the Gay thing, but were parades really necessary?

So, just saying that I can see indications all over how society is becoming more prudish and disapproving of things sexual.

@agracier that is indeed a sad indictment of society.

But, are we confusing the overtly sexual with med fet? I doubt there was a med fet section in the parade. I feel the future of people enjoying med fet (or others) is linked to the safe and enjoyable use of forums such as this.

I don't think medfet will go away as long as people are still receiving the types of medical exams that many here found formative to their medical kinks. Even with more fear of lawsuits, those exams haven't gone away. Adolescents still undergo genital exams. Women still have gyno appointments. I don't think the proliferation of kink fully responds to how permissive or repressive society is.

I wonder sometimes whether particular details will change to reflect updated medical standards. For example, I have a strong kink for latex gloves because they were ubiquitous when I was a child. Will the upcoming generation of medical fetishists prefer nitrile gloves? Or, to give another example, bag enemas are not nearly as common now as they were for an older generation. Are there correspondingly fewer enema fetishists? Some of these things will still find people because they've become a part of the kink world.

Just two points I'd like to add on this topic, which is a good one. Thanks, @Phoenix18, for raising it. First, with respect to the suggestion that doctors ought to be giving patients what we expect and paid for with respect to physical exams (I apologize if I misunderstood your point), the thing that physicians owe patients is care in accord with the standard of care. Nothing more or less. Second, I cannot imagine medfet dying out. I say that because it is, in my opinion and experience, part of human sexuality and NOTHING goes deeper than that. I admit those of us with kinks that fit under this rubric are but a tiny minority of humanity. But speaking for myself, no aspect of my personality and sexuality goes deeper into my core than this one. That's just not going to vanish in my opinion.

Society has become laced through and through with fears and disapproval of so many things of a sexual nature.

@agracier Maybe people are becoming more conservative in their public persona but more kinky in their private lives. I have met so many people who are into various kinks and fetishes. These people have no problem telling you what they enjoy sexually. I think that's a good thing when people can express what they like and are willing to try new things. Maybe people have to publicly behave a certain way to avoid backlash, since so much of what we do is public record.

I have been thinking medfet will eventually die out the way today's exams are conducted. had they always been conducted this way, what medfet would there have been for many of us ?

Just like jockstraps in gym class on the required school supplies list, and inspections to see if the students were wearing them have died out. Same as communal showers in schools.

And like several other things that have died out or slowly dying out over time, like tape decks in cars, now even CD players in cars. And i'm sure people could think of more things that are no longer what they were. Like hanging out in shopping malls and perusing through all the stores that have closed down.

I don't think medfet, which is one form of human sexual desire, will die out. It may change somwhat but all parts of the human body will be seen and examined in private forever. Maybe it dies out as people age, I don't know. I hope not!

Instead of "exams are much less thorough", I'd say. "Less thorough" would imply some issues are missed that would not have been missed.

1) Exams are less gratuitously intrusive. It used to be the case, for instance, that women who wanted to go on the contraceptive pill had to do a full pelvic whereas this has no relationship to the action of the contraceptive.

2) If an exam is intrusive, more precautions are taken to preserve dignity. It used to be the case in certain countries that gynecologists examined women fully naked, now one would do "above the waist" and "below the waist" separately or use gowns.

3) Exams are better explained, including to children. When I was a child I got two digital rectal exams without a word of clear warning I'd get a finger inside my behind. I don't think they'd do it this way now.

4) Unpleasant procedures are made less painful or embarrassing. For instance, it used to be the case that physicians, nurses or parents would try to force the foreskin back, which can be very painful if it resists. Now they task the boy to do it with a special ointment. Not only does the ointment make it easier, it's also better to dose one's own pain instead of having another person.

5) Coarse, invasive, painful or unpleasant procedures are replaced by more "hi tech" and easier procedures. One uses a quick infrared scanner to measure fever instead of 3+ minutes of rectal thermometer. A digital rectal exam "press on it and check if it hurts" for appendicitis diagnosis is replaced by a scanner.

Of course, fetish about some specific acts slowly dies out as they are phased out of regular practice (enemas, rectal temperatures).

So yes I think many individual aspects of medical fetishism will die out. However the general fascination, excitement and embarrassment about exams will not.

But, are we confusing the overtly sexual with med fet? I doubt there was a med fet section in the parade. I feel the future of people enjoying med fet (or others) is linked to the safe and enjoyable use of forums such as this.

Of course there wasn't a medfet section in the parade.

My point was however that if Gay Pride parades become objects of social disapproval, then what is next?

I think they call them wellness exams now. They really aren't much different than the vitals they take before you go in the room, so why bother. I'm sure they bill the insurance for a full physical.

@GraceT , I can assure you that interest in kinks, medfet in my case, does not die out or even diminish as one ages. It's there, strong as ever.

No. The kink will still be there. Kinky people will learn about older medical procedures and be excited by them.

Kinky people will learn about older medical procedures and be excited by them.

That is a nice thought, but in real life people know so little about history and the past.

I feel a “get off my lawn” post coming on.

20 years ago in order to get birth control pills every girl had to go in to an invasive embarrassing exam. You were essentially stripped, fondled, cranked open and then fingered. If you were really unlucky you then found out what it feels like when someone shoves a finger in your ass.

Most hated it, some were indifferent and then there were those like me that loved it.

No one had any concern for modesty. No one cared what my feelings were. Mom took me there and I was expected to comply. I have no doubt the emotions I experienced along with the hormones racing through my body created the monster here today.

Now you can get birth control over the counter. They no longer recommend Pap smears until you are 21. By that point it’s not nearly as shocking. You rarely get naked. There is concern for your modesty.

I figure because of these changes less people wind up here. But what do I know? These are just lazy fears and assumptions.

if Gay Pride parades become objects of social disapproval, then what is next?

I think that it's difficult to compare gay pride to medical fetishism because the latter doesn't care as much about social approval. To be "out" is to be publicly gay. Living your life as a normal person requires social approval. Most of us aren't "out" as medical fetishists in the same way, even if we're open about our desires to intimate partners and close friends. If society becomes less tolerant of non-normative sexual desires, that might have an affect on how easily or readily people explore kinks, but I don't think that it will get rid of them altogether.

Most of us aren't "out" as medical fetishists in the same way, even if we're open about our desires to intimate partners and close friends. If society becomes less tolerant of non-normative sexual desires, that might have an affect on how easily or readily people explore kinks, but I don't think that it will get rid of them altogether.

You're right about the openness part. Medfets don't come out of the closet.

But i still found the growing disapproval of gays troubling in that it indicates a growing aversion to be accepting about sexual matters in general. Many accounts tell about how much guilt many members here suffered before meeting others and realizing how not weird medfet is. But this becomes harder the more social disapproval there is, people will be become fearful again, like when there were all kinds of laws governing sexual conduct.

Imagine medical fantasies being categorized as an unnatural sexual activity that can get one in trouble? Inconceivable? Think of the times when showing images/photos with pubic hair was enough to get into serious trouble.

If and/or if enough people become afraid of acknowledging their medfet, then there will be a chance it might virtually die out, even in such limited circles as ours.

If not for zity and a few now defunct sites, I would not know where to ever hold a conversation on the subject.

I think things will change. Being particularly interested in the anesthesia fetish, it’s been obvious how the specific items, procedures, and touchstones of the fetish have shifted as technology and medical norms have changed. There’s no reason other medical fetishes would be different.

I don’t think there’s some cultural shift away from kink in general. You can see BDSM gear on the subway and in all sorts of mainstream media these days. And it’s not like sexy nurses was a super niche transgressive thing, ever.

Openness isn’t what concerns me. It’s people not having the experiences that lead to the fetish.

Seriously, everyone has different things they get off on. And in the grand scheme playing Dr doesn’t move the needle that far.

You rarely get naked. There is concern for your modesty.

I figure because of these changes less people wind up here.

I tend to agree

No one had any concern for modesty. No one cared what my feelings were. Mom took me there and I was expected to comply. I have no doubt the emotions I experienced along with the hormones racing through my body created the monster here today.

@Amanda_O The same thing happened to me during my physical exams at the pediatrician. You were expected to get naked with your mother and sister in the room. You were chastised for being immature and childish if you protested. The doctor felt you all over, especially your genitals. The doctor always seemed to spend a long time examining your genitals. I would get hard as the doctor examined my genitals and my mother and sister watched. My sister would be examined with me in the room. It was weird because I was well aware of my medical fetish but it was my sister being examined. The fact that it was taboo and female exams were a fantasy of mine made it arousing. I don't know if I would be here if I hadn't experienced these extremely embarrassing exams.

I feel like medfet will never die out, because humans will go to the doctor probably until we are extinct. Even if the doctor is a robot. But exams will change throughout the years as they always have. I'm not sure when medfetishism started, but it had to be a while ago. So we can assume that whatever medical equipment was used during that day is quite different than today's such equipment. And the array of procedures we have are also different. So, people will continue growing into their sexual selves, and some such people will be medfetishists. They'll just prize different aspects of it than you or me. The details of medfet will be different, and may evolve into something unrecognizable for us.

My medfet is protective masks. Since COVID hit, people have been trying to make masks look more "palatable", I guess. Less embarrassing to wear. And frankly, that's been a mixed bag for me. People draw on their masks, which makes them look sloppy (like puff paint t-shirts) and silly, in my mind. I like masks that aren't worn to be fashionable. I love a good double-banded N95 or an elastomeric half mask on a girl. Or a white fabric tie-on, like what used to be on M*A*S*H*. And pair that with a girl's normal clothes or pajamas.

But people will still bling their masks as they choose, and mask sellers will make masks in a zillion different colors. Fashion over fit, I guess. This is the future. But it doesn't kill medfet forme. I just need to be more patient in finding medfet mask pics I like.

It's a bit late. Maybe I'll have more tomorrow.

I have never felt embarrassed during an exam as a child or teen. And I come from the generation where antibiotics were given via Suppository.

Yet my medfet interest only started once I started reading this site and interacting with members here.

Things only die out when people are no longer interested in them, and i couldnt see that happening with medfet,i bet a good few of us when we go to see our doctor,sit in the waiting room thinking i wished the examination would further than it should,and get very intimate.

Hi, this topic is very interesting because it opens over the very numerous sorts of medfet.

As some of you, my medfet belongs to the old style examination in underwear that we used to undergo when I was a child in the 1980s. I live in France so that it was common to be examined in underwear, spending about 30 mn on the exam table, my mother looking at me being palpated, having my genitals and groin checked and so on. @sensei1980 your testimony speaks very well to me. We lived almost the same and I also masturbated after the exam once back home thinking about what the doctor did to me.

Now, in France, going to the doctor means spending 10 mn in the office, talking, taking blood pressure and that's it. Except for more thorough specific exams, you rarely have to undress to underwear.

As the procedures are evolving, fetish will also evolve. For those who never knew the old style exam in panties, there is no clear reason for them to have such a fetish. The fetish of covid mask is really interesting. Myself, I fantasized a lot on girl with covid mask, googling images like 'nude girl covid'...

@Secret_sub I think my anal fixation due to suppositories and rectal temperatures would not have gained a tint of medical fetishism if I had not been submitted to a surprise digital rectal exam. Nothing like a female finger inserted deep and without clear warning into a young male's behind to give him certain urges.

One question I have is whether exams being less complete (i.e. - not stripping to my underwear) are a function of moving on from a pediatrician to an internist or whether exams changed from the 80s/90s to today even at the pediatrician…..